What If? V'Ger, The Whale Probe and the Doomsday Machine go a traveling.

[Sailor.X]

In this scenario an immensely powerful ROB decides to have a little fun by sending V'Ger The Whale Probe and the Doomsday machine to these universes

Star Wars (Circa a New Hope)
Stargate SG1 (Season 6)
Warhammer 40K
Gundam Seed (Season 1)
Gundam Wing
Gundam Double Zeta
Robotech (Macross Saga A day before Earth's Bombardment)
Macross Frontier
Babylon 5
The Orville (Season 2)
Justice League Unlimited
MCU (Just before Infinity War)
Stargate Atlantis (Season 2)
Hasbro Universe (Circa Transformers G1 Season 3)

I have not included Star Trek for obvious reasons. V'Ger will be exploring and cataloging Worlds it encounters. It will not attack first but will defend itself. The Whale Probe will be searching for Whales it has a database of wholes in each universe that has whales. Whales that were placed there by the ROB. It will disable any ship that tries to attack it. And last but not least the Doomsday machine. It will be destroying worlds right and left. It's hull is solid Neutroinium and can only be destroyed by a huge explosion inside it. Knowing this if the Doomsday machine is destroyed it will respawn in another universe on the list.

So what happens in each universe? How do the factions in each universe deal with their new problems?

 

[Red_Tornado]

Star wars universe will be in trouble,they have whales

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

Stargate SG1 (Season 6)

Earth, thanks to Star Trek existing as a fictional property in their universe, likely deals with with all three surprisingly well. O'Neill is almost certainly going to recognize the Doomsday Machine right off the bat and know how they defeated it in the episode. All they need is a tel'tak and a naquadria laced nuke to replicate the explosive effect of a couple of impulse engines exploding.

Because of this outside universe knowledge Earth will also know V'ger isn't hostile and can be reasoned and communicated with. The SG-1 could intercept the probe/machine life outside the system and Sam and Daniel can peaceful open dialogue with the intelligence and work out a way for it to scan Earth and its technologies without scaring the ever loving crap out of its inhabitance.

Counter-intuitively I think the Whale Probe would be the most difficult of the three to handle. Unlike the Doomsday Machine it didn't really have any obvious weakpoints and unlike V'ger it didn't seem quite as intelligent in its actions being almost single-minded in its desire to talk with Earth's whales. While Stargate Earth certainly has whales and thus the probe likely wouldn't threaten Earth to the same extent Star Trek Earth was the incidental weather affects and disruption of electronics the Probe seems to produce as a byproduct of its transmission would likely spell the end of the stargate's secrecy.

On the other hand I could totally see a comedic episode centered around retrofitting the Promethus to carry a humpback whale ST IV style to intercept the Probe before it reaches Earth and let it have its chat in deep space. With the Probe deducing this is an Earthian Whale and that it can cross that planet off its list.

 

[Sailor.X]

Earth, thanks to Star Trek existing as a fictional property in their universe, likely deals with with all three surprisingly well. O'Neill is almost certainly going to recognize the Doomsday Machine right off the bat and know how they defeated it in the episode. All they need is a tel'tak and a naquadria laced nuke to replicate the explosive effect of a couple of impulse engines exploding.

Because of this outside universe knowledge Earth will also know V'ger isn't hostile and can be reasoned and communicated with. The SG-1 could intercept the probe/machine life outside the system and Sam and Daniel can peaceful open dialogue with the intelligence and work out a way for it to scan Earth and its technologies without scaring the ever loving crap out of its inhabitance.

Counter-intuitively I think the Whale Probe would be the most difficult of the three to handle. Unlike the Doomsday Machine it didn't really have any obvious weakpoints and unlike V'ger it didn't seem quite as intelligent in its actions being almost single-minded in its desire to talk with Earth's whales. While Stargate Earth certainly has whales and thus the probe likely wouldn't threaten Earth to the same extent Star Trek Earth was the incidental weather affects and disruption of electronics the Probe seems to produce as a byproduct of its transmission would likely spell the end of the stargate's secrecy.

