Breaking News Time Magazine openly admits to a bi-partisan, elite lead rigging ("fortifying") of the election

LindyAF

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It is certainly no coincidence that from 2020 to 2021, Republicans’ satisfaction with big business plummeted 26 points to 31 percent.

That's hugely encouraging.

The “conspiracy” of longtime democrat activists who want Trump dead wasn’t about making sure he lost, Ball repeatedly insists while writing an entire article indicating the opposite. It was about “protecting democracy.”

"democracy will always tell you it's under attack, but it will never tell you why."
 
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Rocinante

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That's hugely encouraging.



"democracy will always tell you it's under attack, but it will never tell you why."
Never forget. The left constantly whined about how "this will kill people," "these people want us dead," etc. They were projecting.

These people openly call us Nazis. They call for drone strikes and throwing us into reprogramming camps. Openly, on national TV, with no pushback.

These people actually want Donald Trump, republicans, you and me... dead.

Its not a stretch or a surprise that the people who call us Nazis all the time want to treat us how they'd like to treat actual nazis.

These people want us dead and in camps and they openly talk about it.

So yeah, of course democracy is great, unless we get to vote for our person, then it's a problem. Blocking our votes and silencing our voices is FORTIFYING the election and ensuring the PROPER RESULTS.
 
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BlackDragon98

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Never forget. The left constantly whined about how "this will kill people," "these people want us dead," etc. They were projecting.

These people openly call us Nazis. They call for drone strikes and throwing us into reprogramming camps. Openly, on national TV, with no pushback.

These people actually want Donald Trump, republicans, you and me... dead.

Its not a stretch or a surprise that the people who call us Nazis all the time want to treat us how they'd like to treat actual nazis.

These people want us dead and in camps and they openly talk about it.

So yeah, of course democracy is great, unless we get to vote for our person, then it's a problem. Blocking our votes and silencing our voices is FORTIFYING the election and ensuring the PROPER RESULTS.
Don't worry, those leftists are gonna turn on each other as soon as they realize that they can't defeat the Republicans and Trump.

Just take a look at the SNC Lavalin affair. As soon as Trudeau realized the tide was against him, he shoved Jody Wilson Raybould under the bus, despite all his "promises" of this and that for Indigenous people and women.

Those rat are gonna start nawing on each other once they realize the people have woken up and are now standing by the real President, the Donald.
 

Terthna

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Don't worry, those leftists are gonna turn on each other as soon as they realize that they can't defeat the Republicans and Trump.

Just take a look at the SNC Lavalin affair. As soon as Trudeau realized the tide was against him, he shoved Jody Wilson Raybould under the bus, despite all his "promises" of this and that for Indigenous people and women.

Those rat are gonna start nawing on each other once they realize the people have woken up and are now standing by the real President, the Donald.
I'd like to believe that, but let's be honest; most of the Republican establishment does not support Trump. They never really did; they were just pretending so that they could manipulate him, and take advantage of his support in the hopes of subverting his supporters later down the line. As for the people waking up; sure, some of them have. Others, however, never will; and many have been so thoroughly brainwashed that they want to see us dead, just as badly as the establishment does.
 

ShieldWife

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Don't worry, those leftists are gonna turn on each other as soon as they realize that they can't defeat the Republicans and Trump.

Just take a look at the SNC Lavalin affair. As soon as Trudeau realized the tide was against him, he shoved Jody Wilson Raybould under the bus, despite all his "promises" of this and that for Indigenous people and women.

Those rat are gonna start nawing on each other once they realize the people have woken up and are now standing by the real President, the Donald.
Unfortunately, the leftists can and have defeated the Republicans and Trump. Not just in the 2020 election, but the left has defeated the right on a deep existential level that transcends an election that will last 4 years.

A lot of Republicans will continue to support Trump, that is true, but what will they actually do about that? In all likelihood, nothing of substance. Trump will likely have a large role in picking the 2024 GOP presidential nominee, I don't doubt that, but if Trumps helps a principled candidate to get the nomination, that person won't be able to win. The GOP might even block anybody good from getting the nomination. American elections are "fortified" now and in perpetuity.
 

BlackDragon98

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Unfortunately, the leftists can and have defeated the Republicans and Trump. Not just in the 2020 election, but the left has defeated the right on a deep existential level that transcends an election that will last 4 years.

A lot of Republicans will continue to support Trump, that is true, but what will they actually do about that? In all likelihood, nothing of substance. Trump will likely have a large role in picking the 2024 GOP presidential nominee, I don't doubt that, but if Trumps helps a principled candidate to get the nomination, that person won't be able to win. The GOP might even block anybody good from getting the nomination. American elections are "fortified" now and in perpetuity.
I guess civil war is the only option then?
 

Battlegrinder

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Unfortunately, the leftists can and have defeated the Republicans and Trump. Not just in the 2020 election, but the left has defeated the right on a deep existential level that transcends an election that will last 4 years.

