USAF Furtherly Lowering Their Standards
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DarthOne
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Let’s just hope that party loyalty over actual intelligence and competence will backfire for them should a Civil War break out. (Which historically tends to happen when a military organization prioritizes ideology over all else).
The level I work at is high. I am seeing how things are going, and they aren't in the direction Dems would want.
And the thing is, unless people reported about them, there is nothing that will be done.
Everything that happens, is because it was reported on by someone. most of the right wing people in the military don't care about reporting shit. We should be, but we fucking dont.
And no, the military will fix itself when we have to fight someone that isn't COIN.
Which the US Military, particularly the Army, is switching to heavily
Yeah, well let's see some woke commies get shitcanned then.
Also, it should not be seen as politically controversial to denounce Marxism. Not that terribly long ago, it was a popular sentiment which was openly expressed by members of the military, as it should still be.
Okay. Find me members that openly spread marxisn and I will personally go to IG and more.
Who was that guy who recently got appointed by Biden who's basically a political officer spreading woke ideology? How about that general Bacle was talking about? Good luck with your report to the IG. 
And giving you shit aside, this should have already been something that would have happened if the military was actually being consistent as you claim.
And giving you shit aside, this should have already been something that would have happened if the military was actually being consistent as you claim.
Let's put this into perspective.Who was that guy who recently got appointed by Biden who's basically a political officer spreading woke ideology? How about that general Bacle was talking about? Good luck with your report to the IG.
And giving you shit aside, this should have already been something that would have happened if the military was actually being consistent as you claim.
Some never stay in longer then thier forst contract.
Most that do very depending on a lot.
Also, IG follows the policies they are independent.
And if you have issues with one IG, you can always go to another
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
No, because this would get you in more trouble than them. I'm not going to help you commit career suicide.
Looks like this firing is going to be a mess for the DoD now that Reps and Senators are getting involved.
If the military wants to act like Marxism is a legit ideology under the regs, don't be surprised when there is political backlash from the Right.
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I literally told you they cant get political AT ALL!
Fucking hell.
They consider ANYTHING TO BE A REAL IDEOLIGY!
But as for the tweet.
As much as we hateSECDEF Floyd, this isn't that bad for the guy then.
And beilive it or not, the Space Force guy has full rights to go to IG, to go to his congressmen as well. To help him with the situation.
Which he probrabl did
Yes, I know what you told me, and that informs what I said.
The fact the DoD considers Marxism a legit political ideology is a travesty, and shows just how much ground the Right has lost in the culture war.
Once upon a time criticizing Marxism while in uniform was seen as a patriotic thing to do and encouraged.
Besides the fact that we still talk shi about commies openly and I cam joke with a 06 at a corp level about boh shows how minor of a thing it is.
Main issue with modern day military is the EO policy that if something offends you and you worr the way it offenrs you a certain way you can get someone in trouble.
BTW, he should have also gone through the proper channels when be did all of this. As in IG etc
Panzerkraken
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So, to clarify a bit, there are specific regulations regarding political discussion while on active duty, regarding what you can and can't say, and requiring that you be cognizant of the context you're speaking in when you do it. For all Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines the overall policy is "You can have your own opinions, but you may not express them as a member of the Military, only as a private citizen."
The distinction in that case is that you can say "I'm Joe Smith and I think that Socialism is good," but you can't say "I'm Staff Sergeant Joe Smith, United States Marine Corps, and the Marines I work with think that the Socialist Organization that gives us a base wage and free medical care is the right answer for the rest of the country, so Marines Support Bernie Sanders!" because you're ascribing a particular political position to a Service.
There are differences when you're an officer though. While it's just fine for Zach (as an Enlisted guy) to say "President Biden is a fuckup, and everyone in my chain of command are losers," both as an individual and as a Soldier, privately or publicly (although saying something like that publicly falls into the policy above), Commissioned Officers have specific regulations that prevent them from criticizing the chain of command publicly, covered under Article 133 of the UCMJ (Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Gentleman). This is a punitive article with a maximum punishment of dismissal (which seems to have been used in the case of that SpF guy), but does not prevent them from raising criticism to the chain of command, higher elements of the chain of command, or to the Inspector General.
Noncommissioned Officers aren't directly covered under Article 133 (Warrant Officers are, however), but are much more likely to be punished under Article 15 proceedings for actions like that.
The distinction in that case is that you can say "I'm Joe Smith and I think that Socialism is good," but you can't say "I'm Staff Sergeant Joe Smith, United States Marine Corps, and the Marines I work with think that the Socialist Organization that gives us a base wage and free medical care is the right answer for the rest of the country, so Marines Support Bernie Sanders!" because you're ascribing a particular political position to a Service.
There are differences when you're an officer though. While it's just fine for Zach (as an Enlisted guy) to say "President Biden is a fuckup, and everyone in my chain of command are losers," both as an individual and as a Soldier, privately or publicly (although saying something like that publicly falls into the policy above), Commissioned Officers have specific regulations that prevent them from criticizing the chain of command publicly, covered under Article 133 of the UCMJ (Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Gentleman). This is a punitive article with a maximum punishment of dismissal (which seems to have been used in the case of that SpF guy), but does not prevent them from raising criticism to the chain of command, higher elements of the chain of command, or to the Inspector General.
Noncommissioned Officers aren't directly covered under Article 133 (Warrant Officers are, however), but are much more likely to be punished under Article 15 proceedings for actions like that.
Panzer you are such a life saer for me at times
You know DoD policy MUCH better then I do
Zach, did you actually read the articles I linked?
The guy did go through proper channels to his book, and had no problems till the podcast.
Also, IG reports get buried or dealt with behind closed doors.
This officer knew that won't work for what he was trying to whistleblow on, so instead he took it to the public.
Because he understand the USMJ is ultimately subordinate to public opinion and political winds.
You may not want to admit that, but as the Gallagher cases showed, it is absolutely true. That's why people started getting Reps and Senators involved.
Did you read what Panzer put?
He knows it better then I do.
And no, he didn't go through the proper chain. IG has mandatory things they nust do. If they didn't, he can go to another IG.
The military has ways to do shit.
We are constantly reminded about it here on base because kf how bullshit things are
And what would he have told the IG?
"Marxist theory and communist ideology is becoming pervasive in the US military and leadership, can you do something about that?"
Please don't lie to me and say anything actually would have come of that.
No, this officer did the right thing, and is being punished for it for political reasons. And now he is going to an increasing number of political allies and his book sales mean he will have the funds for his defense or for his civie life.
No, that there are officers breaking DoD policies.
Simple as that
What DoD officers breaking what policies?
Did you actually even read what his book was about or what he said on the podcast?
He was criticizing the woke, social justice bullshit, and Critical Race Theory based policies in the DoD, not specific officers.
Which, if someone goes to IG saying they are implementing political policies, it will be dealt with...
Also, CRT isn't in the military as far as I have seen, and I have taken MANY classes