These American states get sent back to 1861

[Buba]

Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, Vermont, and West Virginia.

These seem sort of random - any reason for these?
Also - the listing makes it difficult for me to visualise the ISOT.
I had to squint to figure out two regional, contiguous blocks:
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, tenously connected New Mexico
and
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont
plus a pair of isolates
Utah and West Virginia

1861->2020
The first effect of the ISOT of the DT States to 2020 is a row over Representatives and Electoral College places ... sorry, 2nd.
The 1st would be an invasion by the UT USA and the imposition of 2020 Law.

2020->1861
Eyeballing things - the CSA lost a big chunk of its territory and c.1/3rd (more?) of its slave population.

Where do the wafers for the chips manufactured in the ISOTed States come from? Or are the wafers made in situ? This leads to my next question - what are the wafers made from? Do they need components from outside the ISOted area? Don't chips need some sort of rare earths (Made in China) or summpin'?
BTW - this question - about the commodity chain in the manufacture of anything - must be asked about everything made inside the ISOTed zone.

Cell phones were mentioned - cool, they will work just fine inside the ISOTed zone. Outside it - you have to use radio as there are no cell phone towers around ...
For world conquest missions - remember that there are no communication satellites nor GPS.

US slaves of 1861 - I believe a tiny minority were imports, seeing that from 1808 slave imports were banned (or was the ban of the transatlantic slave trade only?), so something like 99% would be born in the USA. Sending them "back" is a misnomer. Also, those who went to Liberia in OTL immediately set themselves up as a local slavocracy (in deed if not in name).
The UT States can take in the c.2M blacks from the DT States and not notice such an inflow much ...

 

[Quickdraw101]

These seem sort of random - any reason for these?
Also - the listing makes it difficult for me to visualise the ISOT.
I had to squint to figure out two regional, contiguous blocks:
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, tenously connected New Mexico
and
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont
plus a pair of isolates
Utah and West Virginia

1861->2020
The first effect of the ISOT of the DT States to 2020 is a row over Representatives and Electoral College places ... sorry, 2nd.
The 1st would be an invasion by the UT USA and the imposition of 2020 Law.

2020->1861
Eyeballing things - the CSA lost a big chunk of its territory and c.1/3rd (more?) of its slave population.

Where do the wafers for the chips manufactured in the ISOTed States come from? Or are the wafers made in situ? This leads to my next question - what are the wafers made from? Do they need components from outside the ISOted area? Don't chips need some sort of rare earths (Made in China) or summpin'?
BTW - this question - about the commodity chain in the manufacture of anything - must be asked about everything made inside the ISOTed zone.

Cell phones were mentioned - cool, they will work just fine inside the ISOTed zone. Outside it - you have to use radio as there are no cell phone towers around ...
For world conquest missions - remember that there are no communication satellites nor GPS.

US slaves of 1861 - I believe a tiny minority were imports, seeing that from 1808 slave imports were banned (or was the ban of the transatlantic slave trade only?), so something like 99% would be born in the USA. Sending them "back" is a misnomer. Also, those who went to Liberia in OTL immediately set themselves up as a local slavocracy (in deed if not in name).
The UT States can take in the c.2M blacks from the DT States and not notice such an inflow much ...

I picked these states because they were either not very influential in terms of military assets available, wouldn't be fucked as badly as say Florida, New York, or a state with large cities and large populations, and because many of these states are either tiny in population, or rather poorer compared to the rest of America. Basically I wasn't going to pick states that could just curbstomp everything short term, then wither and die without food and fuel.

 

[Buba]

The southern block is in a very good situation as it has its own gasoline/diesel.
The New England States - unless they have refineries and a port capable of taking in petroleum AND some tankers of appropriate size were ISOTed - are in trouble. Lots of problems due to lack of gasoline and diesel before supply lines reopened. And pain - it will be a cold winter there once reserves run out ... I'd expect some sort of emergency measures.

BTW - I remember from a decade or so ago, on another board, somebody posting a SOB press story about retired folks in Main giving over deeds to their (2nd?) cars to the companies supplying them with heating oil as to ensure deliveries and thus their survival until spring.
SNIFF SNIFF
After taking a look at pictures of the house in question - single pane windows, a several centimetre gap under the front door, the poor old folks in short sleeves - the board simply savaged that article. No pity towards those people.
If such inappropriate for winter building standards are widespread, then the UTs are in a world of hurt.

Utah and West Virginia - these places best get used to living without gasoline - they will not getting any in quantity for the next several years, until railroad links (using rail from cannibalised sections) established. Can WV be reached by river? Any river tankers to sail up the Mississippi and the Ohio?