A lot of Republicans will continue to support Trump, that is true, but what will they actually do about that? In all likelihood, nothing of substance. Trump will likely have a large role in picking the 2024 GOP presidential nominee, I don't doubt that, but if Trumps helps a principled candidate to get the nomination, that person won't be able to win. The GOP might even block anybody good from getting the nomination. American elections are "fortified" now and in perpetuity.


Yes, truely the left has won forever, just look at that razor thin house majority, even thinner hold on the senate, being in the firm minority of governships and state legislatures, not to mention a SC that's firmly out of their hands, and a brewing civil war between the establishment left and the progressive/far left. They're probably getting really tired of winning now, with such an exhaustive list of victories.

As for Trump, cheating or not, he's going to be marginalized by the rest of the party, and for good reason. Trumpism, that is, a more centerist right wing populism, is probably here to stay, but the man himself needs to be blocked from further influence. Despite having a few good policy ideas, his personality and mannerism aren't what the GOP needs.
 

Wargamer08

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Yes, truely the left has won forever, just look at that razor thin house majority, even thinner hold on the senate, being in the firm minority of governships and state legislatures, not to mention a SC that's firmly out of their hands, and a brewing civil war between the establishment left and the progressive/far left. They're probably getting really tired of winning now, with such an exhaustive list of victories.

As for Trump, cheating or not, he's going to be marginalized by the rest of the party, and for good reason. Trumpism, that is, a more centerist right wing populism, is probably here to stay, but the man himself needs to be blocked from further influence. Despite having a few good policy ideas, his personality and mannerism aren't what the GOP needs.
His personality and mannerisms is what got him into office. Being willing to finally say what a whole lot of people thought to the media and polical establishments was pretty much his whole attraction. His policies were scattered at best. A nice and polite politician with Trump’s policies is a total dead duck to the people that Trump dragged into the GOP. Ignoring that fraud and not building a personal political base is what dragged Trump down and trying to pin it on his character is pretty much peak establishment GOP though.
 

AnimalNoodles

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Never forget. The left constantly whined about how "this will kill people," "these people want us dead," etc. They were projecting.

These people openly call us Nazis. They call for drone strikes and throwing us into reprogramming camps. Openly, on national TV, with no pushback.

These people actually want Donald Trump, republicans, you and me... dead.

Its not a stretch or a surprise that the people who call us Nazis all the time want to treat us how they'd like to treat actual nazis.

These people want us dead and in camps and they openly talk about it.

So yeah, of course democracy is great, unless we get to vote for our person, then it's a problem. Blocking our votes and silencing our voices is FORTIFYING the election and ensuring the PROPER RESULTS.

This is why the right needs to practice repressive tolerance in the spaces it controls. I see no reason to bring these people into our spaces or give them access to our resources. Their entire ideological structure is literally a justification for dumping us into mass graves.
 

ShieldWife

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Yes, truely the left has won forever, just look at that razor thin house majority, even thinner hold on the senate, being in the firm minority of governships and state legislatures, not to mention a SC that's firmly out of their hands, and a brewing civil war between the establishment left and the progressive/far left. They're probably getting really tired of winning now, with such an exhaustive list of victories.

There are so many trends in the USA that you'd have to be irrationally optimistic to have hope for the GOP's future. Young people are increasingly left leaning and demographic changes alone will spell the doom of the Republican Party. If Biden succeeds with any kind of amnesty program, then the GOP is finished on the national level in one fell swoop, with 20+ million new Democrat citizens. Though even without amnesty, we have de facto generational amnesty, since the kids of illegals become citizens automatically, even if the pregnant mother just crossed the border.

Add to this that there was probably large scale election fraud that will never be officially uncovered, and in fact changes will be made to "fortify" the establishment left's control over the mechanisms of voting. Dominion is suing their critics for billions of dollars. This is not democracy.

There are other changes that the Democrats could make that permanently strengthens their position. Adding DC and/or Puerto Rico as states would probably mean permanent Democratic majorities in the Senate. Abolishing the Electoral College would make it extremely difficult for the Republicans to win in future national elections. Amnesty, of course, would be the end of not just the GOP but of America itself.

Plus all of the big corporations are flexing their muscles and crushing dissent. There is large scale censorship, doxxing, targeting people financially, denying hosting servicing, and so on. More government money is flowing into the hands of the big corporations and they are more and more using their ridiculous amounts of power to support the left/establishment agenda. Look at Time magazine, they even admit that the rich and powerful worked together to change laws. Plus, we have the FBI who did all kinds of horrible illegal stuff to go after Trump and his allies. They won't be punished, in fact their ability to attack their enemies is only becoming stronger. The left are working on all sorts of new laws, or maybe just agency policies, that will target right wing dissenters.

The extreme left has spent the last year causing violence and burning down cities while the authorities bent over backwards to protect them, then we have one tiny event in DC and there has to be a new War on Terror.

