United States Trump 2nd Term - Planning and Beyond

[Blasterbot]

Carriers are just floating targets now against anyone with significant drone and missile capacity. I remind you..you were driven out of the red sea by Yemen and the USS Truman is out of commission. You think China will be any easier?




Why would that be? They have the shipyard capacity to build anything, so why wouldnt they be able to build them on a scale beyond your wildest nightmares? I remind you again..you have a total of 100,000 tonnes of shipyard capacity. They have 23 million.

Still..the carriers day as the dominant fleet ship is over.

if the commie country known for lying about its capabilities is actually capable of what it says that would be a problem. thankfully Orange Man is working at solving our domestic issues to deal with that.

how is Canada doing? Alberta is having an interesting time I hear.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

if the commie country known for lying about its capabilities is actually capable of what it says that would be a problem. thankfully Orange Man is working at solving our domestic issues to deal with that.

how is Canada doing? Alberta is having an interesting time I hear.

How is LA these days eh?

You have a long way to go to resove 100,000 tonnes vs 23 million tonnes of shipyard capacity

 

[LordsFire]

Carriers are just floating targets now against anyone with significant drone and missile capacity. I remind you..you were driven out of the red sea by Yemen and the USS Truman is out of commission. You think China will be any easier?




Why would that be? They have the shipyard capacity to build anything, so why wouldnt they be able to build them on a scale beyond your wildest nightmares? I remind you again..you have a total of 100,000 tonnes of shipyard capacity. They have 23 million.

Still..the carriers day as the dominant fleet ship is over.

1. People have been claiming the day of the Carrier is over for a long, long time. It may be true some day, but that day has not yet come.

2. The capabilities of drones at sea vs on land, and against an actual modern military vs the Russian or Ukrainian militaries are very different. Most relevantly, a Carrier can and does as standard operating procedure launch sorties from beyond the effective range of low and low-mid tier drones, and the anti-missile defense tactics and technology that have been developed for a half-century are relevant against higher-tier drones. Even if the Chinese somehow sneakily manage deploy low-cost drone swarms inside effective range somehow, the sheer power of modern naval radar and ECM could cook a lot of those, and dedicated anti-drone DEW is already past the prototyping phase.

3. Drones have not made 'conventional air power obsolete; they so far have acted as a compliment, rather than a replacement. Simply put, drones can't operate at the altitudes and speeds of modern combat aircraft, and guided glide bombs are even cheaper than any drone that can carry an equivalent payload.

4. Chinese shipbuilding capacity will not be relevant once war begins, because either they'll have the fleet and air power to win in the opening phases, or that ship-building capacity will be destroyed in the opening phases. This is not WWII, where strategic bombing is difficult, high-risk, and inaccurate. Ballistic missiles and airstrikes can and will wipe out key military industry in a matter of hours; weeks and months to build and launch new ships at even the fastest of speeds is functionally irrelevant.

I'll reiterate; if the CCP doesn't cause China to implode in the near future, than in another 10-20 years, they might have the standing military needed to win in the opening phases of war. But as things stand, most of their military is using cheaper knock-offs of mid or late cold-war soviet hardware. They're certainly producing new stuff, but they do not have it in the numbers to meaningfully compete with the US in the air or at sea right now.

And all of this is without getting into the likely issues of corruption damage to performance in Chinese military hardware.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

1. People have been claiming the day of the Carrier is over for a long, long time. It may be true some day, but that day has not yet come.

2. The capabilities of drones at sea vs on land, and against an actual modern military vs the Russian or Ukrainian militaries are very different. Most relevantly, a Carrier can and does as standard operating procedure launch sorties from beyond the effective range of low and low-mid tier drones, and the anti-missile defense tactics and technology that have been developed for a half-century are relevant against higher-tier drones. Even if the Chinese somehow sneakily manage deploy low-cost drone swarms inside effective range somehow, the sheer power of modern naval radar and ECM could cook a lot of those, and dedicated anti-drone DEW is already past the prototyping phase.

