Resolved TOS Question and Abuse of Policies on Other Forums

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Can't find a proper introduction thread or subforum but here goes nothing. First of all, Hi, long time forumer, mostly from Comic Book rumbles and Naruto Forums but I've been an off and on user/lurker of SB since 2005. The uhh..descent of that site into insanity, hysteria and madness prompted me to come here and check it out.

Any way, moving beyond that, I've been heaped on and slandered and maligned the same way many of you are and it'll be interesting to see how this civil and intelligent discussion thing goes.

One thing concerns me..it seems like your TOS implies you believe you have the legal right to slander, defame and IP plunder users carte blanche..and that merely joining this site robs us of the right to defend ourselves in court should we feel your actions merit that. Say, if you decided to call someone a Nazi, dox them and then attempt to swat or get them fired or evicted using personal info you believe pertains to me taken from this site...That you'd be well within your rights to do so and would be immune from any legal repercussions.

I do not understand this, as it seems to fly in the face of both the spirit of the laws enacted to prevent LLC's from being battered by frivolous lawsuits but also the spirit of your very own mission statement.

I'd like some clarification on that..as its rather, disturbing in it's implications.

I ask this because I've had to deal with renegade members of the staff of another website colluding with users in an attempt to completely destroy my personal life, which did go as far as a dox and then beyond into an outright attempt on my life and while I don't think that'll happen here since none of you seem like maniacs.

It was a little confounding.

Any way, thank you gents and nice set up.

 

[Deleted member]

The Sietch is run as a business arm of an actual company incorporated under the laws of New Hampshire in the United States. The TOS language is all stuff you would find buried in those huge agreements you see at facebook, google, etc, and worded a bit differently for Canada over at a place like Sufficient Velocity. I cannot run a business without the legal protection one needs in this day and age, and without having that language there I do not have those protections.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The Sietch is run as a business arm of an actual company incorporated under the laws of New Hampshire in the United States. The TOS language is all stuff you would find buried in those huge agreements you see at facebook, google, etc, and worded a bit differently for Canada over at a place like Sufficient Velocity. I cannot run a business without the legal protection one needs in this day and age, and without having that language there I do not have those protections.

And facebook and none of those silicon valley rat houses are exempt from lawsuits or slandering or plundering their userbase without consequence. Recent lawsuits brought by people as crazy as Laura Loomer have proven that much. So if you're saying that's simple jargon protection that's a rather stellar example of a non answer.

Do you feel you are entitled to say, do and conduct yourself however you wish against us? And believe that exempts you from being held accountable for those acts and words? All actions and words taken and used against us?

 

[Spartan303]

And facebook and none of those silicon valley rat houses are exempt from lawsuits or slandering or plundering their userbase. Recent lawsuits brought by people as crazy as Laura Loomer have proven that much. So if you're saying that's simple jargon protection that's a rather stellar example of a non answer.

Do you feel you are entitled to say, do and conduct yourself however you wish against us? And believe that exempts you from being held accountable for those acts and words? All actions and words taken and used against us?

I'm curious. Does Naruto forums not have something similar? I haven't been to the site so I don't know. But from my understanding most forums like this operate in a similar manner. So why the accusation?

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I'm curious. Does Naruto forums not have something similar? I haven't been to the site so I don't know. But from my understanding most forums like this operate in a similar manner. So why the accusation?

Naruto Forums is such a disaster it was literally run by a dude who died months before anyone found out. So if they even have a TOS anymore is anyone's guess. Its half way to the grave half the time due to random changes to the sites set up that throttle the server or bounce tens of thousands of accounts or whatever.

And it's hardly an accusation Spartan. If I wanted to levy an accusation Spartan I would just accuse you of something openly. That's how I dealt with you on Spacebattles whenever I thought you were enabling the destruction of the vs section with your thin skinned modding after all

I'm just curious. I actually dont think any of you represent a threat to anyone because you wouldn't want to do to others what was done to you on SB. But the wording had.always confused me.

Mostly because it seems like its there for the illusion of protection rather than protection.

That's what I'm referring too.