On the other hand I could totally see a comedic episode centered around retrofitting the Promethus to carry a humpback whale ST IV style to intercept the Probe before it reaches Earth and let it have its chat in deep space. With the Probe deducing this is an Earthian Whale and that it can cross that planet off its list.

Earth will do fine. But the Goa'uld being how they are will do the stupid and try to attack V'Ger and the Whale Probe. Such actions will result in them losing a lot of ships. And since we have not seen the use missile or torpedoes in ship to ship combat. I think the Doomsday Machine will carve a wide path of death through many of their worlds.

 

[Atarlost]

We can put some constraints on the explosive power of a Constitution class starship from STIII. Kirk deliberately self destructs one somewhere it will crash into the planet he is standing on. He clearly does not expect it to render the planet uninhabitable. Neither does Scotty. Savik does not think this is the cause of the planet exploding. No one panics that it is intact enough to burn up on reentry and thus demonstrably has not lost antimatter containment in space where it will be uncontained. Both Scotty and Savik can definitely do the math so I presume their assessment is accurate.

If anyone has weapons that would be expected to reliably kill unprotected humans several degrees longitude from where they hit on a planet those weapons should be able to kill the doomsday machine.

 

[Sailor.X]

We can put some constraints on the explosive power of a Constitution class starship from STIII. Kirk deliberately self destructs one somewhere it will crash into the planet he is standing on. He clearly does not expect it to render the planet uninhabitable. Neither does Scotty. Savik does not think this is the cause of the planet exploding. No one panics that it is intact enough to burn up on reentry and thus demonstrably has not lost antimatter containment in space where it will be uncontained. Both Scotty and Savik can definitely do the math so I presume their assessment is accurate.

If anyone has weapons that would be expected to reliably kill unprotected humans several degrees longitude from where they hit on a planet those weapons should be able to kill the doomsday machine.

That requires they first learn the weak point of the Doomsday machine. Even Scotty and Spock did not figure that out until Decker kamakazied a Shuttlecraft down the things maw. The Same maw that yeets planets left right and center.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

We can put some constraints on the explosive power of a Constitution class starship from STIII. Kirk deliberately self destructs one somewhere it will crash into the planet he is standing on. He clearly does not expect it to render the planet uninhabitable. Neither does Scotty. Savik does not think this is the cause of the planet exploding. No one panics that it is intact enough to burn up on reentry and thus demonstrably has not lost antimatter containment in space where it will be uncontained. Both Scotty and Savik can definitely do the math so I presume their assessment is accurate.

If anyone has weapons that would be expected to reliably kill unprotected humans several degrees longitude from where they hit on a planet those weapons should be able to kill the doomsday machine.

The episode itself establishes an overloaded impulse engine is rated in the range of 98 megatons so we're likely looking at an upper bound of 196 megatons.

Earth will do fine. But the Goa'uld being how they are will do the stupid and try to attack V'Ger and the Whale Probe. Such actions will result in them losing a lot of ships. And since we have not seen the use missile or torpedoes in ship to ship combat. I think the Doomsday Machine will carve a wide path of death through many of their worlds.

V'Ger and the Whale Probe are going to walk right over them. The Gao'uld empire might be able to take down the Doomsday Machine. While they don't have missiles or torpedoes they have been shown to have Naquaria bombs onboard their Ha'taks so they could hit upon force feeding the DM an explosive meal. It also seemed relatively easily distracted so a small fleet of ships might be able to intervene, lure it out of a solar system and just give it the run around until it exhausts its power.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

For Gundam, the main limiting factor is the extremely short range of Gundam mechs and ships. Every setting except IBO takes place within Earth orbit, and it can take several days for a ship to travel from one colony in Earth orbit to another. Meanwhile, the Doomsday Machine hails from the Star Trek universe, where the slowest speeds, impulse, allows one to traverse a star system within minutes. Gundam tech simply is not fast enough to combat the Doomsday Machine. In Gundam IBO, the setting goes out as far as Jupiter and ships can travel from Earth to Jupiter within a few days, but again too slow for Star Trek velocities.