3. Drones have not made 'conventional air power obsolete; they so far have acted as a compliment, rather than a replacement. Simply put, drones can't operate at the altitudes and speeds of modern combat aircraft, and guided glide bombs are even cheaper than any drone that can carry an equivalent payload.

This isnt about drones. China has actual antishipping missiles capable of hitting carriers and lots of them. You were unable to stop Yemen from driving you out of the red sea and damaging the Truman. You wont stop the chinese from inflicting considerable damage

4. Chinese shipbuilding capacity will not be relevant once war begins, because either they'll have the fleet and air power to win in the opening phases, or that ship-building capacity will be destroyed in the opening phases. This is not WWII, where strategic bombing is difficult, high-risk, and inaccurate. Ballistic missiles and airstrikes can and will wipe out key military industry in a matter of hours; weeks and months to build and launch new ships at even the fastest of speeds is functionally irrelevant.

A laughable assumption. China has its own significant air force and air defenses. And there is ALOT of shipbuilding capacity for you to take out. You'll have no more luck destroying it all than the Japanese had at pearl harbour.

And you are forgetting one thing..China has its own ballistic missiles and the USA has very little domestic air defense. They would take out your shipbuilding far easier than you could take out theirs.

I'll reiterate; if the CCP doesn't cause China to implode in the near future, than in another 10-20 years, they might have the standing military needed to win in the opening phases of war. But as things stand, most of their military is using cheaper knock-offs of mid or late cold-war soviet hardware. They're certainly producing new stuff, but they do not have it in the numbers to meaningfully compete with the US in the air or at sea right now.

And all of this is without getting into the likely issues of corruption damage to performance in Chinese military hardware.

The USA would indeed win a naval fight right now..though not w/o serious losses. But it wont be because of your carriers, it will be because of your submarines. Your subs are excellent, and china's subs are old and noisy and they dont have alot of them

But I want to point out one thing..in 2024 China added 20 construction slips to its naval shipyard of Bohai, and these slips are designed for building submarines. Not cheap low tech knockoffs. New, modern attack submarines.

 

[Vyor]

This isnt about drones. China has actual antishipping missiles capable of hitting carriers and lots of them.

They claim to have them. They don't, as a matter of fact, actually have them. The ones they do have are... GPS guided. We know where their satellites are and can blow them up with ease.

You were unable to stop Yemen from driving you out of the red sea and damaging the Truman.

This didn't actually happen.

 

[Abhorsen]

You don't seem to understand that gallows have existed since time immemorial.

I get that you doubt the political will to really act as needed, but that's now. If California tries to break apart the Union, it'll be the end of them. Just think of the way that would go over. It would be the second time that the Democrats plunged America into civil war, and there sure as fuck wouldn't get to be third time.

The issue is that they won't try to leave. They'll keep fucking it up from inside. They need to be forcefully expelled, and the only practical way to do that, which is at all politically viable, is telling them to leave as an entire state.

Expelling California is a net gain for the US, in the same way adding Canada would be awful for the US.

You would end up with two red states (Jefferson, 'Central California') + two purple states ('North California', leaning blue, and 'South California', leaning red) and two blue states (Silicon Valley + West California). As said on the last page though, were I the one redrawing the map, I would prefer splitting North California up between Jefferson (taking its western counties) and Central Cali (taking Sacramento & the eastern counties) while also merging Silicon Valley & West California. That produces Four Californias instead - three red (with Sacramento's political power neutralized at the cost of making Jefferson/Central California 'only' a fairly deep crimson instead of blood-red), or at worst two red and one red-leaning purple depending on how blue Orange County turns in due time, and one blue.

Even 'red' california is to the left of most republicans though. That's what people don't seem to realize. It's handing power to the left. Now you have 4 socialists senators, 4 democrats from the purple leaning places (as California purple is basically blue), and 4 Romneys.

We want Cali to have less power, not more.

