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Battlegrinder

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Is there a reason to why most chapters go with ballistic weaponry over other forms of weaponry?

Like why aren't more chapters using plasma weapons, laser weapons or meltas? Most chapters rely on bolters and heavy bolters and so on.

While Marduk's is the technically correct one, I think the more accurate answer is somewhere in the realm of game balance. Sure, plasma weapons are complicated and hard to build in universe, but you'd think after 10,000 years a couple chapters would have been able to stockpile enough of them they could hand them out to everyone (maybe not all the time, but they could have some kind of Oprah protocol for emergencies: "You get a plasma gun and you get a plasma gun and you you get a plasma gun! Plasma guns for everyone!").

As far as lasers go, only hellguns can approach bolters in power lorewise, and they still lose out and are, IIRC, actually less reliable and more maintenance intensive than bolters.


Laser weapons do not need ammunition as they generate their ''projectile'' so it'd make logistics a lot easier as laser only requires power source. Meanwhile with bolters you need power source for bolter (as I've read that they have internal targeting systems and so on...) plus ammo.

Marines, generally speaking, tend to stick to short high intensity conflict where they can make a decisive win before logistics become a factor. And aside from that, lasers being logistically easier comes at a massive tradeoff in firepower. Lasguns might be easy to keep loaded in the long run, but they just can't compare to bolters when it comes to per shot lethality, which the marines need far more than they do easy resupply.

How about using lower quality plasma? How would that go? Certainly not packing that much punch as they could, but the wider availability across the chapters would be the payoff for this tradeoff.

I would assume they don't find the tradeoff worthwhile. We know the guard has plenty of power and plasma weapons, enough that if they were given to marines instead they could have them for most of a chapter, but I presume that the quality and reliability of those weapons is sufficient poor that the marines don't feel it's worthwhile (or it's not possible to swap thing around like that. Perhap in the process of making a guard quality power sword strong enough to handle being swung around by a marine, the added cost of making a more rugged sword means it's no longer feasible to build them in the same numbers).
 

Tyzuris

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Alsl is there any mentions on how much ammo a single Astartes carries to battle?
 

Tyzuris

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I've read about half of Horus Rising now and already hooked on the series and bought the next two books already. I think I'm going to read about 10 HH books and then start branching to 40k era books.
 

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With the most recent BL book, the authors and GeeDubs have fragged the lore once again, but also provided a handy explanation why the Emperor himself seems to have an antipathy for women, space marines or not.
The book introduced a female perptual named Erdna*. She was the other donor for the Primarchs, and contributed to their creation. Sounds unnecessary, but okay.

HÖWEVÜR it is revealed the Emperor and other perpeptuals disagreed with his plan of jumpstarting Humanity's evolution to psykers. They all left, and the Emperor surprisingly didn't smash them down or anything, he accepted their choice, and that was that. Enter Erdna.

Erdna also disagreed with the Emperor's idea, but rather than just leave she decides "Oh no, mah babies will be under his sway, nevermind that he's more qualified to be a parent to them than I, with my ovaries, will ever be!" Thus she, yes, SHE scatters the primarchs across the galaxy. SHE was the one point from which the Horus Heresy started. SHE is responsible for Lorgar becoming corrupted to begin with. She... FUCKED EVERYTHING UP!

And now, after yet another lore-rape, back to your dudes.

*Her name is an ancient german word for Earth, so Mother Earth connections, I guess? Thanks for demonstrating how Germans will fuck everything up, even in the far future, Geedubs.
 
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Tyzuris

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At which size does a plasma weapon in 40k lore wise become dangerous to a tank? Would a normal sized plasma rifle take out a tank?
 

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At which size does a plasma weapon in 40k lore wise become dangerous to a tank? Would a normal sized plasma rifle take out a tank?

IIRC any plasma weapon can knock out a tank if it hits the right spot, even a pistol. But the odds of doing so are fairly poor, if you want to have a reasonable chance of knocking out a tank, I think a plasma cannon is the lightest gun you can expect to do that reliably.
 

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When Naval Historians celebrate April 1st...



The real April Fools Joke is that the video actually managed to be close to five minutes in length instead of the better part of an hour (sadly).
 

Zachowon

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The new box, Space wolves vs Orkz, has the leader of the space wolves with a bunch of primaris marines
 

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With the most recent BL book, the authors and GeeDubs have fragged the lore once again, but also provided a handy explanation why the Emperor himself seems to have an antipathy for women, space marines or not.
The book introduced a female perptual named Erdna*. She was the other donor for the Primarchs, and contributed to their creation. Sounds unnecessary, but okay.

HÖWEVÜR it is revealed the Emperor and other perpeptuals disagreed with his plan of jumpstarting Humanity's evolution to psykers. They all left, and the Emperor surprisingly didn't smash them down or anything, he accepted their choice, and that was that. Enter Erdna.

Erdna also disagreed with the Emperor's idea, but rather than just leave she decides "Oh no, mah babies will be under his sway, nevermind that he's more qualified to be a parent to them than I, with my ovaries, will ever be!" Thus she, yes, SHE scatters the primarchs across the galaxy. SHE was the one point from which the Horus Heresy started. SHE is responsible for Lorgar becoming corrupted to begin with. She... FUCKED EVERYTHING UP!

And now, after yet another lore-rape, back to your dudes.

*Her name is an ancient german word for Earth, so Mother Earth connections, I guess? Thanks for demonstrating how Germans will fuck everything up, even in the far future, Geedubs.
wait, what do you mean jumpstart humanities psyker evolution. Was this in the past, way past?
 

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wait, what do you mean jumpstart humanities psyker evolution. Was this in the past, way past?
There was a period between ancient times and modernity where the perpeptuals waged war against each other because they disagreed over the course of Humanity. Later, after the birth of slaneesh, they picked up on that right back again.
 

LifeisTiresome

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There was a period between ancient times and modernity where the perpeptuals waged war against each other because they disagreed over the course of Humanity. Later, after the birth of slaneesh, they picked up on that right back again.
I really dislike this perpetual nonsense. I preferred the Shaman origin.
 

Tyzuris

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Something interesting I heard discussed about Astartes Legions.

Apparently the counterpart for Imperial Fists isn't Iron Warriors actually. It's the Death Guard. Both IF and DG are heavily infantry centric legions with emphasis on endurance and being able to take punishment and pain while also having specialty in void warfare.

Where as the true counter part for Iron Warriors is the Iron Hands as they also are a mechanized force with reliance on tanks and artillery in doctrine.

What do you guys think of this?
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Something interesting I heard discussed about Astartes Legions.

Apparently the counterpart for Imperial Fists isn't Iron Warriors actually. It's the Death Guard. Both IF and DG are heavily infantry centric legions with emphasis on endurance and being able to take punishment and pain while also having specialty in void warfare.

Where as the true counter part for Iron Warriors is the Iron Hands as they also are a mechanized force with reliance on tanks and artillery in doctrine.

What do you guys think of this?
While that might be true in a mechanical sense, the main reason behind the antipathy between Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors is the bad relationship between their respective Primarchs, opposing philosphies, and fundamental differences.

I don't even know if and how Dorn and Mortarion interacted.
 

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