 

[Deleted member]

And facebook and none of those silicon valley rat houses are exempt from lawsuits or slandering or plundering their userbase without consequence. Recent lawsuits brought by people as crazy as Laura Loomer have proven that much. So if you're saying that's simple jargon protection that's a rather stellar example of a non answer.

Do you feel you are entitled to say, do and conduct yourself however you wish against us? And believe that exempts you from being held accountable for those acts and words? All actions and words taken and used against us?

I feel entitled to conduct myself according to the laws of the State of New Hampshire, subject to the jurisdiction of the County of Rockingham, as an agent of the owner of the BLM LLC. The Constitution of New Hampshire has been continuously in force since 1784 and is a good, practical state, which conservative, sensible traditions. Its Business Law and courts are reasonable and fair, and the owner of Belter Alliance Media LLC operates in accordance with the law. The policies of the board reflect the intent of the board. The TOS reflects the recommendations of legal counsel.

 

[Erwin_Pommel]

then beyond into an outright attempt on my life

The fuck? What kind of hellhole site were you using?

 

[Spartan303]

Naruto Forums is such a disaster it was literally run by a dude who died months before anyone found out. So if they even have a TOS anymore is anyone's guess. Its half way to the grave half the time due to random changes to the sites set up that throttle the server or bounce tens of thousands of accounts or whatever.

And it's hardly an accusation Spartan. If I wanted to levy an accusation Spartan I would just accuse you of something openly. That's how I dealt with you on Spacebattles whenever I thought you were enabling the destruction of the vs section with your thin skinned modding after all

I'm just curious. I actually dont think any of you represent a threat to anyone because you wouldn't want to do to others what was done to you on SB. But the wording had.always confused me.

Mostly because it seems like its there for the illusion of protection rather than protection.

That's what I'm referring too.

Dude, you had no idea of the disaster that was VS debates. You call it thin skinned Moderation, I call it enforcement of the rules. But there is no sense Traveling down memory lane. Not a good subject for either of us. But here you won't have many of the issues you had there.

The fuck? What kind of hellhole site were you using?

I too would like to know this.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I feel entitled to conduct myself according to the laws of the State of New Hampshire, subject to the jurisdiction of the County of Rockingham. The Constitution of New Hampshire has been continuously in force since 1784 and is a good, practical state, which conservative, sensible traditions. Its Business Law and courts are reasonable and fair, and the owner of Belter Alliance Media LLC operates in accordance with the law. The policies of the board reflect the intent of the board. The TOS reflects the recommendations of legal counsel.

HAH! Thank you for that carefully worded by the book answer.

And for the record I really wasnt trying to do anything except gain some clarification. It certainly proves everything they said about you being daring, right.wing extremists to be utter nonsense.

Those particular TOS polices are a kinda universal now and they have always confused me because they rely on the legal precedent of no one wealthy or crazy enough to drag a company through courts on various legal grounds and thus don't really have anything going against them.

But the wording, especially the third party arbitration bit always struck me as untenable.

The fuck? What kind of hellhole site were you using?

Dude I modded on a forum where the sites chief admin wasnt clear on why we should ban a dude who confessed to murder in a convo thread, who was later one of the 6 or so moviecodec posters the FBI grabbed for among other things murder

As stupid as SB got at times. It at least didnt go down the rabbit hole of crazy some other sites did.

Dude, you had no idea of the disaster that was VS debates. You call it thin skinned Moderation, I call it enforcement of the rules. But there is no sense Traveling down memory lane. Not a good subject for either of us. But here you won't have many of the issues you had there.

I mean your fellow mods shielded Ywach and Gojira and the idiots who wank to worm. Whatever enforcement you tried to levy musta been sabotaged at every corner.

I can sympathize with that at least having dealt with that in one form or another as a mod myself.

I just remember thinking you were treating the symptom not the disease. Because the people doing the flaming were responding to outrageous fantardism that I guess you couldn't do anything about because of.your peers.

Which yeah that's awful and it's a miracle you put up with that crap for so long.

I too would like to know this.

Its depressingly common now a days sadly.

The mods on manga fox back when it had a forum accused its vs debaters of debating a user into suicide and then persisted in calling us murderers even when the user we supposedly "killed" was actively shouting at them in threads.