 

[strunkenwhite]

That idiot sacrificed his dignity, his company, and his wealth, all for nothing. I hope he lands himself a place in the history books as an example of what happens when businessmen get involved in politics.

My dude, the other guy on the stage is also a businessman who got involved in politics.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

My dude, the other guy on the stage is also a businessman who got involved in politics.

And we're all suffering for it. That idiot has done more damage to free trade than any Democrat since LBJ.

 

[DarthOne]

Mexico's president is telling Mexican's in the US to 'mobilize' because of the taxes on remittances.

We should treat Mexico like the terrorist state it is, and treat the Mexican gov the same way we treated the Taliban, if this is the angle this bitch and her backers want to take.

Remember that Sheinbaum is also actively changing the Mexican constitution right now to protect the cartels from the US military. She should be considered a hostile adversary of the US and treated accordingly.

BREAKING: MEXICO JUST DECLARED HYBRID WAR ON THE UNITED STATES
By invoking the mobilization of foreign nationals within U.S. territory to subvert American fiscal sovereignty, Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum has effectively declared an asymmetric war on the United States. This is not diplomacy. This is fifth-generation warfare—economic, demographic, and psychological—all deployed under the guise of "remittance protection."

Let's be clear: the United States has the absolute sovereign right to impose tariffs or taxes on cross-border financial flows, especially when those funds are supporting drug cartels, human trafficking networks, and paramilitary NGOs that destabilize the homeland. The $60+ billion in annual remittances from the U.S. to Mexico are not just economic transactions—they are a strategic lifeline for the Mexican state and its narcoterrorist parallel economy.

By urging foreign nationals—many of whom are illegally residing in the United States—to "mobilize" against U.S. policy, Sheinbaum has stepped into open sedition. This is foreign-directed insurgency.
This isn't protest. It's a hostile occupation force, camouflaged in civilian clothing.

Military-Strategic Implications:
•Claudia Sheinbaum is not acting alone. Her statement echoes the globalist, Soros-linked doctrine of weaponized migration, which views U.S. borders not as boundaries, but as soft targets.
•The U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) already holds active contingency plans for border destabilization and pre-identified high-value targets inside Mexico, including cartel infrastructure, comms hubs, and critical government nodes and the presidency itself.
•Under Title 10 and Title 50 joint authorities, a hybrid counterforce doctrine could be activated immediately—blending CIA covert ops, cyber denial, and kinetic strikes to neutralize state-sanctioned insurgency.

If Mexico wishes to escalate this to a theater of conflict, then so be it. We've fought far larger empires with far fewer tools. The United States Space Force, NSA, and DoD Cyber Command are already tracking cross-border digital coordination patterns. Sheinbaum's open mouth just gave them legal justification to take off the gloves.

Strategic Doctrine Update:

This is "Operation Reverse Cortez"—and it doesn't end with warnings. We will allow these proxies to march, chant, and expose themselves on American soil. We'll watch. We'll listen. Then we'll respond—decisively. Mexico's sovereignty ends the moment it becomes a launchpad for an undeclared invasion.

If the Mexican state continues down this suicidal path, the solution may no longer be "dialogue" or "containment." The solution may be annexation. That's not provocation—that's civilizational defense.

 

[Zachowon]

We know Chinese stiff works thanks to the India Pakistan conflict earlier

 

[DarthOne]

Leftist rioter burns American flag in LA.

"My Mexican flag. Green, white, and red! That's my flag! Not this flag. Fúck this flag! I pledge allegiance to Mexico. Nobody else. Not this country."

Mexicans in Phoenix scream "viva la raza!" (long live our race) in response to the deportation of illegals. They are waving Mexican flags. This foreign army is exposing itself for what it is really is.

A majority of Mexicans support 'Reconquista,' they genuinely believe that California is Mexican land. These ones are waving their flags because they don't want to be American, they want to demographically conquer America & they should be treated like the invaders they are

BREAKING: LAPD Chief Admits Professional Left-Wing Anarchists Are Fueling the Violence in Los Angeles Riots

This reeks of a Soros op.

