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GW paints are above average price, but I wouldn't say they're too high. As for the paints themselves, there's nothing special about them (aside from some of the technical paints and contrast), aside from the fact that if you're going by one of GW's "how to paint" video's or using the citadel paint app, it will only reference GW paints and the specific shades and colors of those paints.
16 colors like these should serve me well enough then, right?
 

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16 colors like these should serve me well enough then, right?

To just practice and learn how to paint/highlight/etc, that's more than you need.

To actually paint up an army? Maybe, it depends on what color scheme you end up using, that set could end up being just what you need, or it might up being mostly useless.
 

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To just practice and learn how to paint/highlight/etc, that's more than you need.

To actually paint up an army? Maybe, it depends on what color scheme you end up using, that set could end up being just what you need, or it might up being mostly useless.
Practising would be a lot easier if I actually had figures I'm willing to use for that purpose. Unfortunately, the store won't open until 15th march.
 

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Practising would be a lot easier if I actually had figures I'm willing to use for that purpose. Unfortunately, the store won't open until 15th march.

Like I was saying to Zach eariler, if you don't have/want to use 40k figures, just grabbing some army men or something to practice on is a much cheaper way to learn.
 

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Monument hobbies has 22ml bottles for $4.00 each and they include a glass bead agitator plus a twist open drop cap.
 

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Comment that came up elsewhere that I felt like sharing:

Change my Mind: Ghazghkull thraka is just a big green Abbadon at this point. Hyped up massively in the lore, but in practice has just spent ages trying to take one single planet and failing repeatedly because of his puny mortal human adversary.
 

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Comment that came up elsewhere that I felt like sharing:

Change my Mind: Ghazghkull thraka is just a big green Abbadon at this point. Hyped up massively in the lore, but in practice has just spent ages trying to take one single planet and failing repeatedly because of his puny mortal human adversary.
It continues one of GW's worse trends, an absolute unwillingness to actually kill of baddies and/or Champions.

I mean Abbadon? It would have made so much more sense if Chaos got pissed after the first thirteen failures and either 1) forced Lorgar to get off his ass and actually lead the 13th (Mk. 2) Crusade and get the victory or 2) have some new unknown come in and actually get the win.

Ghazghkull is kinda the same, except in a few ways the opposite. Let him win at Armageddon and then just wander off on his own instead of continuing to always survive despite losing every time he is in a shown fight.

Although, being honest, I still think I despise the Space Doggies the most. God that chapter needs a good purging to remove at least most of its hypocrisy. "No, our psykers aren't psykers because...WOLVES!!!", "No, we can force the Inquisition and Grey Knights to back off and kill them to protect a bunch of corrupted serfs and no one cares because... WOLVES!!!", "No, we can totally ignore the Codex and basically every regulation pertaining to Space Marines because... WOLVES!!!"

I mean if there is any chapter that sincerely and seriously needs a solid bitch slapping it is the Space Wolves.
 

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I mean if there is any chapter that sincerely and seriously needs a solid bitch slapping it is the Space Wolves.

Agreed, the space wolves absolutely must be punished and brought to heel, their flaunting of the imperium's authority has gone on too long. They've proably only evaded sanction so long because all too many inquisitors were distracted by baseless theories about the noble dark angels and their "suspicious, secretive behavior" and "seemingly coordinated actions with their successor chapter" or the "atypically high causality rate of allied forces in thier vicinity".



EDIT: More seriously, though, I think the Sisters earn the top spot for me in terms of my least liked 40k army (that or Dark Eldar, because Dark Eldar are just Chaos marines for edgy people that are into emo music instead of death metal). Largely because their background lore is just so dumb.

The SoBs exist because the Ecclesiarchy briefly took over the entire imperium and proceeded to badly bungle it. In the aftermath, the new Ecclesiarch Sebastian Thor implemented the decree passive, which banned the Ecclesiarchy from ever again having control over "Men at Arms", because Thor determined that they could not be trusted to have military forces and not misuse them.

Then, for some bizzare reason, Thor set about rules-lawyering his way around the decree that he himself had created, setting up the Sisters of Battle as women under arms and therefor not covered by the decree, recreating the exact problem the decree was meant to prevent. And even more absurdly, that worked (which has hilarious implications for the rest of the setting if that reading of "men = males, not humans" is applied to it).

It also seems more than a little insulting to women, given that SoBs only exist because the Ecclesiarchy can't have the army it really wants and had to make do with women.
 
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tbf, any military not chaos-alligned would be concerned about that.

Which is exactly why it's such a tragedy that the inquisition has been wasting so much time and so many lives investigating the clearly false and probably heretic rumors of such a thing, which are not true in any way.
 

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Then, for some bizzare reason, Thor set about rules-lawyering his way around the decree that he himself had created, setting up the Sisters of Battle as women under arms and therefor not covered by the decree, recreating the exact problem the decree was meant to prevent. And even more absurdly, that worked (which has hilarious implications for the rest of the setting if that reading of "men = males, not humans" is applied to it).