It was surreal.

Staff on NF got caught trying to get a critic of theirs fired in a mass leak that was published some six years ago.

CBR did similar nonsense in response to people criticizing their overly PC approach to modding.

It goes on and on.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

By the way Spartan I think I actually reported some of those Moviecodec whackos to uhh Archon I think it was and an S mod. Because they were raiding Vs

And they basically ignored it.

And then those guys all either got thrown in prison or went off the grid. So SB dodged a hell of a bullet there compared to what they did on other sites.

 

[Jormungandr]

Naruto Forums is such a disaster it was literally run by a dude who died months before anyone found out. [,,,]

...Is it horrible to say I actually found that funny for a moment on reading this?

The owner was literally dead and in the ground... and no-one knew?

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

...Is it horrible to say I actually found that funny for a moment on reading this?

The owner was literally dead and in the ground... and no-one knew?

No the site owner randomly handed control of the entire sites backend technical stuff to a dude who promptly locked him out of editing and working his own site and then proceeded to fuck off to a tropical island and go luddite and reject tech and never turned back the keys.

The dude he managed to get to restore some semblance of control and undo the damage island dude did. Then proceeded to drop dead before he could turn control back to the owner and no one knew it for awhile.

Then the owner either went to prison for dealing meth and or beating his wife and a schizophrenic who literally believes google has death squads trained for the sole purpose of killing him took over the site and I think managed to recover the locked out stuff ten years after the dead guy died. And said crazy dude has randomly made changes that crashed the site multiple times over the last half decade

And its.sort of been limping along running on sheer luck ever since.

Honestly NF is a miracle forum for still existing at this point.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I think I might be missing someone between the primitivism guy and the dead guy, or the dead guy and the crazy guy.

But the history of that site is as convoluted and trippy as it is long.

Weekend at Bernie's meets fear and loathing in las Vegas, meets the naked lunch meets furfest.

That'd be how I would sum it up.

 

[Spartan303]

That's... that's some insane shit.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Damn, It seems That the Naruto Forums is run by weirdos and Complete Degenerates.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

That's... that's some insane shit.

Like I said. SB got bad, what they did to you guys was as transparent as it was disgusting and cowardly.

But at least no one murdered anyone or became a cave man or joined a cult and then hacked the site and sold all the personal contact info to human traffickers or any of the other crazy crap that's happened on other sites.

Still sucks what happened though.

Damn, It seems That the Naruto Forums is run by weirdos and Complete Degenerates.

Idiots and cartoonishly crazy people.

There are some degenerates though. One former admin was disturbingly friendly with pedophiles but it's mostly just really dumb adults acting like high school kids in an old WB drama.

Mostly.

Its been my experience on other sites, the craziest motherfuckers always end.up as admins somehow.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Well shit. That's some drama you'd see in the most notorious forums.

Its been my experience on other sites, the craziest motherfuckers always end.up as admins somehow.

Do you have a hobby looking up internet drama?

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Well shit. That's some drama you'd see in the most notorious forums.

It can be entertaining if you arent actually invested in the community. Or a sane mod having to deal with maniacs as peers.


But if you actually care, it's a carnival of awful.

.

Do you have a hobby looking up internet drama?

Naw I've just been all over the place, so I've just seen more craziness than most I guess?

 

[Arch Dornan]

It can be entertaining if you arent actually invested in the community. Or a sane mod having to deal with maniacs as peers.


But if you actually care, it's a carnival of awful.

It's definitely awful to be involved in.

It's a bit of a hobby to check a certain site for internet drama like knowing about what's going on with Lowtax the owner of SomethingAwful, bulbapedia's dark secrets or resetera's recent crazy madness.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

It's definitely awful to be involved in.

It's a bit of a hobby to check a certain site for internet drama like knowing about what's going on with Lowtax the owner of SomethingAwful, bulbapedia's dark secrets or resetera's recent crazy madness.

Heh, heh...Do you know the tale of Schmorky? If you follow SA drama?

Rebecca Sugar and Noelle Stevenson put that animal on their animation teams. which explains Steven Universe nicely.