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Ah, so you're just butthurt that you got called a cuckold then? Gotcha. But it is what it what is.

Meanwhile the US is still undersiege and you guys are still doing fuck all to deal with it.

There's nothing most of us can do about. The spineless response of the portland city leadership is a problem for the people of portland to resolve, I can't do anything to pressure the leadership of a city and state I don't live in.

For now, its adorable that you think it won't ratchet up again as soon as is convenient.

Define "convenient". The current tensions certainly didn't come at the best time, it's too far away from the election to have a sure shoot at influencing the general electorate and it's goldfish like memory, and the sudden and highly hypocritical about face that the media and democrats did when they flipped from condemning lockdown protesters to praising BLM.

"my playbook" is not something I'm endorsing, I'm more lamenting that we've reached this point. But hey while we're on the topic.

it worked for about eight centuries in Japan, a millennium in Rome and about five decades in Taiwan and well Chile did pretty damn good. Argentina admittedly shit the bed, but that's what happens when you let schizophrenics run your dictatorship and drug lords run the military outfits on the streets.

Which is why I'm so alarmed...Because when you people fail to act, you make gilded ages look real sexy.

I'm not too familar with Japan and Rome, but I feel like I would know if roving paramilitary death squads were a common feature, and Chile did precisely the opposite of "good".

I said we needed vigilantism to deal with this, which the AAA started was before it became the AAA (It was a fusion of several civilian militias brought under Rega's umbrella), it became something else entirely as the situation escalated. But hey there were other Argentina right wing groups who conducted vigilantism I could cite, none of them have articles sadly.

The left as a whole still hasn't shut up about that one lady that got run over at charlottesville, and was using her as a rallying cry and rhetorical bludgeon before the body was even cold, on top of thier relentless progandizing about right wing terrorism. Why would giving them even more evidence and a new set of maryters work?

Not wanting to commit national suicide = Cowardice..ah yes...It certainly is cowardly not to want to see this nation survive so it can become strong and healthy again when the dust settles.

It won't survive. Once you legitimize violent, murderous vigantism as a valid response to cases like this, you're opening a box that you can never close again.

Selectively ignore the dozens of other cities on fire, the malicious prosecution of honest citizens defending themselves against the mob and the murder of a mother with a toddler because she said all lives matter...Or the calls for genocide against whites and Jews by BLM leaders and the constant threats, supported by members of congress to "tear down this country" to maintain your narrative of moral cowardice.

By all means

Really, that's you're case? In any given week I could cherry pick a handful of ugly incidents and bits of bad news to paint a picture of certain and immanent doom, doesn't make it the case. The media's been doing that for the past 4 years and has been full of it every single time, why should I believe you're any different?
 

Arch Dornan

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The left as a whole still hasn't shut up about that one lady that got run over at charlottesville, and was using her as a rallying cry and rhetorical bludgeon before the body was even cold, on top of thier relentless progandizing about right wing terrorism. Why would giving them even more evidence and a new set of maryters work?
Isn't it George Floyd now?
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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There's nothing most of us can do about. The spineless response of the portland city leadership is a problem for the people of portland to resolve, I can't do anything to pressure the leadership of a city and state I don't live in.

The spineless response from the leadership of two dozen cities, in the case of two, involving the arrest and prosecution of honest citizens whose only crime was self defense is..not a problem for the people of those cities. It is evidence of a violent insurrection by a rogue political party.


Define "convenient". The current tensions certainly didn't come at the best time, it's too far away from the election to have a sure shoot at influencing the general electorate and it's goldfish like memory, and the sudden and highly hypocritical about face that the media and democrats did when they flipped from condemning lockdown protesters to praising BLM.

Since may America has been burning.. The moment Trump comes out of his bunker to do something. They scale back paint him as the victim, the moment regular people get pissed they withdraw while peppering them with increased lockdowns and criminal charges and you don't see this?


I'm not too familar with Japan and Rome, but I feel like I would know if roving paramilitary death squads were a common

..So the fact that three of the..well...three Bafuku's had secret police agencies comprised of dispensable ronin they could throw at dissent is something "you feel like you should know?"

The last of which was a group that recruited right out of madhouses and involved a heroine dealer shaking down a dress shop with a cannon? They were kind of an integral aspect to the longevity of the various Shogunates who dominated Japan.
feature, and Chile did precisely the opposite of "good".

Yeah no, if it weren't for the military juntas most of South America would be cuba 2,0. We lucked out at the end with Galtieri but Videla who gets blamed for wiping out ten or so thousand terrorists is painted as a villain. He was just responded to rioting scum who were blowing up maternity wards and murdering random cops.

In any case, Chile's problems in the early 90's had everything to do with the economic horse he backed having a bubble that popped in 92 that caused a mini recession globally.