So the Earth is probably doomed. No idea if the Doomsday machine will also consume the space colonies in orbit. If the colonies are left alone, then they can survive on their own. In Gundam Char's Counterattack (the last UC timeline movie made by Gundam's original creator Tomino), Char believes that the space colonies will be fine even if the Earth is wiped out. IIRC at the end of Gundam Wing, Zechs was also trying to wipe out all life on Earth so again the space colonies could survive without. And then in SEED, the PLANTs were already surviving on their own without any trade with the Earth for several years after the Earth Alliance's first strike killed relations between Earth and the colonies.

EDIT: I forgot that Zeta Gundam and Gundam SEED had death star lasers, so those could be aimed at the Doomsday Machine and blow it up. Unfortunately, in UC Gundam the colony laser was nonfunctional at the end of Zeta, so it wouldn't be able to save the Earth by the time of ZZ. In SEED, the laser is in the hands of Patrick Zala, who hates Earth because they murdered his wife when they blew up that space colony at the beginning. He went crazy at the end of the show so he might not be inclined to use the laser to save the Earth. Fortunately the rest of ZAFT seemed pretty sane so they might wrest control of the laser from him and use it anyway.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

impulse, allows one to traverse a star system within minutes

This interpretation of Impulse has always bugged me...because it means that Impulse is FTL.

 

[Sailor.X]

This interpretation of Impulse has always bugged me...because it means that Impulse is FTL.

I always thought full impulse was between .25c and .50c.

 

[Atarlost]

That requires they first learn the weak point of the Doomsday machine. Even Scotty and Spock did not figure that out until Decker kamakazied a Shuttlecraft down the things maw. The Same maw that yeets planets left right and center.

It's still the natural place to shoot. There have to be all sorts of sensitive tractor beam and energy weapon emitters in there.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

The DS-I and DS-II battlestations can probably just gut them from a safe distance. As for 40k, I'm sure the Emperor can have a mental "lapse" which leads to the bit of space these vessels are in being swallowed by the Immaterium.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

..which leads to the bit of space these vessels are in being swallowed by the Immaterium.

Good lord, what will they look like when they finally pop back into realspace years down the road?

 

[Sailor.X]

The DS-I and DS-II battlestations can probably just gut them from a safe distance. As for 40k, I'm sure the Emperor can have a mental "lapse" which leads to the bit of space these vessels are in being swallowed by the Immaterium.

I don't think that will even work on V'Ger. V'Ger will sense the power up and just teleport out of the way of the blast. As too the GEOM. The same will be done. V'Ger is a mechanical god tier being.

 

[Atarlost]

The DS-I and DS-II battlestations can probably just gut them from a safe distance. As for 40k, I'm sure the Emperor can have a mental "lapse" which leads to the bit of space these vessels are in being swallowed by the Immaterium.

If the explosion that destroyed the doomsday machine in Star Trek is under 200 megatons as Crom's Black Crusade indicates I don't think most settings are going to have trouble. If Earth could put orbital boosters under all its ICBMs we could kill it today with those numbers. I think those numbers are probably bogus, but I think the pre-START combined world arsenal could probably do it by my ST3 size limit.

The whale probe has no durability feats.

V'ger is the only quantifiable problem. It's going to probably keep digitizing worlds until it gets to Earth and either merges with the creator or concludes that the creator does not exist and then either collapse into a singularity of existential angst or return to the "collect all data possible" component of its core programming loop. It can't get through the most modern starship shields in of its time in a single shot with its "travelling" weapon and has to disperse the cloud to deploy the planet digitizing orbs so it might have more trouble than you'd think.

I don't think that will even work on V'Ger. V'Ger will sense the power up and just teleport out of the way of the blast. As too the GEOM. The same will be done. V'Ger is a mechanical god tier being.

When does V'ger ever exhibit the ability to teleport itself? It is fast by the standards of the Federation in its era, but I'm not sure it's fast by even TNG standards and it uses a realspace drive.

