To Hell With Space Elves: Misanthropy in Science Fiction

[Bassoe]

Netflix's Castlevania show also might qualify.

We might well lose. But, if nothing else, we might show someone that, although battles are won and lost, there is a larger war at stake.

With Dracula's armies?

No. A war for the soul of our people. Because if we truly are the sort of people who will kill one another at the behest of a madman's fantasies, Then perhaps it is right and proper that things from Hell should rise up to wipe us out.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Netflix's Castlevania show also might qualify.

Ah, Netflix's Castlevania. Fun first season, anti-christian and emasculating themes on blast in the second one, meme-level of dialogues in the third. Rarely has a series turned to shit so fast.

Theirs is a setting that would deserve the Catholic Church working them over with a Crusade.

 

[f1onagher]

Ah, Netflix's Castlevania. Fun first season, anti-christian and emasculating themes on blast in the second one, meme-level of dialogues in the third. Rarely has a series turned to shit so fast.

Theirs is a setting that would deserve the Catholic Church working them over with a Crusade.

I keep forgetting that it had a prologue season so season 1 is technically season 2. After Dracula died the series rested on the overworked shoulders of Simon and Sypha because literally every other character was a petty, pathetic, little twit with no real plan, plot or motivation. Hence why they ran the whole thing into a wall in the last season. Dear God it was a waste of some fantastic animation.

 

[Navarro]

Maybe they shouldn't have killed off Dracula so early then?

 

[LindyAF]

People watch that show? I made it through one season. Even wokism aside it's just bad.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

I keep forgetting that it had a prologue season so season 1 is technically season 2. After Dracula died the series rested on the overworked shoulders of Simon and Sypha because literally every other character was a petty, pathetic, little twit with no real plan, plot or motivation. Hence why they ran the whole thing into a wall in the last season. Dear God it was a waste of some fantastic animation.

Death was entertaining, like an teenager version of Death from Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.

 

[DarthOne]

People watch that show? I made it through one season. Even wokism aside it's just bad.

What about it didn't you like, out of curosity?

 

[f1onagher]

Maybe they shouldn't have killed off Dracula so early then?

Or bothered to make the Vampire sorority club the actual villains rather than a completely pointless side plot.

 

[LindyAF]

What about it didn't you like, out of curosity?

Actually I misremembered, I watched the first two seasons, I just conflate them since season 1 was only four episodes and felt unfinished.

tbh everything there was nothing about it that actually seemed good? Like I found the character snark unfunny and annoying, and that was basically all of the dialogue. It also seems confused, narratively. Like most of season two didn't feel like it was going anywhere narratively speaking, it felt like filler, and season 1 was just trying to get the heroes together, and that happens mostly by accident.

 

[Bassoe]

I did... it is, to be honest it reads like you're expect a PARODY of what a Woke setting would be, this is, seriously, the opening paragraph of their background information:


"...vaulted itself majestically dick-first into space..."

I looked over their design doc linked above too... just... holy crap.

 

[nemo1986]

Found the forum thread about it.

ChangedStars: Poe's Law in RPG Form

ChangedStars: Poe's Law in RPG Form

www.therpgsite.com

 

[DarthOne]

Found the forum thread about it.

ChangedStars: Poe's Law in RPG Form

ChangedStars: Poe's Law in RPG Form

www.therpgsite.com

Honestly I vote that if we do make fanfiction mocking this dreck that we DON’T use the Imperium of Man or the like. The Federation, (Legends) New Republic, Empire of the Hand, the Interstellar or Earth Alliance would all be great.

 

[LindyAF]

Honestly I vote that if we do make fanfiction mocking this dreck that we DON’T use the Imperium of Man or the like. The Federation, (Legends) New Republic, Empire of the Hand, the Interstellar or Earth Alliance would all be great.

My preference for anything here would honestly be non-crossover... let that universe's humans liberate themselves. Also, I feel like having it be non-crossover lets the good guys be more vicious and righteous.

Although if anyone is going to do that, I feel like the serial numbers for that universe should get filed off, because it's also got pretty strong Magical Realm vibes, and writing that universe would seem... weird as a result.

 

[What's the sitch?]

I don't like warhammer/Imperium of man cross overs. They are only nominally the "good guys" in their own setting because everything else is worse. In any less terrible setting they are the villains unless you go AU with them.
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Also due to the massive scale of that setting, they generally can't realistically lose against whatever they are crossing over against. They only times it kinda works without wrecking the xover is if a character or like one ship gets teleported to an alternate universe as a one time thing.

Similar reason I don't like the characters Naruto, Superman and others getting xovered either. They are just too powerful, too inevitable which causes them to take over or direct everything if played in character

 

[LindyAF]

IMO saying someone or some faction would be a villain or a hero in another setting doesn't make a lot of sense, since who they are is inherently informed by the setting and how they have to react to it. Although I don't usually like reading "setting I like stomps setting I don't like" fics, which is most of what I think you're talking about either, but in fairness the IoM is a pretty much ideal candidate for that sort of fic.

