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WolfBear

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But what sort of person would want their child to be raised by Leftoids?

It shouldn't matter too much since the effect of adoptive parents on children are rather limited. Biological parents are much more important. Except when it comes to money. There, adoptive parents could have a real effect if they're much wealthier than the biological parents are. But not in regards to personality, character traits, et cetera.
 

The Whispering Monk

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It shouldn't matter too much since the effect of adoptive parents on children are rather limited. Biological parents are much more important. Except when it comes to money. There, adoptive parents could have a real effect if they're much wealthier than the biological parents are. But not in regards to personality, character traits, et cetera.
Depends on the age of those kids when they are adopted.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Are you sure about that?
I absolutely am sure of it. Even into the early teens, adopted parents can have huge behavioral and emotional impacts on their children. It happens when both parties form real bonds, not just surface ones for "when they're in the room together."

If the child is willing to become part of the family instead of remaining separate, big things can happen.
 

Scottty

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It shouldn't matter too much since the effect of adoptive parents on children are rather limited. Biological parents are much more important. Except when it comes to money. There, adoptive parents could have a real effect if they're much wealthier than the biological parents are. But not in regards to personality, character traits, et cetera.

And the belief-system they will teach their children?
 

WolfBear

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Leftist propaganda? A deliberate assault on traditional morals and values? Normalization of deviance and degeneracy with a focus on self-centeredness and hedonism without restraint?

Leftist propaganda needs a receptive audience, though. If it doesn't have that, then it easily fails, as it does in present-day Russia, for instance.
 

Bear Ribs

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Adoptive parents could have a sizable effect on this, probably. But even then, their kids could eventually think for themselves.

How do you think that numerous Westerners grew out of their traditional Christian faith, for instance?
Hmm, well we see people in Europe staying with the Christian church for a thousand or so years through the middle and early modern periods. So unless the human genome stayed the same for a thousand plus years and then suddenly evolved into a new, less church-focused genetic path in a matter of decades, I'd say it's pretty clear that wasn't genetic but a result of how upbringing and teaching can influence children.
 

LordsFire

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How do you think that numerous Westerners grew out of their traditional Christian faith, for instance?

The leadership of the western world started abandoning Christianity in the mid and late 19th century. It took until the 1960's for that process to be complete enough that it shattered the surface-level christian culture altogether.

When even large amounts of the clergy have abandoned God, and deliberately turned christian institutions, including the majority of the bishops and cardinals of entire denominations, to secular values, it's no surprise that this trickles down into society at large.
 

WolfBear

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The leadership of the western world started abandoning Christianity in the mid and late 19th century. It took until the 1960's for that process to be complete enough that it shattered the surface-level christian culture altogether.

When even large amounts of the clergy have abandoned God, and deliberately turned christian institutions, including the majority of the bishops and cardinals of entire denominations, to secular values, it's no surprise that this trickles down into society at large.

Why hasn't the same thing happened to Islam? Though it did happen to Judaism to a significant extent, especially in the Diaspora.
 

LordsFire

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Why hasn't the same thing happened to Islam? Though it did happen to Judaism to a significant extent, especially in the Diaspora.

As the Whispering Monk said.

Christianity teaches freedom, and the worst punishment for people who leave the faith, is to be excluded from the church, while the church prays they'll repent.

Islam literally means 'submission,' and the punishment for leaving the religion is death.
 

Captain X

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Leftist propaganda? A deliberate assault on traditional morals and values? Normalization of deviance and degeneracy with a focus on self-centeredness and hedonism without restraint?
Funny, none of that at all applies to me. For me it was more like I gave some real serious thought to it, and decided there wasn't much difference between Christianity and other, older religions. It doesn't help that Christianity sources many of its stories from other, older religions as well.

Christianity teaches freedom, and the worst punishment for people who leave the faith, is to be excluded from the church, while the church prays they'll repent.
That wasn't always the case, though. It used to be a lot more in line with Islam, actually, and it is only thanks to classical liberalism and the reformation that it has, shall we say "mellowed" to its current state. ;)
 

LordsFire

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Funny, none of that at all applies to me. For me it was more like I gave some real serious thought to it, and decided there wasn't much difference between Christianity and other, older religions. It doesn't help that Christianity sources many of its stories from other, older religions as well.


That wasn't always the case, though. It used to be a lot more in line with Islam, actually, and it is only thanks to classical liberalism and the reformation that it has, shall we say "mellowed" to its current state. ;)

You're incorrect in both regards.

Christianity differs from every religion in the world except for Judaism in the following ways:

1. Nature of God.
2. Nature of man.
3. What to do about evil/sin.
4. What our fate as human beings is.


Further, Christianity did not 'mellow' under the influence of classical liberalism, the reformation started moving it back in the direction it had originally been in. While Constantine converting to Christianity was great for ending the oppression of Christians, it also turned Rome into a 'christian' theocracy, where suddenly there was great political and social power in being a high-ranking Christian.

This had very corrosive and corruptive effects on what became known as 'christendom.'

If you were familiar with the history of the early church, you would know that what I described earlier is actually closer to its original form, as taught by Christ and his apostles.

The only thing you're even close to right on, is Christianity sharing a few stories with other 'older' religions, but even then saying it 'sourced' from those is just repeating the propaganda of atheists who are trying to reduce Christianity's culture authority however they can.
 

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