We might even see the Biden administration add new seats to the Supreme Court. That would, for all intents and purposes, be the end of the Constitution.

The GOP, the USA in fact, is almost certainly done for.

As for Trump, cheating or not, he's going to be marginalized by the rest of the party, and for good reason. Trumpism, that is, a more centerist right wing populism, is probably here to stay, but the man himself needs to be blocked from further influence. Despite having a few good policy ideas, his personality and mannerism aren't what the GOP needs.

Trump's presidential chances may be done for, but he's going to have to remain as a mover and shaker in the GOP and within conservatism in general. If he is blocked from future influence, it will be the RINOs who do it to put sole control of the GOP back into their hands, like it had been for decades before Trump came along. Trump certainly has some yuge flaws, but he has been one of the only guys to actually help fight the GOP establishment and reform the party successfully. His marginalization wouldn't just be about him as a person, it would be in effect returning his supporters to the marginalization they had suffered from for decades before Trump hit the scene.
 

LordsFire

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Trump's presidential chances may be done for, but he's going to have to remain as a mover and shaker in the GOP and within conservatism in general. If he is blocked from future influence, it will be the RINOs who do it to put sole control of the GOP back into their hands, like it had been for decades before Trump came along. Trump certainly has some yuge flaws, but he has been one of the only guys to actually help fight the GOP establishment and reform the party successfully. His marginalization wouldn't just be about him as a person, it would be in effect returning his supporters to the marginalization they had suffered from for decades before Trump hit the scene.

If the GOP establishment manages to lock Trump and Trumpists out of power within the party, then the Republican Party will end up splitting, and the establishment will be left in the rotting corpse of the old party.
 

ShieldWife

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If the GOP establishment manages to lock Trump and Trumpists out of power within the party, then the Republican Party will end up splitting, and the establishment will be left in the rotting corpse of the old party.
A new party will not be permitted I think. The Oligarchs and Social Justice clergy will hard to suppress it.
If a new party forms, it will split the party, then the establishment conservatives win, since they primarily want to prevent real alternatives to the establishment agenda. If the GOP splits into a Republican Party and Patriot Party, then neither can win national elections. Even if the Republican Party only keeps 10% of its original members, that is still enough to keep the Patriot Party from winning major elections, if it ever had any chance, and the Establishment Republicans will keep the party alive even with those small numbers just to keep the Patriot Party from winning if nothing else.

Essentially, the oligarchs will stop an effective alternative party, one way or another.
 

LindyAF

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Unfortunately, the leftists can and have defeated the Republicans and Trump. Not just in the 2020 election, but the left has defeated the right on a deep existential level that transcends an election that will last 4 years.

A lot of Republicans will continue to support Trump, that is true, but what will they actually do about that? In all likelihood, nothing of substance. Trump will likely have a large role in picking the 2024 GOP presidential nominee, I don't doubt that, but if Trumps helps a principled candidate to get the nomination, that person won't be able to win. The GOP might even block anybody good from getting the nomination. American elections are "fortified" now and in perpetuity.

It wasn't over when the roman senate killed the Gracchi brothers. Ultimately, I don't think Trump really knew what he was, he both didn't know and didn't have the will to do what was necessary. And he still pulled it off in 2016, despite the entire establishment being against him, and he almost pulled it off again in 2020, despite the same and possible massive fraud. Caesar, Czar, Tsar, Kaiser,... With the Jan 6th Capitol Siege, I think it's entirely possible we were this close to a timeline where warlords in the year 3400 would go around calling themselves Trump. ;)

Yes, the long term trends are bad, disastrous even, but there's no sense in getting this blackpilled over one election cycle. Young people being increasingly less leaning is primarily a result of demographic changes, IIRC young White people voted Trump. Not with the same margins that older White people did, but still.

I guess civil war is the only option then?

In my opinion, I think we on the right think of what the radical left calls "diversity of tactics" as way too much of a binary thing. Civil War, on or off. From what I've read, the early stages of these sorts of things are usually a slowly building boil, not a 0 to 1 explosion. Even when it did get to the point of Civil Wars with uniformed armies- say the Spanish or Russian Civil Wars, there were extensive periods of low level violence and streetfighting (and in the SCW, airplane accidents) beforehand.

I don't think there's a solution that's entirely political, and there's certainly not one that entirely electoral, i.e. just voting, without organizing exerting pressure in other ways. But I also don't think there's one that's not at least partially political.

Obviously, we aren't in a position to adopt all of it, and some of the stuff that works for the left just isn't going to work for the right. But I think when we have insights into how the left works like this Time's article, beyond just getting angry about it (although we should do that too), we should be looking at it at least partially as a guide. Back in 2017 David Hines had some good articles reading books on radical left wing tactics in the 1960s and 70s as well, which I encourage people to check out.
 
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