United States US presidential election 2024

[DarthOne]

I don't give a shit that you are shitting out platitudes like "ideological purity"

We have seen time and time and time again that the republicuck establishment backstabs us, the people.
The only true goal they have is to suppress populists like trump.
Most of them vote right alongside the democrats every time something important happens.

They won't protect any of our rights, and they always either cave in to the democrats or outright support them.
We got the extreme woke liberals (democrats) and the slightly less extreme woke liberals (republican establishment).

You have decided to surrender, you do not want change, you do not want to fix anything. All you want is to try the same thing again and again despite it having failed every single time it was tried.
Saying "this time it will be different. this time the RINO party won't backstab me", "ok the RINO party took away more of our rights and supported the democrats again on everything. but if it was democrats in power they would have done even worse".

I am not content to be constrained by your false binary of having to choose between being raped by the guy with the knife or the guy with the lube bottle.
I am not content with saying "the rapist with the lube bottle is the lesser evil".

This is not a matter of me being unwilling to compromise. it is a matter of the rino party being actively malicious controlled opposition party who is actively in bed with the demonrat party.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

You have decided to surrender, you do not want change, you do not want to fix anything. All you want is to try the same thing again and again despite it having failed every single time it was tried.
Saying "this time it will be different. this time the RINO party won't backstab me", "ok the RINO party took away more of our rights and supported the democrats again on everything. but if it was democrats in power they would have done even worse".

Don't put words in my mouth! I have never said I approve of sellouts! You have no right to fucking tell me what I believe or elaborate my beliefs as if you were me in some bizarre tangent!

Do you have a problem with me? Have I screwed your mother or something? Killed your dog? If you want you play this game, then please bring the damn receipts!

I have never fucking said to quote 'trust the establishment' I have never said I don't want change, or anything you damn well insinuate! I merely accept reality as it fucking is and vote based on my individual beliefs and work with the realities of the situation as is offered.

So please explain! Or walk off if you have no argument like usual! Choice is yours!

In fact, I will give you an easy out! If you tell me that if a RINO won the nomination, you would prefer Trump to split the vote and the Dems to win in 2024 over them and I will concede defeat!

But you won't, you will probably continue to strangely agree with me on the fact that a RINO would be at least slightly better than a Dem in the oval office but then deny the reality that Trump or anybody else splitting the vote would screw us over.

Hey if you hate RINOS so much that you would rather see Biden in the White House again that's your affair, don't come in here complaining though if it happens.

 

[DarthOne]

Hey if you hate RINOS so much that you would rather see Biden in the White House again that's your affair, don't come in here complaining though if it happens.

Way to prove his point.

‘Keep voting in the guys who’ve screwed over America behind our back instead of the guys doing it to our face.’

 

[Blasterbot]

Hey if you hate RINOS so much that you would rather see Biden in the White House again that's your affair, don't come in here complaining though if it happens.

I don't want Biden to win. that is why I don't want the GOP to tell a third of it's base to fuck off they aren't needed. Trump needs to be the nominee to secure the MAGA vote. If the GOP proves so feckless and incompetent that they can't prevent the dems from selecting the opposition candidate than they need to be tuned into an oppositional party worth the name.

 

[mrttao]

Don't put words in my mouth! I have never said I approve of sellouts! You have no right to fucking tell me what I believe or elaborate my beliefs as if you were me in some bizarre tangent!

Funny, you have been putting words in my mouth.
Not only saying I only care about ideological purity, but that I am lying when I explicitly refuted that.

TLDR. Every RINO has to go.
RINOs are not better than democrats.
They are basically democrat infiltrators.

Also, when we vote in RINOs "because they are the lesser evil" we give ammo to the enemy. As they tarnish the reputation of conservatism and "prove" that "conservatism" (liberal policies implemented by RINOs) "does not work"

I don't want Biden to win. that is why I don't want the GOP to tell a third of it's base to fuck of they aren't needed. Trump needs to be the nominee to secure the MAGA vote. If the GOP proves so feckless and incompetent that they can't prevent the dems from selecting the opposition candidate than they need to be tuned into an oppositional party worth the name.

Exactly. If the vote gets split it is going to be entirely the GOP's fault.
If that happens it proves that the GOP has outlived its usefulness and needs to go.
Ideally though, the GOP can be salvaged by aggressively removing all RINOs from it. And having them properly support trump.

 

[mrttao]

Way to prove his point.

‘Keep voting in the guys who’ve screwed over America behind our back instead of the guys doing it to our face.’

That is pretty funny, yes.

 

[Captain X]

I say this as someone who isn't paid and legit doesn't want any fuckery going on.

"If Trump loses the nomination regardless of his excuse and runs again knowing full well and utterly that it will split the vote and lead to a complete loss of the right to the left in 2024, he will never be respected again in any major capacity within the right voter base or any of his successors."

That is the truth love it or hate it. A vast majority of us would rather have a RINO who at least by virtue of lip service will somewhat hinder the left's inevitable advance over another four years of Biden.

You can argue all you want about ideological purity or not conceding an inch but when push comes to shove a vast majority of Americans would rather take what they can as they can rather than just giving in for the sake of it.

You have this backwards. If the GoP doesn't nominate Trump and support other populists like him (such as Kari Lake), then it doesn't deserve our votes and it will be shooting itself in the foot. A "vote Republican no matter who" mentality is not only no better than the Leftists, but frankly is only going to represent a hollow victory, because they will just be controlled opposition who will end up doing everything the Left wants to do anyway. Look at the UK, and how no matter who they elect, it makes literally no difference. They voted to leave the EU over this shit, and nothing has changed for them. Do you want that shit here, too? Trump and others like him represent our only way out of this.