LAPD Chief Jim McDonnell just exposed what many already suspected—the chaos unfolding in Los Angeles is being escalated by professional leftist agitators:

"When I look at the people who are out there doing the violence, that's not the people that we [see] during the day."

"These are people who are all hooded up. They've got a hoodie on. They've got face masks on. They're people who do this all the time."

"Get away with whatever they can. Go out there from one civil unrest situation to another, using the same or similar tactics frequently."

"They are connected. Some would call them anarchists."

"They're people that we run across routinely, city to city, and this is what they do."

"Many of the people who are doing this come in from other places just to hurt people and to cause havoc."

This isn't spontaneous. It's organized, and it's designed to burn the city to the ground.

CHIRLA has the EIN of 954421521. Most of its private funding appears to be from DAFs, which are the hardest to trace. However 34 million of its reported 45 million in revenue are from government grants.

Just so you know, the pro-illegal immigration riots in Los Angeles are government-funded

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1931693724754391040/vid/avc1/486x270/2ESif4hbZhcFGpeq.mp4

Kamala Harris praises group behind LA anti-ICE riots for their "work and fight." - Their "mission is one of the main reasons I ran to become a Senator." - This was during her first appearance as a Senator-Elect in 2016 which she chose to have at CHIRLA headquarters.

BREAKING: Leaks Now Coming Out Saying Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass Interferred In LAPD Operations Yesterday & Prevented Police From Responding To @ICEgov Agents Calls For Assistance When They Were Overrun By Violent Leftist Rioters!

defendthelapd
Last night, when DHS and FBI requested assistance because they were overwhelmed by rioters, LAPD sat idle waiting for direction. Instead of allowing the Incident Commander to act, Mayor Karen Bass bypassed established protocol—she called the IC for a briefing, then called the Chief of Police to tell him what to do. By personally directing operations, Bass functioned as a de facto Incident Commander, in direct conflict with the City's Emergency Operations Plan and National Incident Management System (NIMS) protocols. This breach of the chain of command prevented the Incident Commander from making crucial
operational decisions, put DHS officers, FBI agents, and community members at risk, and delayed immediate LAPD support .

This unprecedented political interference demands a federal investigation into potential endangerment of federal personnel and obstruction of emergency response.

defendthelapd This is f'ing serious. The Feds need this info quickly.

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1931869590335947146

#BREAKING: The Department of Defense just announced 500 ACTIVE DUTY MARINES are now PREPARING TO DEPLOY to Los Angeles as riots intensify

DO IT, @SecDef!

TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY!

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1931948127029793165

#BREAKING: Multiple businesses are now being LOOTED in Downtown Los Angeles, including the Jordan Flagship Store

So rioters are now stealing SHOES in the name of "social justice."

Beyond pathetic.

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1932046509572321410

I cannot believe this is real.

ABC reporter says not to bring in law enforcement to the LA riots because "it's just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn."

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1931913511665385754

#BREAKING: Rioters are launching EXPLOSlVES at LAPD on horseback, scaring and possibly injuring the horses

These people are freaking SICK

Not NEARLY enough arrests!

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1931908840095920411

BREAKING: Los Angeles rioters have set a police cruiser on fire by lighting objects and dropping them from the overpass.

California Highway Patrol is trapped in the underpass as rioters throw scooters and other projectiles at them.

MEANWHILE, IN LEFTIST LAND:

https://x.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1931925471169765616

Keith Olbermann
CALL IT WHAT IT IS: This is Trump's Terrorist Attack on L.A. and his terrorist threat to the rest of us

He sent the Guard to provoke, to terrorize protestors and migrants

California to sue Trump over National Guard presence after night of violent, anti-ICE protests

President Trump is "putting fuel on this fire, ever since he announced he was taking over the National Guard — an illegal act, an immoral act, an unconstitutional act," California Gov. Gavin Newsom said.

justthenews.com

California to sue Trump over National Guard presence after night of violent, anti-ICE protests


I'm seeing people saying this is the DNC's plan for the Midterms. They are claiming all this to try and take Trump to court for sending in the Guard when he 'didn't need to'. And that Trump caused the violence by raiding places.