But's such a common thing to deny this and vilify the milicos, when in truth they probably did more to preserve democracy by stabbing her in the thigh than the people who replaced them have ever done.


The left as a whole still hasn't shut up about that one lady that got run over at charlottesville, and was using her as a rallying cry and rhetorical bludgeon before the body was even cold, on top of thier relentless progandizing about right wing terrorism. Why would giving them even more evidence and a new set of maryters work?

Only because the right was too weak and afraid to point out that it was Dwayne Dixon (who admitted this in a video no less) waving one of their dreaded AR-15's at the car.

Because people like Ben Shapiro and Sean Hannity are too afraid of the R and N word did that PR victory go to them. Meanwhile a bloated commie died and a guy with PTSD got railroaded and the only thing Charlottesville proved was that the right wing establishment is a joke.


It won't survive. Once you legitimize violent, murderous vigantism as a valid response to cases like this, you're opening a box that you can never close again.

That box is already opened, or did the smoldering clouds of smoke rising out of your nations capital not clue you in on that?


Really, that's you're case? In any given week I could cherry pick a handful of ugly incidents and bits of bad news to paint a picture of certain and immanent doom, doesn't make it the case. The media's been doing that for the past 4 years and has been full of it every single time, why should I believe you're any different?

Now you're flat out being dishonest and obtuse and ignoring reality to harp on your sad points.
 
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Guy of Z

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, and Chile did precisely the opposite of "good".
Communists who were starving the nation and raping political opposition died and got displaced thats good
Really, that's you're case? In any given week I could cherry pick a handful of ugly incidents and bits of bad news to paint a picture of certain and immanent doom, doesn't make it the case. The media's been doing that for the past 4 years and has been full of it every single time, why should I believe you're any different?
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
They were glorified to an extent too weren't they?

Got some tacky looking uniforms too.

Hugely glorified and they're seen as heroes in pop culture in the west as well. But it wasn't just them, hell the word Bafuku is basically "junta" and both refer to the same thing. A group of generals coming together under a tent to occupy and govern a nation. It's just because Shoguns were also nobles people call it feudalism..but they never governed as feudal overlords, first and foremost they governed as supreme commanders "generalisimos" and I think British and American diplomats even called them that at first.

The Shinsengumi were pretty much the template for the RDS's in Brazil..though it helps a few of their paramilitary right wing groups were funded by and partly trained by literal descendants of Roshigumi and Shinsengumi members who fled to Brazil in the 1870's.

you could argue the AAA and the Carapintadas and even Los Pepes were influenced by them as well.


edit I'm not defending this form of governance either, only that people be weary because when it does work, it works really well and people are quite happy to choose a gilded cage over "and little timmy is now Tiffany". It is incredibly annoying to me that the American right is so weak and so willing to give ground that its placing the US in real danger of having those types of people look rational by comparison.
 
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If your not willing to suppress insurrectionists who want to line you up against a wall, in pursuit of principle, don't be surprised when your lined up.

Principle without action is useless.

Antifa/BLM/all the rest will not show the same courtesy that the American right seems to expect in politics, the fair play.

Maybe its due to our comfort and the fact that this sort of political crisis has not happened in America since if not the 1860s, maybe...the 1930s? Or early 20th century? I dunno.

These groups mean what they say, when they talk about abolishing the police, and destroying the country. Of course, they don't want to secede, they want to rule, with no opposition.
 

Arch Dornan

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If your not willing to suppress insurrectionists who want to line you up against a wall, in pursuit of principle, don't be surprised when your lined up.

Principle without action is useless.

Antifa/BLM/all the rest will not show the same courtesy that the American right seems to expect in politics, the fair play.

Maybe its due to our comfort and the fact that this sort of political crisis has not happened in America since if not the 1860s, maybe...the 1930s? Or early 20th century? I dunno.

These groups mean what they say, when they talk about abolishing the police, and destroying the country. Of course, they don't want to secede, they want to rule, with no opposition.
Washington had it easier with the Whiskey Rebellion.
 

LordsFire

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If your not willing to suppress insurrectionists who want to line you up against a wall, in pursuit of principle, don't be surprised when your lined up.

Principle without action is useless.

Antifa/BLM/all the rest will not show the same courtesy that the American right seems to expect in politics, the fair play.

Maybe its due to our comfort and the fact that this sort of political crisis has not happened in America since if not the 1860s, maybe...the 1930s? Or early 20th century? I dunno.

These groups mean what they say, when they talk about abolishing the police, and destroying the country. Of course, they don't want to secede, they want to rule, with no opposition.

As long as they haven't actually killed anyone, a higher level of restraint must be exercised. There've been, last I checked, 29 deaths in the riots after Floyd's death. A lot of the widespread violence hasn't come to anything more than general rioting and looting though; right now Portland is the only place where there's serious national political importance to the immediate conflict.