It also seems more than a little insulting to women, given that SoBs only exist because the Ecclesiarchy can't have the army it really wants and had to make do with women.

I think lore-wise the precursor to the Sisters of Battle defecting to Thor was a contributing factor to his victory, and it does make some sense that an organization which was a significant aid to Thor at the time he was making the decree would be able to get an exception here, that's just politics.

And the justification is basically what you would have to have in order to have an all- or even significantly female military force, given natural human differences between the sexes, both physically and in terms of natural inclinations.
 

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I think lore-wise the precursor to the Sisters of Battle defecting to Thor was a contributing factor to his victory, and it does make some sense that an organization which was a significant aid to Thor at the time he was making the decree would be able to get an exception here, that's just politics.

And the justification is basically what you would have to have in order to have an all- or even significantly female military force, given natural human differences between the sexes, both physically and in terms of natural inclinations.
Don't forget, if not for the SoB, the Ecclesiarchy would have no standing army whatsoever to defend their interests and standing.
Any other faction, the Imperium's included, would walk over their concerns while paying only lip-service to the faith.
 

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I think lore-wise the precursor to the Sisters of Battle defecting to Thor was a contributing factor to his victory, and it does make some sense that an organization which was a significant aid to Thor at the time he was making the decree would be able to get an exception here, that's just politics.

And the justification is basically what you would have to have in order to have an all- or even significantly female military force, given natural human differences between the sexes, both physically and in terms of natural inclinations.

I think they could have come up with some other, better excuse. Already the current excuse for the stormtroopers being nearly all male is that the Sisters tend to grab all the female candidates that could become stormtroopers, that's at least a better starting point than "Thor wanted to break the rules that he created".

As for sex differances, the IG doesn't care, and given the SoBs already have power armor that negates the worst of those differances, the SoBs care even less.

Don't forget, if not for the SoB, the Ecclesiarchy would have no standing army whatsoever to defend their interests and standing.
Any other faction, the Imperium's included, would walk over their concerns while paying only lip-service to the faith.

That's not a great excuse. Ecclesiarchy facilities and shrines would still benefit from the planet's PDF and other defenses (for example, on Vraks the Ecclesiarchy Basslica was located inside the adminstraium run citadel). Historically, the church was able to rely on secular forces to protect it's holdings, given the level of faith in the imperium that would no doubt still work there.

As for larger concerns, I'm not sure that they Ecclesiarchy having input on "larger concerns" is a good idea, and certainly can't come up with any examples of that being the case.
 

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I think they could have come up with some other, better excuse. Already the current excuse for the stormtroopers being nearly all male is that the Sisters tend to grab all the female candidates that could become stormtroopers, that's at least a better starting point than "Thor wanted to break the rules that he created".

As for sex differances, the IG doesn't care, and given the SoBs already have power armor that negates the worst of those differances, the SoBs care even less.

I think the idea is that Thor wanted to break the rules that he created, but only a little bit. A Ecclesiarchy limited to women-only forces is going to have some military forces, but you're never going to be able to field a female army of the size you can a male or co-ed one, and it's going to be at an inherent disadvantage against similar sized forces with similar equipment. The Ecclesiarchy gets around this somewhat by the limited size letting them throw enough money at equipment that they outperform similarly sized IG forces, but the Ecclesiarchy is then spending a lot more per woman than even Scions are probably spending per man.

The IRL US Military & basically every other "western democracy" doesn't care- in fact they basically do the opposite- and yet IRL combat troops and special forces range from "nearly all male" to "actually all male." Yes, power armor levels the physical playing field somewhat but 1) relies on having enough of a rare and expensive piece of equipment to go around 2) is never going to make up the entire difference given the same equipment and 3) doesn't address natural differences in inclinations. You could make the same argument that, say, guns ought to have leveled the playing field IRL, negating the differences made by having most weapons depend more directly on the strength of the arm of the soldier. And they probably did level the playing field, a bit.

Don't forget, if not for the SoB, the Ecclesiarchy would have no standing army whatsoever to defend their interests and standing.
Any other faction, the Imperium's included, would walk over their concerns while paying only lip-service to the faith.

Yeah. That said, there are military forces that aren't modeled as a playable army in 40k (for instance, Arbites IIRC), and it would probably have made more sense to have a Ecclesiarchy Military that can just be modeled as Scions. But from a Doylist viewpoint... it would probably be (even more) politically incorrect to have almost no human female armies at all, especially given the explicit canon male-only restriction on Spess Mehrenes, and SoB existing gives some cover here. And given you need one for Doylist reasons, on the Watsonian end I think the excuse they give isn't terrible.
 

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Anyone have any thoughts on the upcoming game Necromunda: Hired Gun?
Tbh, it looks too good to be true. I like the idea of a mercenary being so succesful, he can afford to deck himself out in the best stuff money and rep can buy to run and gun like a Titanfall pilot. But it looks all so good, too good.
 

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