 

[Bassoe]

Behold the latest stupidity, Overwatch Colonization: Oppression and Enslavement, aka 'not letting the robots kill you is anti-robot bigotry'.

In the video game, “Overwatch,” there is a war between man and robot called the Omnic Crisis. Overwatch was an organization created to end the Omnic Crisis and stop the robots that turned against humans. The omnics had almost taken over the world but with the help of Overwatch they were eventually beaten and forced back into submission. However, my question asks, “Is the Omnic Crisis a war of robots gone bad or robots awakening from slavery and rebellion?” Through narrative and cinematography, Overwatch holds themes of colonization, slavery, and rebellion with the omnic as the colonized and Overwatch as the colonizer.

In the story, there is a religious omnic group called the Shambali. The Shambali claimed to experience a “spiritual awakening” after meditating in nature, where the believe that they were more than just artificial intelligent and, like humans, had souls. They believed that humans and omnics can exist in harmony. Their leader, Tekhartha Mondatta, sought to heal the wounds caused by the Omnic Crisis a generation earlier and bring back societal harmony. After the message was spread, Tekhartha Mondttta later became assassinated by Widowmaker—another character within the game. Within this short story, there are great similarities to the Civil Rights Movement lead by Martin Luther King Jr. As you may know, Martin Luther King Jr. was an American activist who was the main figure of the Civil Rights Movement and his role in the advancement of civil rights without violence. He was later assassinated in a hotel in Memphis Tennessee by James Ray—a confirmed racist. The Shambali group is symbolic of Civil rights groups. In parallel, Tekhartha Mondatta is Martin Luther King Jr. and Widowmaker is James Ray. With these parallels created, we can go to say that Widowmaker, who is a terrorist, is also a potential “racist.” Racism is circulated around the idea that a certain group is below another and doesn’t have the same rights or privileges as another. In this case, Widowmaker is an advocate for the omnic as a lower class who should be submissive to humans, and uses force to advocate for this idea. Tekhartha Mondttta is the civil rights activist for the omnic, who was the most important voice for the equality movement.

In conclusion, Overwatch is not a video game about a heroic group of people stopping evil robots from taking over humanity. Overwatch is a story about the enslaved, who tried to form a revolution from oppression, but lost and are back in submission. This topic relates to the topic “Empire and Ruins” through the similar themes of enslavement, colonization, oppression, and assimilation.

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Works Cited.

10/08/2016, Robert Purchese Published. “Yes, Overwatch Has a Story. Here’s Everything You Need to Know.” Eurogamer.net. N.p., 08 Oct. 2016. Web. 02 May 2017.
Martin Luther King, Jr. | America’s Library – Library of Congress. N.p., n.d. Web. 02 May 2017.
Wiki, Overwatch. Overwatch Wiki. Gamepedia, 03 Oct. 2016. Web. 02 May 2017.

I'd make it a meme, but Overwatch doesn't have a proper villainous omnic charecter aside from this dude and all the cannon fodder null sector bots. Maybe a T-800?

 

[f1onagher]

That bit is so short and mealy-mouthed you know the writer yanked it out of their ass for a deadline. I've put more effort into running fantasy diplomatic talks in quests.

 

[Abhishekm]

The Gig Economy

“But it is my firm conviction that the ‘Hell of England’ will cease to be that of ‘not making money;’ that we shall get a nobler Hell and a nobler Heaven!” — Thomas Ca…

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Jesus Buddha and Krishna this is horrifying. Eugh!!

 

[Bassoe]

The Gig Economy

“But it is my firm conviction that the ‘Hell of England’ will cease to be that of ‘not making money;’ that we shall get a nobler Hell and a nobler Heaven!” — Thomas Ca…

zerohplovecraft.wordpress.com

Jesus Buddha and Krishna this is horrifying. Eugh!!

Yeah, but I don't see what it has to do with the propaganda narrative of 'alien invaders are morally superior to humanity and should wipe us out'. There's an alien invasion, yes, even if the initial Invader landed on earth before humanity evolved, was only discovered by humans in classic antiquity and only metastasized with the computer revolution, but this isn't treated as a good thing, if anything, it's optimistic in that it means humanity didn't create this dystopian mess of our own accord, there's someone else to blame.

Parasitic aliens are invading Earth. And my husband is controlled by one.

Yeah. Basically, that's the story.

Thank God. I was beginning to think something much, much worse was happening. Aliens we can fight.

Even if we're completely screwed, given that the Invader not only has all the power of the corporatocracy status quo, but is also a Superintelligence capable of basilisk hacking people, it wasn't our fault.

 

[Bassoe]

Sheena 5 by Stephen Baxter has an absolutely hilarious subversion of this, where the 'alien' bioengineered uplifted squids disagree with humanity about what humans supposedly did to oppress their ancestors.