We saw what happened in the CHAZ once people started actually dying. Some of that was probably also because of the mayor getting some 'personal attention,' but pressure absolutely increased once that started.

The siege in Portland is different than the CHAZ, but a similar principle applies. In saner times, mass arrests would be made with this kind of violent outright riot, but the government of Portland is apparently completely crazy, so that's not happened yet.

Arrests are being made in Portland. Dozens of them, and at least one of them was of someone carrying one of the lasers used to probably-blind some of the Federal officers. The Feds aren't doing nothing. I'd like to see more arrests too, but we are not at the point of lining people up against the wall yet. Hard time in prison is where we're at.

If the rioters siegeing the courthouse in Portland do kill someone, that's when the nature of the game changes. They lose the PR battle with the majority of the public (which they are already losing), and then a drastic escalation of force is justified. If we get to that point, the Feds will probably start making mass arrests.

Also note, that in this information age, the Feds will have both the ability, and the jurisdiction, to track down people involved in the riots, after the riots have ended, and arrest them days, weeks, or months later. Trump knows how to play the long game, and Chad Wolf at least seems to understand that this isn't a one-dimensional conflict either.

If someone gets killed, and the Feds don't escalate in response, then I'll be much more seriously worried.

Also, an unintended side-effect of this that the left probably hasn't thought about, is that they're producing a hardened core of Federal officers who are utterly disgusted with the political left, and want to keep them out of power as much as possible.

And by the way, @The Immortal Watch Dog, Don't be so quick to conclude that Trump is unlikely to win. Obviously bogus leftist polls are the only signs I've seen so far that that's the case.

Conversely, I've heard a great number of accounts of leftists who are going to vote for Trump, and conservatives who weren't willing to gamble in 2016, but are willing to vote for him now. I also heard with my own ears a man talking about how he lied to a pollster about who he was going to vote for, because like hell was he telling a pollster with his name, address, and phone number that he was voting for Trump.
 
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Also, an unintended side-effect of this that the left probably hasn't thought about, is that they're producing a hardened core of Federal officers who are utterly disgusted with the political left, and want to keep them out of power as much as possible.
See here, I'm not too optimistic. These federal police are not ideologically motivated soldiers. They will do what their superiors say, and if their superiors are leftists ordering them to round up Trump supporters, they will. They'd do the same to the left of course, but their not a politically conscious force by themselves, their just state muscle. Which can be used by anyone who actually holds the levers of the state.

Conversely, I've heard a great number of accounts of leftists who are going to vote for Trump, and conservatives who weren't willing to gamble in 2016, but are willing to vote for him now. I also heard with my own ears a man talking about how he lied to a pollster about who he was going to vote for, because like hell was he telling a pollster with his name, address, and phone number that he was voting for Trump.
The problem is, anecdotes like this may give a misleading picture. How many people are still trapped in the CNN bubble? How many people will vote Biden, because "muh orange Hitler", or will just not vote, because they voted for Trump to bring back jobs into their dying town and in a swing state and he just could not.

And by the way, @The Immortal Watch Dog, Don't be so quick to conclude that Trump is unlikely to win. Obviously bogus leftist polls are the only signs I've seen so far that that's the case.
Problem here, is the polls may not be reflective of the whole country, but they do reflect on Trump's weaknesses. The economy being a strength now weakness.
 

LordsFire

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The problem is, anecdotes like this may give a misleading picture. How many people are still trapped in the CNN bubble? How many people will vote Biden, because "muh orange Hitler", or will just not vote, because they voted for Trump to bring back jobs into their dying town and in a swing state and he just could not.

The more important question, is 'how many people are in the CNN bubble now compared to 2016?'

The answer to that is 'Less.' A lot of people have been Red-Pilled away from the left as they reveal their derangement more and more, and Biden is an even weaker candidate than Hillary. And on the flip side, who has been added in? In what ways are the fringe left recruiting new people in? There's some coming out of the indoctrination mills in the education system, but many or most of those were already leftists, and the young are notorious for low voting rates. What subculture or social group have the Democrats actually gained with?

For those of us with our eyes actually open, Trump Actually is a lot better than what the Trump Maybe? uncertainty of 2016 offered. Trump is not ideal, but he's much better than we were worried about.
 

LifeisTiresome

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Those universities/colleges are a waste of cash, eventually people will stop going to them and do homeschooling/online-classes and tradeschools except for the douchebags rioting on the streets right now
And who will do the online classes? Still teachers and teachers are part of Academia and thus left.

As for home-schooling? if all the covid nonsense ends and people go back to work, home schooling dies for the majority cause it requires commitment and actual work and issue we have is tons of single parents. So, not happening.

