Warship Appreciation Thread

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So just watched Midway (the new one) and it was...ok, I guess.

The acting was great, but they tried to condense far too much into one film. Also, I know enough about ships types and what they looked like to cringe at a lot of the background shots which were full on inaccuracies.

The big ones I noticed:
1) Fubuki/Shiratsuyu-family DDs with a torp launchers on the front instead of a turret in a few scenes
2) The Nautilus crew calling out a 'Jintsuu' type cruiser, instead of a Sendai-class
3) 5+ Yamato-class on screen at once, when none of them were in the carrier force
4) Mixing up the Arizona and the Oklahoma when they did the Pearl Harbor scene (they made it look like the Arizona rolled like the Oklahoma did)
5) Either a Nagato-class or Kongou-class at the Marshall Islands attack (I don't think any of the IJN BBs were present there during the attack)
6) Fairly sure Best's last attack was a relatively normal dive bombing run, not the near-kamikaze run shown in the film.
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7) Completely skipped the the air attack by Midway's B-17s

Edit 2: Also, was hilarious seeing the guy who played Rodney McKay on SGA in the film; haven't seen him in anything for years.
 
Harlock

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Yeah the 25mm was absolutely terrible, worst AAA of the war due to terrible manufacturing. Probably saved a lot of allied lives.

The flak would be I guess a bit more accurate for the USN, most navies didn't use a lot of tracers, only like one round in ten or something, but US gunners used tracers everywhere. Apparently it had a real psychological impact on any poor bastard who had to fly into it
 
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Harlock said:
Yeah the 25mm was absolutely terrible, worst AAA of the war due to terrible manufacturing. Probably saved a lot of allied lives.

The flak would be I guess a bit more accurate for the USN, most navies didn't use a lot of tracers, only like one round in ten or something, but US gunners used tracers everywhere. Apparently it had a real psychological impact on any poor bastard who had to fly into it
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Plus japanese planes were almost infamous in how easily did they burn, so additional tracers were slighty more dangerous than conventional ammo.

And the 25mm was bad not only due to lack of proper quality control, but also due to its poorly designed magazines that slowed down the effective rate of fire to almost the same RoF of a much larger 40mm Bofors, the inadequacies of the Type 96 mount which for an AA weapon was slow to traverse and elevate and the basic limitations of the 25mm against fast, well armored planes.
 
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Kool you from SC too. I live in Santee. Spartan lives in Lexington. Where do you live.
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Alpharetta, Georgia is where I reside so alas any Museum ship is a bit of a trip to go to and going to college and working to pay for it pretty much has pretty much removed my ability to do such treks for at least the next couple years, although three years ago I was able to get to go quite a few naval museums/museum ships on a family trip to New England(basically I got to go to see the Salem,the Nautilus,Battleship Cove, and the Constitution and the Cassin Young)
 
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The German U-Boats and the U-Boat service in general.

When your service has a 75% loss rate (basically outdoing pretty much every other service in the entire war) for the entire Second World War and forced your opponents to literally rework their doctrine and tech to simply try to stop you... all the while doing it in a tiny tin can that can't be considered a ship...
 
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Especially the sailors who survived the sinking of their ship and went on to serve on another. I think about quarter of British Merchant Marine sailors perished. And there is also a certain psychological factor, while German submariners trained together and drank together, their deaths were unseen, impersonal. Rudi didn't return from the last patrol, has a different feeling than seing him blown up.

Merchant mariners on the other hand could see other ships go down, men being left behind in the night in the hope that escorts won't miss them, tanker crew burning alive, men vanishing under raging waves of the North Atlantic almost at the reach of their rescuers... Thus in many ways the psychological toll was even worse for merchant sailors in the first half of the war.
 
BF110C4

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PsihoKekec said:
Especially the sailors who survived the sinking of their ship and went on to serve on another. I think about quarter of British Merchant Marine sailors perished. And there is also a certain psychological factor, while German submariners trained together and drank together, their deaths were unseen, impersonal. Rudi didn't return from the last patrol, has a different feeling than seing him blown up.

Merchant mariners on the other hand could see other ships go down, men being left behind in the night in the hope that escorts won't miss them, tanker crew burning alive, men vanishing under raging waves of the North Atlantic almost at the reach of their rescuers... Thus in many ways the psychological toll was even worse for merchant sailors in the first half of the war.
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And that's from the sumarine warfare alone, the merchant sailors had additional worries as well, there was always the threat of enemy aviation, which in the Atlantic took the form of the lonely Fw-200 Condors who would report any sight of allied shipping before doing low altittude attacks with their bomb load, while the Mediterranean would see entire squadrons of dive bombers focusing on any convoy unlucky enough to be detected. And even when reaching port they could relax from the shadow of death, mining the approaches by submarine or with aerial mines was standard and while there were constant efforts to clear the local waters as well as some brilliant countermeasures such as degaussing there was the occasional miss that would blow up a ship within visual range of a safe haven.

And in some ways the war at sea was even worse for their escorts. They had to see all that but it was their duty not to stop to rescue survivors since the last time someone has done that in the middle of an attack during the previous, slighty more civilized, war it had ended with three ships and hundreds of additional casualties down, in some extreme cases the corvettes were forced to launch deep charges in the middle of the chaos, increasing the number of deaths.
 
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Sailor.X

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Harlock said:
Those 75% losses were about 30,000 people in real numbers, as opposed to over 70,000 Allied losses over that same period, half of those civilian sailors.
They had nerve, but I'd say the guys running the convoys had more.
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PsihoKekec said:
Especially the sailors who survived the sinking of their ship and went on to serve on another. I think about quarter of British Merchant Marine sailors perished. And there is also a certain psychological factor, while German submariners trained together and drank together, their deaths were unseen, impersonal. Rudi didn't return from the last patrol, has a different feeling than seing him blown up.

Merchant mariners on the other hand could see other ships go down, men being left behind in the night in the hope that escorts won't miss them, tanker crew burning alive, men vanishing under raging waves of the North Atlantic almost at the reach of their rescuers... Thus in many ways the psychological toll was even worse for merchant sailors in the first half of the war.
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And that's from the sumarine warfare alone, the merchant sailors had additional worries as well, there was always the threat of enemy aviation, which in the Atlantic took the form of the lonely Fw-200 Condors who would report any sight of allied shipping before doing low altittude attacks with their bomb load, while the Mediterranean would see entire squadrons of dive bombers focusing on any convoy unlucky enough to be detected. And even when reaching port they could relax from the shadow of death, mining the approaches by submarine or with aerial mines was standard and while there were constant efforts to clear the local waters as well as some brilliant countermeasures such as degaussing there was the occasional miss that would blow up a ship within visual range of a safe haven.

And in some ways the war at sea was even worse for their escorts. They had to see all that but it was their duty not to stop to rescue survivors since the last time someone has done that in the middle of an attack during the previous, slighty more civilized, war it had ended with three ships and hundreds of additional casualties down, in some extreme cases the corvettes were forced to launch deep charges in the middle of the chaos, increasing the number of deaths.
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It is one of the reasons after the war the US Navy invested so much in at Sea Survival training in Boot Camp and more intensive training after Boot Camp for certain rates. If you are an Engineman and you got sent to a Boat Unit like me. You really learn at sea survival to the point you could do it in your sleep.
 
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