 

[Sailor.X]

If the explosion that destroyed the doomsday machine in Star Trek is under 200 megatons as Crom's Black Crusade indicates I don't think most settings are going to have trouble. If Earth could put orbital boosters under all its ICBMs we could kill it today with those numbers. I think those numbers are probably bogus, but I think the pre-START combined world arsenal could probably do it by my ST3 size limit.

The whale probe has no durability feats.

V'ger is the only quantifiable problem. It's going to probably keep digitizing worlds until it gets to Earth and either merges with the creator or concludes that the creator does not exist and then either collapse into a singularity of existential angst or return to the "collect all data possible" component of its core programming loop. It can't get through the most modern starship shields in of its time in a single shot with its "travelling" weapon and has to disperse the cloud to deploy the planet digitizing orbs so it might have more trouble than you'd think.


When does V'ger ever exhibit the ability to teleport itself? It is fast by the standards of the Federation in its era, but I'm not sure it's fast by even TNG standards and it uses a realspace drive.

It did so at the end of Star Trek the Motion Picture. The spreading blast was the after affect of the teleport.

 

[Agent23]

Stargate can win because of its superior yields and because they can always beam a nequadah-boosted nuke inside of the thing or close to its maw.
I am pretty sure McKay or Carter can figure it out, or failing that O'Neill will just remind them what happened in the episode. 😂

Star Wars has the numbers and yields to probably take it outright, can you say Trench Run.

Warhammer 40k has the yields and the numbers, too, and a few pretty competent individuals like Belisarius Cawl to decipher the complex problem of 'Armored thingy shootind death rays with very hard armor has a hole, why not sneak a bomb inside' problem.Alternately, we have the Necrons, the Nids and Orks for swarm tactics.The Orks will probably make a big enough Waagh as to mess with the fundamental constants of the universe and make Adamantium, or was it neutronium, as durable as swiss cheese, 'cause it ain't the right colla ta be deady, see...' Then they will loot it and paint it blue or red.

Turn-A is probably the only Gundam that can stomp it easily.

Then again, Gundam has some weird supertech powered by teenage soldier angst.

Macross?

Maybe, given the Zent numbers and the very powerful pieces of tech they have.I have only seen Frontier and i don't recall exact yields.

Babylon 5?

Humm, maybe the bonehead maneuver straight into its jaws or a hyperspace jump inside of it, with a suicide ship full of nukes, Sheridan or Garibaldi will figure it out.

Alternately, the First Ones will get annoyed and make it go boom.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

If the explosion that destroyed the doomsday machine in Star Trek is under 200 megatons as Crom's Black Crusade indicates I don't think most settings are going to have trouble.

If/when they figure out what the Doomsday Machine is, quite possibly. One problem is the DM projects a very potent dampening field which not only prevented all but short range communication it also rendered anti-matter "deactivated" somehow. So any system it enters is effectively cut off from warning/calling for help as it breaks apart/digests which appears to be a fairly quick procedure. The fourth planet in the system was "breaking up" when the Constellation first entered the system and it and the third planet were reduced to nothing more than rubble by the time the Enterprise responded to the Constellation's distress call.

So it could attack and destroy a system and move on before the Goa'uld, Galactic Empire or possibly the Imperium, depending on how subspace interference meshes with the Warp, even realize something is wrong.

 

[Atarlost]

It did so at the end of Star Trek the Motion Picture. The spreading blast was the after affect of the teleport.

It's supposed to be transcending corporeal existence, something it can not do as a being of pure logic before Decker merges with it.

If it could teleport it would have teleported directly to Earth instead of approaching in a detectable fashion and could not have been intercepted by Enterprise.

 

[Sailor.X]

It's supposed to be transcending corporeal existence, something it can not do as a being of pure logic before Decker merges with it.

If it could teleport it would have teleported directly to Earth instead of approaching in a detectable fashion and could not have been intercepted by Enterprise.

Question if you have a car that can go 200 mph. Would you drive 200 mph on the highway all the time? Or would you take your time because your destination is not going anywhere fast. It is the same with V'Ger. In other sources V'Ger has been to other Galaxies before even heading back to Earth. Point to point jumps when it needs to cover great distances. It did so in STO.