United States Trump (& Kennedy?) v Kamala Harris

[SoliFortissimi]

Leftist social media is completely quiet today. So I presume that either Vance won, or it was a boring stalemate.

So slightly off topic, but how many of you wish to place a bet that Kamala Harris will 'negotiate' an end to this dockworker 'strike' fiasco?

What's the point? Of course she will. She'll just give them whatever they want.

 

[Bigking321]

Leftist social media is completely quiet today. So I presume that either Vance won, or it was a boring stalemate.

Based off what the more right wing sites are saying it was a absolute bloodbath on the level of the Trump Biden debate.

Based off SB and other more left wing sites it's "I don't care what everyone else thinks! Our guy won! Vance is a liar! Can you believe the right is saying the debate was biased because the moderaters broke the debate rules to go after Vance? What snowflakes! I loved it when they muted Vance's mic so he couldn't respond!"

 

[Captain X]

 

[Husky_Khan]

Seems most of the political analysts are slanting towards Vance winning this debate.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/02/vance-walz-who-won-vp-debate-roundtable-00181905

Who won the debate? Inside the VP face off between JD Vance and Tim Walz

Sen. JD Vance appeared to have an edge over Gov. Tim Walz in terms of poise and command of policy.

www.usatoday.com

Who won the Vance-Walz vice-presidential debate?

The restrained debate was a stark contrast to the fiery showdown between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, writes Anthony Zurcher.

www.bbc.com

 

[Rocinante]

Vance fact checking the fact checkers and calling them out for breaking their own rules, and then causing them to break their own rules again by muting the mic - that alone makes Vance the winner as far as I'm concerned. That's going to be what goes around the most on social media.

 

[Jormungandr]

I love it when they do this: It just shows these creatures' true natures to even the most braindead viewer out there. This is a case of "cutting out a man's tongue because you're afraid of what he's going to say" and all.

 

[Captain X]

 

[Jormungandr]

Jesus, this is getting to the point where Leftist and Democrat politicians and figures are proverbially sticking their dicks and balls into blenders while thinking it's a 4D Chess move.

 

[Skallagrim]

What this debate shows is how shit both parties are at selecting decent Presidential candidates-- the VP candidates are, by all metrics, far more serious people. Walz has his clear weaknesses, but he's ludicrously more convincing than Harris. And Vance is fairly young and the relative inexperience sometimes shows in how he presents himself and his arguments, but he's a much better debater than Trump. (Mind you, Trump is great at "shitposting in real life", but that's not really the same thing...)

If the MAGA movement had someone like Vance for President, but with 10 years more experience, they'd win in a landslide.

Frankly, even right now, Vance versus Walz would be a far more interesting race than Trump versus Harris.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Then Vance won. Gotta admit, I didn't know he had it in him.

Also, the leftist attack vector seems to have crystallized. It's simply attacking Vance for attacking fact checkers.

 

[Jormungandr]

Then Vance won. Gotta admit, I didn't know he had it in him.

Also, the leftist attack vector seems to have crystallized. It's simply attacking Vance for attacking fact checkers.

They don't seem to understand that by doing this, they're literally proving their critics correct, and everyone outside of the braindead Leftists [no hope for those people] are being shown their true colours.

 

[Buba]

Confucius say - "u ken leed a leftard to knowledge, but u no ken make it dlink".

 

[Bacle]

I think jihadi's from Michigan are going to be a threat to the US in the rather near future, given Israel isn't holding back anymore.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I expect it in more than 1 state. Fundamental Muslim enclaves exist in more than a couple places.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

Vance fact checking the fact checkers and calling them out for breaking their own rules, and then causing them to break their own rules again by muting the mic - that alone makes Vance the winner as far as I'm concerned. That's going to be what goes around the most on social media.

Not just that but that point onwards it was practically Vance and Walz vs. the moderators there. Obviously they took potshots at one another, yet they both did rather well and spoke well. Honestly I thought Walz would have been a disaster as the liberal media keeps acting as if he is a terrible debater but he did rather well. Perhaps that's because Vance held back, perhaps not, but Walz most certainly did well out there against Vance and against those damned moderators.

What this debate shows is how shit both parties are at selecting decent Presidential candidates-- the VP candidates are, by all metrics, far more serious people. Walz has his clear weaknesses, but he's ludicrously more convincing than Harris. And Vance is fairly young and the relative inexperience sometimes shows in how he presents himself and his arguments, but he's a much better debater than Trump. (Mind you, Trump is great at "shitposting in real life", but that's not really the same thing...)

If the MAGA movement had someone like Vance for President, but with 10 years more experience, they'd win in a landslide.

Frankly, even right now, Vance versus Walz would be a far more interesting race than Trump versus Harris.

That's why I think Trump chose him as VP. He could have took Vivek, or some other old ass, but he chose Vance due to his youth and inexperience. Honestly? watching him out there kinda gave me Kennedy vibes with his whole "we need to be better." shill. Perhaps given the time he could become the Republican Kennedy?

Then Vance won. Gotta admit, I didn't know he had it in him.

Also, the leftist attack vector seems to have crystallized. It's simply attacking Vance for attacking fact checkers.

Never really Understood fact checkers. Doesn't matter which side they come from let the man finish his argument first. Or at the very LEAST let him respond to it.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Never really Understood fact checkers

Because viewers hate it when the other side's politicians lie during a debate and get away with it.

 

[Vyor]

Not just that but that point onwards it was practically Vance and Walz vs. the moderators there. Obviously they took potshots at one another, yet they both did rather well and spoke well. Honestly I thought Walz would have been a disaster as the liberal media keeps acting as if he is a terrible debater but he did rather well. Perhaps that's because Vance held back, perhaps not, but Walz most certainly did well out there against Vance and against those damned moderators.

wat?

 

[IndyFront]

God damn this debate really reversed my opinion of Tim Walz. I thought he was a good guy and I liked that he didn't blame mass shootings on the mentally ill unlike most liberals, but dammit - if you're running for Vice President of the United States of America you should really know how to debate. Honestly at this point I'm convinced the Democrats are trying to lose and they secretly love Trump. It's the only thing that makes sense to me right now.

 

[prinCZess]

My brain remains broken from Walz, former social studies teacher, invoking hate speech like its some doctrine and, most of all, 'fire in a crowded theater'.

Hearing the latter has been my handy-dandy guideline for knowing someone lacks enough understanding of the 1st Amendment protections and case-law around it to be constructively engaged with. Using it as a standard means they have accepted a misshapen and distorted policy constructed to punish war protestors for their views and either don't know or don't care that it was repealed and also used to enable gov't overreach and imprisonment-for-speech that every American should oppose.

The *social studies teacher* fucked that one up.
I'm...almost impressed.

 

[Vyor]

I thought he was a good guy and I liked that he didn't blame mass shootings on the mentally ill unlike most liberals,

wat? Libs always blame the guns though?