BTW - due to its fantastic shape, i.e. the spur between Ohio and Pennsylvania, WV almost cuts off of the Midwest from the rest of the Union. Will there even be a RR link between Ohio and Pennsylvania in 1861?
In 2020 it'd be possible to go around the DT version, but that'll be messy.

 

[Quickdraw101]

The southern block is in a very good situation as it has its own gasoline/diesel.
The New England States - unless they have refineries and a port capable of taking in petroleum AND some tankers of appropriate size were ISOTed - are in trouble. Lots of problems due to lack of gasoline and diesel before supply lines reopened. And pain - it will be a cold winter there once reserves run out ... I'd expect some sort of emergency measures.

BTW - I remember from a decade or so ago, on another board, somebody posting a SOB press story about retired folks in Main giving over deeds to their (2nd?) cars to the companies supplying them with heating oil as to ensure deliveries and thus their survival until spring.
SNIFF SNIFF
After taking a look at pictures of the house in question - single pane windows, a several centimetre gap under the front door, the poor old folks in short sleeves - the board simply savaged that article. No pity towards those people.
If such inappropriate for winter building standards are widespread, then the UTs are in a world of hurt.

Utah and West Virginia - these places best get used to living without gasoline - they will not getting any in quantity for the next several years, until railroad links (using rail from cannibalised sections) established. Can WV be reached by river? Any river tankers to sail up the Mississippi and the Ohio?

BTW - due to its fantastic shape, i.e. the spur between Ohio and Pennsylvania, WV almost cuts off of the Midwest from the rest of the Union. Will there even be a RR link between Ohio and Pennsylvania in 1861?
In 2020 it'd be possible to go around the DT version, but that'll be messy.

Well for New England and West Virginia, the various states can scrounge up every tanker truck they've got, and run then up and down existing road networks, or possibly try to run some trains, although I don't believe the routes would've connected to where they need to be. There are some ports in Maine, but I don't they can take oil tankers. Beat route is via tanker trucks heading north, or by speeding up the production of oil wells in Pennsylvania to shorten the trip.

 

[Buba]

Good idea with trains - even if these would have to run slowly and carefully over 1860 vintage track. Have you seen rails from that era? The head is not much wider than your thumb ...
I do not see trucks getting far - a tanker truck tips the scale at 25? 30? tons (did some checking - up to 40 tons). Running it over dirt roads after rain would be ... problematic. I also have low hopes for bridges to carry them.
Are there small coastal tankers which hop between ports to deliver diesel to small ports/marinas? Maybe these could be used as work around for lack of oil terminals in New England.
As to Pennsylvanian oil fields and Wee Vee - I suspect that getting oil out of Pennsylvania in quantity will take a few years. Also - is there any refining capacity in WV? If not - then establishing a route from The Southern Block probably would be fastest and cheapest anyway.

 

[Bear Ribs]

I wonder if it would be faster to build handysize tankers rather than build roads from the south to the east bloc? Though since the the shipyard is in the east bloc they'd have to build said tankers before they run out of stored fuel so unless somebody made the exact right move it may not work anyway. If they have any handysize freighters already available they may just want to fill drums with refined petroleum products and ship them that way.

 

[Buba]

There must be shipyards in the Southern Co-Prosperity Sphere.
But I suspect - mind you, suspect - that upgrading a RR would be faster than designing and building handysize tankers.
How does the steel industry of the ISOTed States look like? Is there one and how long can it operate?
Whereas a RR only needs cannibalising rails from no longer needed 2nd tracks, while bridges can be shored up with plentiful DT timber (and have the trains cross them in parts - i.e. only a few cars and the loco at a time - and slowly).

 

[Bear Ribs]

There must be shipyards in the Southern Co-Prosperity Sphere.
But I suspect - mind you, suspect - that upgrading a RR would be faster than designing and building handysize tankers.
How does the steel industry of the ISOTed States look like? Is there one and how long can it operate?
Whereas a RR needs cannibalising rails from no longer needed 2nd tracks, while bridges can be shored up with plentiful DT timber (and have the trains cross them in parts - i.e. only a few cars and the loco at a time - and slowly).

The southern sphere has Alabama's steel production facility, the largest in the US.

 

[Buba]

The southern sphere has Alabama's steel production facility, the largest in the US.

Oh, golly, I feel kinda stupid now.
Alabama has the South's own Rhur Valley aka Birmingham!

 

[ATP]

The southern sphere has Alabama's steel production facility, the largest in the US.

Then they just made modern railroads,and if they need trucks,take them on platforms.Problem solved.