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Vaermina

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The Longshoremen are one of the largest and most powerful unions on the planet. Automation keeps getting tried but they tend to fight it kicking and screaming every step of the way, and not just through strikes but through legislation, lawsuits to prevent permits, etc. Shipping companies literally pay a fee to the Loreshoremen's union merely to have the right to automate loading processes, a right they're not allowed to exercise without the Longshoremen striking.
And Amazon can crush all that and build an entire port city from scratch if they wanted to.
 

Bear Ribs

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And Amazon can crush all that and build an entire port city from scratch if they wanted to.
Not if the government won't give them the permits to build, and it's dead easy to get totally deadlocked in permit-purgatory in Califronia under favorable conditions, much less when fighting the Godzilla of Unions. Remember, the Longshoremen's Union is multinational, and when they strike they don't just hit one place. Their strike in 1934 shut down every single port on the West Coast, in 1959 they did it to the East Coast and both times simply shut down every port on one side of the continent. They did it to the West Coast again in 1971, in opposition to automation as it happens. They could put pressure on every coastal city in California at once, along with Oregon and Washington if Amazon tried to make a move towards automation. Amazon getting to put its own automated port city together would depend on them managing to fight off California's ridiculous political system for permits while every single coastal town is simultaneously screaming to stop Amazon.
 

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Not if the government won't give them the permits to build, and it's dead easy to get totally deadlocked in permit-purgatory in Califronia under favorable conditions, much less when fighting the Godzilla of Unions. Remember, the Longshoremen's Union is multinational, and when they strike they don't just hit one place. Their strike in 1934 shut down every single port on the West Coast, in 1959 they did it to the East Coast and both times simply shut down every port on one side of the continent. They did it to the West Coast again in 1971, in opposition to automation as it happens. They could put pressure on every coastal city in California at once, along with Oregon and Washington if Amazon tried to make a move towards automation. Amazon getting to put its own automated port city together would depend on them managing to fight off California's ridiculous political system for permits while every single coastal town is simultaneously screaming to stop Amazon.
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That sounds like a monopoly that needs to be broken up under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, along with Amazon and Google. In what sane world do you let a multinational union exsist... to say one that can shut down multiple ports.

FFS, Unions should be strictly limited to one corporations, this multi-corporate multi-location union crap is insane.
 

Cherico

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That sounds like a monopoly that needs to be broken up under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, along with Amazon and Google. In what sane world do you let a multinational union exsist... to say one that can shut down multiple ports.

FFS, Unions should be strictly limited to one corporations, this multi-corporate multi-location union crap is insane.

they might be of some use to us, if the longshoremans union shuts down the entire country over mandates that pretty much murders the democrats as a party for a bit.
 

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they might be of some use to us, if the longshoremans union shuts down the entire country over mandates that pretty much murders the democrats as a party for a bit.
Of course they'll get dismantled afterwards due to them having too much power to be considered safe much like big tech is doomed to suffer
 

Vaermina

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Not if the government won't give them the permits to build, and it's dead easy to get totally deadlocked in permit-purgatory in Califronia under favorable conditions, much less when fighting the Godzilla of Unions. Remember, the Longshoremen's Union is multinational, and when they strike they don't just hit one place. Their strike in 1934 shut down every single port on the West Coast, in 1959 they did it to the East Coast and both times simply shut down every port on one side of the continent. They did it to the West Coast again in 1971, in opposition to automation as it happens. They could put pressure on every coastal city in California at once, along with Oregon and Washington if Amazon tried to make a move towards automation. Amazon getting to put its own automated port city together would depend on them managing to fight off California's ridiculous political system for permits while every single coastal town is simultaneously screaming to stop Amazon.
And Amazon would win, so again...

Also if they tried that now days they would eat a Sherman Anti-Trust suite.
 

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Tiffany McHugh, the Director of Foothills Christian Church Preschool, has been stripped of her license and thus barring her from ever working with children again by the California Social Services Department after discovering she failed to encourage two year olds in their preschool to wear masks enough. The School has protested the suspension as well as the closure of the PreSchool with an appeal scheduled for February.

