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We actually have some six thousand years of history arguing that conventional militaries really have a shitty time dealing with militias and insurgencies.

Been awhile since I studied up on the topic but there are really two nations in history that proved an exception to that rule.

The Roman Empire and the Mongol Empire and that was largely because both sides could just destroy the offending civilization and kill so many of them that said regions never really recovered.

Even if those civilizations constituted part of their own sphere of influence or territory. And the reason both were able to do that was because they had huuggeee tracks of farmland and industry and a population base that viewed that kind of fucked up shit as totally reasonable foreign and domestic policy choices and even saw it as a chance at upward mobility.

The US Government doesn't have the mentality and the Bugmen in the cities don't have the cultural animalistic spirit to do that.

But the right sure does. It's got all the food and most of the industry and it's got a sizable chunk of the wealth as much as some users on this site wanna tip their fedoras the only thing that really stops the right from losing its collective shit is their modern quasi secular Christian sense of compassion and naiveté.

Read up on some of the incredibly fucked up shit Allen, Marion and Greene did during the American revolution. While they were insurgent rebels they fought the way the Mongols and the Romans fought and they did this because they learned how to fight like that fighting the East Coast Natives who played that old game pretty damn well.

People wanna act like any civil conflict favors the establishment but it doesn't, the other side is only being held back from true ugliness by a morality that the left constantly vilifies and is slowly convincing them to set aside to confront the great enemy.

It is a really dangerous mindset and a very foolish assumption.
Was thinking about the Holodomor in the Ukraine, the Soviets fixed the anti-communist problem by starving the people to death.

Not completely but enough the A.P.C. ( Ukraine anti-soviet guerrillas) was still actively fighting the Soviets until the UK Intelligence agency leaked the CIA contact information on who was fighting the Soviets in 1949(or 1959).

The Soviet killed off everyone who was part of the APC that
 

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Have you seen the shitpost on Judea by Dovahatty?
Maybe? I haven't actually sat down to watch any of his shit in ages, I haven't really had the time. I think the last one I saw was the one on Constantine.

Was thinking about the Holodomor in the Ukraine, the Soviets fixed the anti-communist problem by starving the people to death.

Not completely but enough the A.P.C. ( Ukraine anti-soviet guerrillas) was still actively fighting the Soviets until the UK Intelligence agency leaked the CIA contact information on who was fighting the Soviets in 1949(or 1959).

The Soviet killed off everyone who was part of the APC that
Yeah, but the Federal Government doesn't really have the capabilities to do that, especially when the agro people would be the ones actively hostile to them.

Big Agro could try it..but I bet dollars to donuts their lands will get razed by farmbros. The hostility against Gates and the Monsanto crowd is..palpable in the farm belt in the US and really anywhere else on earth.
 

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Maybe? I haven't actually sat down to watch any of his shit in ages, I haven't really had the time. I think the last one I saw was the one on Constantine.
He summarised how Hadrian fucked Judea the Roman way no matter how much gorilla warfare they tried when Hadrian didn't give a fuck and continued to fuck them even harder. I don't blame Jews for hating him. Romans are one of the very few that would take rebels thinking they're the shit at being gorilla warfare enthusiasts and show them the error of their ways.
 

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He summarised how Hadrian fucked Judea the Roman way no matter how much gorilla warfare they tried when Hadrian didn't give a fuck and continued to fuck them even harder. I don't blame Jews for hating him. Romans are one of the very few that would take rebels thinking they're the shit at being gorilla warfare enthusiasts and show them the error of their ways.
It's because Romans historically LOLno'd Guerilla warfare despite all the constant uprisings because they came from a culture of street brawlers. If you read up on Roman history, political bosses like the guy who put Tammany Hall on the map were rookies by comparison and it was basically the norm for every faction to have their own street gangs trained specifically tear up the other guys.

Their army was merely an extension of that.

There was an event during the punic wars where a few war elephants got into a Roman colony and their commanders decided to go into the ghetto of one city and brawl with the local politicians hoodlums.

It resulted in a bunch of juvenile delinquents killing war elephants and dragging their mahoots down and running their asses down the street for their trouble. The Roman military machine was really just well organized, well provisioned, incredibly well trained bunch of street rats 300767289228263424.png
 
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It's because Romans historically LOLno'd Gorilla warfare despite all the constant uprisings because they came from a culture of street brawlers. If you read up on Roman history, political bosses like the guy who put Tammany Hall on the map were rookies by comparison and it was basically the norm for every faction to have their own street gangs trained specifically tear up the other guys.

Their army was merely an extension of that.
There were some crazy mother fuckers. The Celt Gauls came and looted them but one day Julius needed loot for his career and the rest was history. Hannibal and many other military hot shots like Phyruss thought they could fuck the Romans but ended up losing no matter their victories.