Which is nonsense, especially given various Democrat politicians and so on cheering the rioters on from the start or even beforehand.

 

[Zachowon]

The guard thing is woerd since he used Title 10 instead of insurrection act, which is even weirder since he would have to claim national emergency or Insurrection act to send the Marines

 

[mrttao]

California being conquered by mexico is going to be pure cinema.
All those libtards and wokies meeting up with the cartels will be hilarious. and very quick.

 

[Abhorsen]

California being conquered by mexico is going to be pure cinema.
All those libtards and wokies meeting up with the cartels will be hilarious. and very quick.

I want it on record that I fully support Mexico conquering California, but they have to keep the inhabitants. I just wish they could continue up thru and take Seattle and Portland too.

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

Mexico is also very much more openly classist than the US, and overall more conservative. Also more police corruption and brutality against normies.

The strawberries might be their version of wokies, but they're still actively derided.

California would hate being under the Mexican boot. Especially in the transition.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

China has more people, they have more industry and even with the issues that industry has that industry is more present and there,

One minor problem. China's own people are currently burning down their own manufacturing industry...on a weekly...almost daily basis. So Chinese production sounds strong...if you like making lots of shitty things.

Why would that be? They have the shipyard capacity to build anything, so why wouldnt they be able to build them on a scale beyond your wildest nightmares? I remind you again..you have a total of 100,000 tonnes of shipyard capacity. They have 23 million.

Still..the carriers day as the dominant fleet ship is over.

B/C that would require they have a building standard that is capable and sustainable. They really don't.

And tell me you don't understand naval warfare without directly telling me so. Gotcha.

Even if the Chinese somehow sneakily manage deploy low-cost drone swarms inside effective range somehow, the sheer power of modern naval radar and ECM could cook a lot of those, and dedicated anti-drone DEW is already past the prototyping phase.

Even if they manage that, US Nuke Carriers can OUTRUN any current drone swarm.

Chinese shipbuilding capacity will not be relevant once war begins, because either they'll have the fleet and air power to win in the opening phases, or that ship-building capacity will be destroyed in the opening phases.

THIS. Can't build shit if your facilities get blown up.

A laughable assumption. China has its own significant air force and air defenses. And there is ALOT of shipbuilding capacity for you to take out. You'll have no more luck destroying it all than the Japanese had at pearl harbour.

Sure....sure...just like the Russians...

Also, strangle the imports to China and you strangle any shipbuilding AS WELL AS the needed supplies to keep their fast fleet operational.

But I want to point out one thing..in 2024 China added 20 construction slips to its naval shipyard of Bohai, and these slips are designed for building submarines. Not cheap low tech knockoffs. New, modern attack submarines.

You keep telling yourself that they're modern...I'm sure that will make it so they don't just sink sitting by a pier.

And we're all suffering for it. That idiot has done more damage to free trade than any Democrat since LBJ.

Free trade is just another way for other countries to take advantage of the US.

 

[LordsFire]

This isnt about drones. China has actual antishipping missiles capable of hitting carriers and lots of them. You were unable to stop Yemen from driving you out of the red sea and damaging the Truman. You wont stop the chinese from inflicting considerable damage

The 'anti-shipping missiles will obsolete carriers' hype has been going on for a long-ass time. It's nothing new, and it hasn't panned out in the past.

Further, US military technology for countering threats like cruise missiles has been steadily developing over the last 30 years, while Russian technology very nearly (but not completely) stagnated after the USSR collapsed, and the Chinese have only caught up with Russian technology in the last 10 years or so.