 

[StormEagle]

I say this as someone who isn't paid and legit doesn't want any fuckery going on.

"If Trump loses the nomination regardless of his excuse and runs again knowing full well and utterly that it will split the vote and lead to a complete loss of the right to the left in 2024, he will never be respected again in any major capacity within the right voter base or any of his successors."

That is the truth love it or hate it. A vast majority of us would rather have a RINO who at least by virtue of lip service will somewhat hinder the left's inevitable advance over another four years of Biden.

You can argue all you want about ideological purity or not conceding an inch but when push comes to shove a vast majority of Americans would rather take what they can as they can rather than just giving in for the sake of it.

And that’s worked out so very well the last few decades, hasn’t it?

I also think you have something confused here. If the GOP establishment screw Trump out of the nomination, or if there’s even any perception of funny business in the process, it’ll be the establishment that gets hurt. Not Trump.

The GOP cannot win without MAGA, at this stage. Even if Trump didn’t run third party, you’d still see a good portion of the MAGA base stay home.

Because we’re tired of politics as usual. We’re tired of going along to get along, which is all the RINOs ever give us when they aren’t full on endorsing Democrat positions.

I’ll not vote for the so called “lesser evil” only to get leftism going the speed limit.

I’d rather see the GOP shattered apart, than go back to the Cheney era of politics.

 

[Bacle]

A Dem rep lets the mask fall for just a second; they will 'eliminate' Trump before they allow him to take public office again.

 

[Abhorsen]

A Dem rep lets the mask fall for just a second; they will 'eliminate' Trump before they allow him to take public office again.

This is one reason that Trump's choice of a Vice President is so important. Because there's a good chance that becomes the president, so they serve as basically armor for the president. If it's Haley, that encourages assassination. If it's Vivek, Trump is going to be actively protected from even the chance of dying.

 

[Bacle]

This is one reason that Trump's choice of a Vice President is so important. Because there's a good chance that becomes the president, so they serve as basically armor for the president. If it's Haley, that encourages assassination. If it's Vivek, Trump is going to be actively protected from even the chance of dying.

I'd prefer he get Tim Scott, if he was up for it.

Like, I want to see Tim Scott run in 2028, no matter what happens next year.

Could also go ultra-troll and have it be Boebert or MTG, just to really fuck with the Dems.

 

[Abhorsen]

I'd prefer he get Tim Scott, if he was up for it.

Like, I want to see Tim Scott run in 2028, no matter what happens next year.

Could also go ultra-troll and have it be Boebert or MTG, just to really fuck with the Dems.

Tim Scott doesn't stop an assassination. There are other things to base your choice of VP on, don't get me wrong, but as far as assassination/impeachment defense goes, Vivek is by and far the best, and Nikki Haley is the worst.

 

[Rocinante]

Tim Scott doesn't stop an assassination. There are other things to base your choice of VP on, don't get me wrong, but as far as assassination/impeachment defense goes, Vivek is by and far the best, and Nikki Haley is the worst.

Agreed. It's sad we're there but he has to make his decision based on who is likely to get him assassinated. The establishment likes Haley too much. He's dead if he chooses Haley.

 

[Zachowon]

Assassination is more then likely going to give the Republicans a uniting factor in who they vote for.
Vivek.
Because Trumos death would get those TDS and never trumper Republicans to see that they have no choice but to go woth someone who will destroy teh swamp.

I'd prefer he get Tim Scott, if he was up for it.

Like, I want to see Tim Scott run in 2028, no matter what happens next year.

Could also go ultra-troll and have it be Boebert or MTG, just to really fuck with the Dems.

Tim was my go to in the primaries and I think him running in 2028 would be best.

I think he has a chance not running against Trump

 

[Captain X]

I hope he picks Kari Lake.

 

[Rocinante]

Assassination is more then likely going to give the Republicans a uniting factor in who they vote for.
Vivek.
Because Trumos death would get those TDS and never trumper Republicans to see that they have no choice but to go woth someone who will destroy teh swamp.


Tim was my go to in the primaries and I think him running in 2028 would be best.

I think he has a chance not running against Trump

The concern is him being assassinated after being elected. He has to be careful choosing his VP because if they like them too much, he's dead. He has to choose someone who wont cost him too many votes and that the establishment will hate more than him.

Vivek is a good choice, but vivek isn't interested in being a VP.

 

[Bacle]

The concern is him being assassinated after being elected. He has to be careful choosing his VP because if they like them too much, he's dead. He has to choose someone who wont cost him too many votes and that the establishment will hate more than him.

Vivek is a good choice, but vivek isn't interested in being a VP.

Hmm, if Bolton hadn't stabbed Trump in the back before, I'd say he's someone scary enough no one would want to off Trump and end up with a vengeful Walrus of Doom in the Oval.

 

[Zachowon]

The concern is him being assassinated after being elected. He has to be careful choosing his VP because if they like them too much, he's dead. He has to choose someone who wont cost him too many votes and that the establishment will hate more than him.

Vivek is a good choice, but vivek isn't interested in being a VP.

Assassination in office is a horrible idea they would go for it.
No in the sense that it would incite a civil war.

 

[Skallagrim]

Hmm, if Bolton hadn't stabbed Trump in the back before, I'd say he's someone scary enough no one would want to off Trump and end up with a vengeful Walrus of Doom in the Oval.

"The time has come. Start fueling the bombers."

"Who are we attacking, mr. President? Russia? China? North Korea? Iran?"

"Yes."

 

[Abhorsen]

Hmm, if Bolton hadn't stabbed Trump in the back before, I'd say he's someone scary enough no one would want to off Trump and end up with a vengeful Walrus of Doom in the Oval.

No, they'd love Bolton. Bolton wants everything the Establishment wants: war. The only scary part is that he might want too much of it.