United States Trump v Biden 2, electric boogaloo

Because at this point I've been listening to people lie about trump for fucking 8 years. 8 years of not simply the boy who cried wolf. but millions of them. and it isn't a where there is smoke there is fire situation. they all just got a fucking brain bug that forces them to lie about him constantly because they hate his personality. even if he supports policies they liked 5 minutes ago they will flip on a dime to go after him. at this point any claim against him requires extraordinary evidence to not be dismissed as simply a political attack. Were I to guess Indy is just hoping for accelerationism or something at this point. I don't know. Guy was going on for a bit there about how he doesn't like either and now is making shit up and posting Vaush vids bringing up old dismissed news while saying that Trump and the Clintons are in a secret pedo cabal or some shit. that is so far down a conspiracy rabbit hole I don't know anymore.
I'm voting for the guy, and generally think the epstein stuff is played up by conspiratards, but if Bill Clinton riding on Epsteins plane is sketchy and proof of guilt then Trump promoting the guy who gave him a crazy plea deal is damning as well.
 
I'm voting for the guy, and generally think the epstein stuff is played up by conspiratards, but if Bill Clinton riding on Epsteins plane is sketchy and proof of guilt then Trump promoting the guy who gave him a crazy plea deal is damning as well.
Do remember Trump wasn't really in charge of most personnel decisions in his admin; Pence was the one who chose who got hired, not Trump, most of the time.

And with what happened on Jan 6th, I absolutely believe Pence was sabotaging Trump the whole time via the personnel choices he made for the Trump Admin, and putting one of the people who helped protect, or was ordered to help protect, Epstein into Trump's admin and promoting him absolutely plausible.

Trump made some bad decisions in is Admin in terms of who he allowed to work for him, or who Pence would allow to work for Trump.

But Clinton never did a damn thing against Epstein, where as Trump tossed him from Mar-a-Lago when he caught him doing pedo shit, and was one of the only people not afraid to testify/talk to investigators about Epstein.
 
Do remember Trump wasn't really in charge of most personnel decisions in his admin; Pence was the one who chose who got hired, not Trump, most of the time.
Except that he was recommended by Don McGahn, the son of a long time Trump lawyer who himself was Trumps campaign lawyer, and not Pence. So nice try.
Trump made some bad decisions in is Admin in terms of who he allowed to work for him, or who Pence would allow to work for Trump.
Again it wasn't Pence
But Clinton never did a damn thing against Epstein, where as Trump tossed him from Mar-a-Lago when he caught him doing pedo shit, and was one of the only people not afraid to testify/talk to investigators about Epstein.
Literal fan fiction
 
Except that he was recommended by Don McGahn, the son of a long time Trump lawyer who himself was Trumps campaign lawyer, and not Pence. So nice try.

Again it wasn't Pence
That's news to me, pretty much all staffing decisions were done by Pence, AFAIK.
Literal fan fiction
Nope, I've seen the interviews regarding Epstein, and they had the bit about Trump being willing to talk to investigators when other's wouldn't out of fear of Epstein.

Also, tossing Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago is rather well known.
 
That's news to me, pretty much all staffing decisions were done by Pence, AFAIK.
Okay? It's not true that pretty much all staffing decisions were Pence, what I said is public information, and anyway you aren't some arbiter of knowledge or insider lol. You're coping because Trump has some shady ass connections and did a shady ass thing.
 
Okay? It's not true that pretty much all staffing decisions were Pence, what I said is public information, and anyway you aren't some arbiter of knowledge or insider lol. You're coping because Trump has some shady ass connections and did a shady ass thing.
I don't have any reason to think Trump is shady for the stuff with Epstein after all that has happened, and the steps he took to help investigators.

Acosta's appointment was odd when it happened, but I think you are reading far too much into it, and he would not be the first of Trump's actual picks to be a bad one. I wasn't thrilled with a few of Trump's picks, but that is a far cry from thinking he's one of the people who was part of Epstein's pedo ring. Trump tossed Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago and helped the people who investigated Epstein when many others who knew Epstein did not/would not.
 

I can't believe it. He did something that's both clever and sensible. Maybe he can actually win this.

Honestly, even most casual conservatives don't even care much about an abortion ban these days.

The RNC is going to change policies a lot as it has to start switching from appealing to the sensibilities of the Silent & Boomer conservatives to Millennial and Gen X conservatives.
 
Considering how apocalyptic everyone on this forum was about abortion, I don't think this news is popular. Politics has degraded to the point that people are choosing positions based on what makes the other side angrier. Except with Leftists, that's the entire point.

Still, Trump really surprised me. I didn't expect his campaign to be so...competent. Within just one week, he's thrown the DNC into disarray without even doing anything.
 
Hopefully he governs more to the center should he win. We need some sensible leadership in this country.
'Governing from the center' and 'sensible leadership' are mutually exclusive.

When the left controls academia, the media, the government bureaucracies, and huge swathes of the NGO/think tank apparatus, 'from the center' always ends up meaning 'from the left.'

Effective leadership requires having something like actual principles. Trying to find a compromise between fundamentally antithetical ideologies is not compatible with this.
 
I'd like to see someone govern from the right for once. It might be fun to give that a try. It's been either extreme far left or moderate as far as I can recall.

Trump might be a exception but he's more democrat from 20 years ago that looks conservative because of how batshit insane the current democrats are.
 
'Governing from the center' and 'sensible leadership' are mutually exclusive.

When the left controls academia, the media, the government bureaucracies, and huge swathes of the NGO/think tank apparatus, 'from the center' always ends up meaning 'from the left.'

Effective leadership requires having something like actual principles. Trying to find a compromise between fundamentally antithetical ideologies is not compatible with this.
You can have principles and still understand that Trump's appeal does cross into the center, and his policies are more centrist than fringe/hardcore GOP, and that there are more than just hardcore conservatives that Trump has to appeal to and govern.

The USA consists of more than just the hardcore GOP and hardcore Left, and if Trump wants the GOP to get the Senate and House too, he cannot only campaign on things that only the hardcore GOP want at the cost of the swing voters in the center.

And swing voters/swing voting areas are not equally distributed, nor is ignoring their views and feelings ever done the GOP any good.
 
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Let them fight. I think that is what Trump is doing. He has been keeping quiet.
Yeah Trump's actually being cold and calculating for once and letting the left eat itself
To be even more on topic, it seems like the Biden cult has been exposed to the point that even liberals like Kyle Kulinski can't ignore it:
 

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