Cruise missiles are a completely known threat against ships, particular carriers. This is 1950's/60's technology originally, not something revolutionary or new. Sure, there have been developments along the way; missile-mounted penetration aids, sea-skimming missiles, and more, but counters for those have been developed along the way too. You're acting like 'the Chinese have anti-shipping missiles' means the carriers are guaranteed to get either sunk or forced out of theater, when that's far from the truth.

Even if we completely set aside issues of corruption and quality control, historically, communist countries produce shitty war machines compared to what the free world does. From the start of the Cold War, American/NATO machines tended to be better, though the gap was relatively narrow at the start, it got broader and broader as time went on.

Is it possible China will buck that trend? In theory, yes?

Is it likely? Given that all the factors that made Soviet hardware inferior to western hardware are still in play, it is not likely at all.


In the first place, we know for a fact that US/NATO missile defense technology is better. There's no clear indication that the Chinese have meaningfully capable missile-interception technology at all.

We know that at a minimum, the J-20 is inferior in stealth capability to the F-22 and F-35, due to its known size and shape. We also know they've had very serious other issues, such as making engines good enough to have it perform adequately, much less give those engines any meaningful length of service life.

We know that the Chinese have struggled to develop the skills for competently conducting carrier launch and recovery operations, something the US is the undisputed master of.

We know that US/NATO military hardware hilariously outperformed Russian military hardware in Ukraine, especially in missile and air defense technology. Given China has struggled to meet the quality of Russia in this, much less surpass it, this is strongly indicative. It is possible their most recent generation of hardware exceeds Russian hardware, but even if that is the case, it's extremely unlikely it does so by a large enough margin to catch up with US/NATO hardware.

We know that the Chinese Navy has not conducted combat operations in something like 40 years. The same is true of their air force, and mostly so for their army.

I could go on, but I'll leave it here for now.

Almost all indicators are that if the PLAN/PLAAF and the USN/USAF come into conflict, it will most likely be a crushing defeat for the Chinese. Your point about relative build capacity is arguably the only indicator in China's favor, and it isn't an irrelevant indicator, but it is not remotely sufficient by itself.


In short, no, the Chinese navy and air force are not in a position to dethrone the US military, not through anything but blithering incompetence on the part of US leadership. Which, granted, is not out of the question given the continuing existence of the Democrat Party, but the corruption and incompetence of the CCP is far more likely to be a deciding factor.


The fact that you think the Houthis drove the USN out of the Red Sea really shows how out of touch with reality on the subject you are.

 

[DarthOne]

This Was All Part of Their Plan: Democrat Senator Calls for Nationwide Street Protests on MSNBC (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Democrat Senator Chris Murphy called for nationwide street protests following the massive destruction and violence by leftist, pro-Palestinian, and illegal alien riots in Los Angeles over the weekend.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This Was All Part of Their Plan: Democrat Senator Calls for Nationwide Street Protests on MSNBC (VIDEO)

BREAKING: Maxine Waters claims there has been "NO VIOLENCE" during these riots!
This woman is DELUSIONAL!

The Blame for Every Single Second of LA Chaos Can Be Laid Directly at the Feet of Biden, Newsom & Co.

redstate.com

The Blame for Every Single Second of LA Chaos Can Be Laid Directly at the Feet of Biden, Newsom & Co.

Did you know these bricks, bags of rocks and cinder blocks are being stored in the back lot of the Contemporary Art Museum..
And guess who just happens to be on the board there?
Karen Bass.
You can't make this sh*t up.
@MayorOfLA

 

[mrttao]

BREAKING: Maxine Waters claims there has been "NO VIOLENCE" during these riots!
This woman is DELUSIONAL!

Not Delusional, no. She is simply a Liar.

Never ascribe to stupidity that which can be attributed to human malice.
ESPECIALLY when dealing with Polyticks

 

[DarthOne]

Not Delusional, no. She is simply a Liar.

Never ascribe to stupidity that which can be attributed to human malice.
ESPECIALLY when dealing with Polyticks

I know that, I’m just quoting the dude.