The democratic party can go fuck itself, well it already is and is increasing its STD levels whilst wallowing in crap
Democratic party are assholes. No question there. But they are left just like the corporations, media and Academia. All working together. Never mind that democrat copies rule Europe. Another source of problems.

The corporations, I think some can still go un-WOKE, though yeah hard to get them to change even with a loss in profits and the heads may just run away with the cash rather than fix the companies. Hopefully, they and their companies get replaced by guys more in line with customers.
Lets hope so.

Hope Trump’s wall’s working and getting through via airports and oceans don’t work as well and that Mexico gets pissed further at being used as a springboard
Has he even built a wall? I'm confused on all of that. He has been able to pull down immigration according to what some online have said and its due to Covid helping him to push measures to slow it down. But for UK, the party of Boris had more immigration then ever apparently.
 

Lanmandragon

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And who will do the online classes? Still teachers and teachers are part of Academia and thus left.

As for home-schooling? if all the covid nonsense ends and people go back to work, home schooling dies for the majority cause it requires commitment and actual work and issue we have is tons of single parents. So, not happening.

Democratic party are assholes. No question there. But they are left just like the corporations, media and Academia. All working together. Never mind that democrat copies rule Europe. Another source of problems.

Lets hope so.


Has he even built a wall? I'm confused on all of that. He has been able to pull down immigration according to what some online have said and its due to Covid helping him to push measures to slow it down. But for UK, the party of Boris had more immigration then ever apparently.
We've been building the wall for awhile now it's up to like 300miles or so.
 

Terthna

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And who will do the online classes? Still teachers and teachers are part of Academia and thus left.
Have you even taken online classes? I took a few on physics years ago, and the teacher may as well have not even existed. You just read the material, complete your assignments, pass some tests, and that's the class. The only thing the teacher did was grade our results, and show up in a chat a few times so we could ask them questions. An AI could have done their job, and not a particularly sophisticated one.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Have you even taken online classes? I took a few on physics years ago, and the teacher may as well have not even existed. You just read the material, complete your assignments, pass some tests, and that's the class. The only thing the teacher did was grade our results, and show up in a chat a few times so we could ask them questions. An AI could have done their job, and not a particularly sophisticated one.

I guess all that’s left is motivation and discipline, though even actual teachers are not necessarily so good at maintaining that
 

Terthna

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I guess all that’s left is motivation and discipline, though even actual teachers are not necessarily so good at maintaining that
That's where I think the future of education is going to be, now that the academic institutions are faltering under the weight of their own hubris; people are going to have to educate themselves, using the tools available to them thanks to the internet.
 

CarlManvers2019

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That's where I think the future of education is going to be, now that the academic institutions are faltering under the weight of their own hubris; people are going to have to educate themselves, using the tools available to them thanks to the internet.

People will have less ability to blame others for their problems or say others have to solve them when they have the solution in their hands at a surprisingly cheap price in-terms of time & money and having the tool already around

This is something for another thread though
 

LifeisTiresome

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We've been building the wall for awhile now it's up to like 300miles or so.
thanks for the headsup then.

Have you even taken online classes? I took a few on physics years ago, and the teacher may as well have not even existed. You just read the material, complete your assignments, pass some tests, and that's the class. The only thing the teacher did was grade our results, and show up in a chat a few times so we could ask them questions. An AI could have done their job, and not a particularly sophisticated one.
No. I have taken something similar. Online training for work and I just press next and next until its done.

But leftists do indoctrination even outside of school. Why do you think drag story hour exists? Many reasons but one of which is indoctrination.





They get away with this and their theories accepted. Hence why I don't feel that oh, we just do online learning and they are defeated. They must be destroyed.

That's where I think the future of education is going to be, now that the academic institutions are faltering under the weight of their own hubris; people are going to have to educate themselves, using the tools available to them thanks to the internet.
Yes, learning for themselves is best.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
As for home-schooling? if all the covid nonsense ends and people go back to work, home schooling dies for the majority cause it requires commitment and actual work and issue we have is tons of single parents. So, not happening.

As someone who was home-schooled, I'll point out that home school has a very strong tendency to produce young adults who have superb academic performance but minimal social skills and nonexistent study habits. It's basically the maximum extreme of being helicopter parented to the point of being absolutely nonfunctional in the real world.

Outside of a handful of edge cases, home-schooling is the opposite of a good solution for anyone.

They get away with this and their theories accepted. Hence why I don't feel that oh, we just do online learning and they are defeated. They must be destroyed.

I will point out here that Money's theory is actually the direct opposite of what the LGBT movement argues about sexual orientation and gender identity -- Money's theory was that gender is a completely artificial social construct with no innate physical basis whatsoever, therefore you can program any child with any gender identity as long as their socialization is consistently managed.
 

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