Social Services specifically stated McHugh and the school violated the personal rights of the children by stating they: "failed to 'regularly and frequently prompt and encourage students two years and older to wear face coverings at all times.'"

 

Cherico

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Tiffany McHugh, the Director of Foothills Christian Church Preschool, has been stripped of her license and thus barring her from ever working with children again by the California Social Services Department after discovering she failed to encourage two year olds in their preschool to wear masks enough. The School has protested the suspension as well as the closure of the PreSchool with an appeal scheduled for February.

Social Services specifically stated McHugh and the school violated the personal rights of the children by stating they: "failed to 'regularly and frequently prompt and encourage students two years and older to wear face coverings at all times.'"



When the states finacial situation collapses and all of thse socials service pricks lose their jobs I am going to laugh and laugh hard.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Not if the government won't give them the permits to build, and it's dead easy to get totally deadlocked in permit-purgatory in Califronia under favorable conditions, much less when fighting the Godzilla of Unions. Remember, the Longshoremen's Union is multinational, and when they strike they don't just hit one place. Their strike in 1934 shut down every single port on the West Coast, in 1959 they did it to the East Coast and both times simply shut down every port on one side of the continent. They did it to the West Coast again in 1971, in opposition to automation as it happens. They could put pressure on every coastal city in California at once, along with Oregon and Washington if Amazon tried to make a move towards automation. Amazon getting to put its own automated port city together would depend on them managing to fight off California's ridiculous political system for permits while every single coastal town is simultaneously screaming to stop Amazon.

1. It's the "International Longshoremen's Union", and it's really only the US and Canada, so multinational is a bit of a stretch.

2. After the 1934 West Coast strike, Pacific longshoremen actually seceded from the ILU en masse, so they now only represent American longshoremen on the East Coast, Great Lakes, and eastern inland waterways.
 

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California has been doing this for a long time. Los Angeles doesn't have any of its own water. It's dependent on water being funneled from the Central Valley, which is why Central Valley is constantly on drought watch. The counties in Central Valley, like Kern County, can't use any of its own water. Kern County has to buy water from Northern California for its crops while the Kern river - which has more than enough water for Kern County - is piped off for LA. Kern county is like a vassal/imperial province beholden to LA.

Rising water fees should help encourage more people to leave the megacities.
You are right a documentary that explains California's reliance on water stolen from elsewhere is this modern marvels episode.


If you have the time I would recommend watching above, long story short Los Angeles is as dry as Beirut and most of the water was either taken from the Colorado River depriving other states of water and causing constant droughts for farmers or it was taken by destroying the Hetch Hetchy Valley that Theodore Roosevelt tried to protect.
 

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You are right a documentary that explains California's reliance on water stolen from elsewhere is this modern marvels episode.


If you have the time I would recommend watching above, long story short Los Angeles is as dry as Beirut and most of the water was either taken from the Colorado River depriving other states of water and causing constant droughts for farmers or it was taken by destroying the Hetch Hetchy Valley that Theodore Roosevelt tried to protect.

I wouldn't be surprised if the locals sometimes look at the water-pipes transporting their water to the cities and wonder about how easily they could blow holes into them.
 

ShadowArxxy

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I wouldn't be surprised if the locals sometimes look at the water-pipes transporting their water to the cities and wonder about how easily they could blow holes into them.

Water rights in the American West are. . . rather weird and messed up. That said, the lion's share of the water imported into central and southern California is used for agriculture, not urban residential use.
 

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Water rights in the American West are. . . rather weird and messed up. That said, the lion's share of the water imported into central and southern California is used for agriculture, not urban residential use.
The Colorado River Compact needs to be revisited and heavily amended.

The Compact was written during a wet period the people at the time thought was 'normal', so the water allotments it enshrined are actually completely off-base for what 'normal' precip in the region is.
 

Cherico

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The Colorado River Compact needs to be revisited and heavily amended.

The Compact was written during a wet period the people at the time thought was 'normal', so the water allotments it enshrined are actually completely off-base for what 'normal' precip in the region is.

California is right next to the ocean we could do just fine if we built desalt plants. In the long run cutting us off from the river is the best thing to do for the nation as a whole.
 

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