Their army after Marius was when it was fucking on. Lots of landless and poor as fuck commoners who want money and land of their own because of the snooty blue bloods hogging it all back home their generals would oblige them to take it from foreign lands all the loot and women or whatever else takes their fancy. That's a lot of motivation to serve right there.
 
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The grid collapsing into 10,000 local grids around the local power station because of unreliability of any long distance power draw becoming unreliable is annoying, produces more work, and lowers the resilience of any one areas power (since if your power station goes down, local power goes away). But, its not end of civilization bad.
Actually it's a disaster, the main reason for integrated grid is that multiple energy providers can reduce the power fluctuation that comes from constantly changing demand. Most power sources are rather inflexible in their output, so having a network built around single one is rather damaging to the consumers, especially due to fragile state of the most modern day electronics
 

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I think I should also mention that my current bet in any civil war would be the Blues so to speak winning, mostly by successfully suppressing things so they don't ever come to a civil war, isolating pockets enough that they can reduce those pockets, and finally leaning on foreign resources to eventually outlast and attrition the red areas away if it does come to open rebelion and they lose control of the areas.

What I think I was mostly reacting to was the idea that

1) being the side with like, 10 A-10s left makes you the winning side, which I find a little silly: air power takes time and million man armies protecting the airfields to be effective. 5 guys with basic rifles shut down A-10 operations without mass ground operations.

2) That it would be any sort of immediate cataclysmic collapse which ends everything in 3 weeks.

@PsihoKekec , sure, its not ideal, but not unmanageable either. Home generators for example show that small grids do work. You'd obviously want to keep the grid integrated to whatever degree it does not threaten local grid stability in a combat area, but its not a problem that can't be adapted around, most likely with surprisingly minimal effort or disruption, at least to critical war needs.
 

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A second civil war in the US is the end of the modern world and the start of a economic depression that would basically crash the world and probably end in nuclear hell because of the collapse of China and Russia
 

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A second civil war in the US is the end of the modern world and the start of a economic depression that would basically crash the world and probably end in nuclear hell because of the collapse of China and Russia
Now that's just being silly. The US is not the source of all that is good in the world. It would suck for many people, I guess it might be the end of the modern world in terms of the US driven world order, but I'm not sure the point of being overly mellowdramatic about it.
 

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You know, if we do have a second civil war, I don't think the conflict will be restricted to just two sides; there's enough division in this country that I wouldn't be surprised if everything devolves into warring city-states.
Rather like 30th war in germany - there were 2 sides,but various factions was still fighting for their own goals.
But...maybe you get Mormon republic when they could finally get 10 wives each ?
 

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Now that's just being silly. The US is not the source of all that is good in the world. It would suck for many people, I guess it might be the end of the modern world in terms of the US driven world order, but I'm not sure the point of being overly mellowdramatic about it.
I'm not. Economically the US is what keeps the world spinning. US goes to Civil War, China collapses, war breaks out. Europe collapses, war breaks out as Russis finally had a chance
 

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Now that's just being silly. The US is not the source of all that is good in the world. It would suck for many people, I guess it might be the end of the modern world in terms of the US driven world order, but I'm not sure the point of being overly mellowdramatic about it.
It would cause a global economic collapse overnight and numerous countries whose existence is owed to the US military would probably not exist in their current forms come the morning...

So yeah it would.

America is the dominant cultural, economic and military power and if it goes into free fall so too goes everyone else.

It's why all the traitors in the IC and the Pentagon and the Rinos babble about managed decline.
 
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I'm wondering more about the potential spillover of the Second American Civil War into Canada, given that Vancouver is only a few hours away from the border. Moreover, I would think that the Trudeau regime would simply side with their Biden admin 'comrades' against the rebels.

Furthermore, Canada is also divided in terms of ideology as well, with the West being more in line with some parts of rural America. Only the East, and probably the coastal areas of BC would be more left-leaning.
 

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Canada would be neutral in the conflict, but of course Trudeau would render all possible aid to the regime, short of aiding them overtly. Basically, he would take a bitch approach.
Eh, that's a very narrow path to walk which I'm not sure is really possible. And, well, invading Canada is relatively trivial, and has a bunch of valuable resources. And if there's a period of lawlessness, well, see how well the Drug was stays contained to mexico.
 

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Imma say Bull@#&$%. A least locally (Oklahoma) we're splitting according to Football teams and we're not joining with the hated Texas Longhorns of all things. In fact, given there's a liquor store a block from my house literally split in half between OU Sooners and OSU's Cowboys, I'm pretty sure my hometown will be the front lines.
 

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GA would be split between Alabama and UGA with a minority in favor of GT. A small portion of both Alabama and GA would have Auburn there
 
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