Lord of the Rings Theorycrafting on How Social Justice and Hollywood Will Destroy the Tolkien Estate

Chaos Marine

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Oh I know, but it was just to show that back then, almost two decades ago, SJWs were and have been trying to deconstruct whatever they can because they're batshit-insane.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Oh I know, but it was just to show that back then, almost two decades ago, SJWs were and have been trying to deconstruct whatever they can because they're batshit-insane.




Guys like them have been around before the 2010s, their influence was only stronger in the past decade and now

Fact is, if you talk about “relevant” issues and mix in pretending you’re an important intellectual, you will get attention by guys trying to promote em
 

Urabrask Revealed

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I guess this picture fits the situation:
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DarthOne

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Honestly if I was the writer of a very popular book series I would immediately specify that my works went into the public domain the second I died. But it would never be allowed to be made into a movie or show, period.
 
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Honestly I doubt Shippey was ever that much involved to start with.
 

Erwin_Pommel

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Bad news, people. The Lord of the Rings series produced by Amazon parted ways with the Tolkien Scholar Tom Shippey.
I guess the "Creative differences" were simply too great.
Probably gonna watch it either way as I like fantasy. But will probably see if I can speak to an old schoolmate as to its accuracy given their love for the franchise and I'd rather not let my thoughts of a show based on a prior source be corrupted by only knowing the show variant.
 
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They probably just wanted to attach his name to early promotional material, to make it look like they were going to be respectful towards the source material in their adaptation. Once they thought nobody was paying attention though, they got rid of him.
The contract says the Tolkien estate can veto material.

It wouldn’t surprise me though if Amazon is or had found a way around that.

Probably by cutting the estate out of any creative process as much as possible.

I suspect they won’t outright contradict canon-at least not overtly. Like making Sauron and Galadriel lovers or something.

But they will add their politics and propaganda.
 
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The Immortal Watch Dog

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God please don’t make me even think about it.

One of the things they left out of the Tolkien biopic and I wished they hadn't. Was that Walt Disney and J.R.R Tolkien had a personal feud that spanned their entire lives. Or at least Tolkien had one, Walt seems to have seen it as something playful and he mostly did the old timey equivalent of shitpost at J.R.R with letters like "I'ma buy the rights and make Gandalf sing and dance muahahaha"

The hatred stems from their own approaches to storytelling. Tolkien was a purist who was convinced kids would sit down and read books no matter what, Walt believed that in the era of television and beyond, kids weren't gonna sit down and read big ass books and the attention span issue was only gonna get worse. So Walt viewed himself as someone saving the classics by transferring them to the big screen, he was basically trying to preserve fairy tales and inspire kids in the pre ADD era. Also, make a fuckton doing it.

Both were artists with passion for their work and who took their self appointed missions mega seriously and Walt Disney reaaallly wanted LOTR.

Had he still been alive when the silmarillion came out, he'd have wanted to do a Fantasia version of the Valaquenta and the first age. He probably would have gotten Led Zep and other rock bands to do the soundtrack, given Walt wanted to do a sequel to Fantasia every decade with more and more modern music.

But both men viewed each other as an anathema to each other's work.,.Walt more playfully..but Tolkien flat out calls him Morgoth in a lot of his writings.

Walt handling Tolkien stories? Doable?

Modern Disney would defile it worse than Sauron convincing Numenoreans to sacrifice children on meneltarma.

The SJW types would probably recast him as the good guy or something because his forces are more ‘racially diverse’ and that every thing we get in the books is pro elvish propaganda. Or something equally nonsensical.

At which point I hope they are metaphorically buried alive by a horde of angry Tolkien fans and scholars.

A satanist already wrote that fanfic and publishes it for profit on amazon.


"Post-canon", that's the newest version of their poison, sorry, post-modernism. Nothing is canon anymore, but what they write and publish is less non-canon than anything else. Very communist in its nature.

Y'know what the depressing part is? they're directly quoting the men who killed pro wrestling when they say that.

"Post-Keyfabe" being a thing H says..that Vince Russo originally said in the 90's.

They're taking their advice from carnival huskters who destroyed a century old industry out of ignorance and arrogance :ROFLMAO:

As long as the estate remains with Amazon, I doubt the SJW agenda will have too much sway.

Jeff Bezos used to do tabletop Campaigns set in the LOTR verse off a DnD mod..the scripts are literally adaptations of his old campaigns. He isn't making this show for a wide audience..He's embodying the selfishness, rudderless bullshit Generation X was famous for in the late 90's and he's blowing billions just to entertain his buddies over pizzas and beer.

I don't think he gives a single solitary fuck about whether or not the show makes any profit for Amazon..He's worth too much money and is way too personally involved with the show. Which leads me to believe he's burning cash just for nostalgiasake.

What we're gonna get is literally fanfiction.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Jeff Bezos used to do tabletop Campaigns set in the LOTR verse off a DnD mod..the scripts are literally adaptations of his old campaigns. He isn't making this show for a wide audience..He's embodying the selfishness, rudderless bullshit Generation X was famous for in the late 90's and he's blowing billions just to entertain his buddies over pizzas and beer.

I don't think he gives a single solitary fuck about whether or not the show makes any profit for Amazon..He's worth too much money and is way too personally involved with the show. Which leads me to believe he's burning cash just for nostalgiasake.

What we're gonna get is literally fanfiction.

Somehow, WAY better than being dumb enough to believe that WOKE-ness' the way to the future

That said, man I can understand guys getting pissed at him for only giving a few million to charity if he can waste money on shit like this that isn't gonna turn a real profit
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Somehow, WAY better than being dumb enough to believe that WOKE-ness' the way to the future

Make no mistake, this is going to be retarded. But it's going to be a very different sort of retarded. Mind ye Bezos fired the chief Tolkien expert and dismissed all the directors and scriptwriters...After one said there would be black elves.


That said, man I can understand guys getting pissed at him for only giving a few million to charity if he can waste money on shit like this that isn't gonna turn a real profit

Each season is gonna cost 1.7 billion...dollars

and there's 4 seasons paid for.

This man isn't making a profit off this at all

He's setting it on fire.

Gen X in a nutshell. "but what about me?" mindset.

It's both disgusting and amusing at the same time.


Yeah I always figured one way or another this is a Bezos vanity project more than a sincere adaptation...or an attempt to destroy Tolkien via bongo-ism.

You know what Record of Lodoss War is?

It's basically the exact same thing but with a 6 billion dollar budget.
 
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Makes me wonder if it will just be GOT lite. Or something like that.
 

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