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It would not surprise me, even if it is not being done conciously. Which I wouldn't rule out either.
Lord of the Rings The Tolkien Thread
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Well, to be fair, Tolkien basically took all of his mythology from Germanic and Celtic stories, mixed with his Catholic-English background. Tolkien's influence reverberates because of his masterpiece. And they are most definitely going after Tolkien's legacy, just as they're now focusing on pressuring the Pope in pushing back against the American Bishops. They'll fail, because they fail to understand that the core of the very thing they wish to subvert is not compatible with the crap they're trying to push.
This isn't like Star Trek, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, or anything like that. This isn't a liberal work. It's a conservative one. If you do not hit every piece of the six moral dimensions at the right 'notes' that Tolkien set forward, then the work will remain hollow. It won't be popular, no matter how long Amazon tries to push it (expect 2-3 seasons at the price tag they have right now). All these efforts I feel are going to end with these intellectual properties being undermined and corrupted, to the point where they lose validity.
Hey @Abhorsen ! Five dollars says you can't read that article while drinking without it going out the nose.
I'll take it. Hold on, let me get a drink.
Edit: I was in between sips just before the bullshit overwhelmed me. The article contradicted itself. It says: Tolkein wanted sexless pure hobbits, then continued with: but the books clear gay leanings. I mean, wtf? Tolkein clearly didn't mean for any of the characters to be gay. Also, in Tolkien's stuff, character's sexualities hardly matter. It's not Tolkienesque to worry about social problems, and most characters don't have a love interest unless it is a big fucking deal. It's a stupid fucking idea.
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AnimalNoodles
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What i fucking hate is this idea that any close friendship between men has to have an element of Eros to it. It poisons everything. I have close, longlasting friendships with other men. I dont want to fuck them, i dont feel attracted to them. They are my friends, some of whom have been my friends for 35 fucking years.
Circle of Willis
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This article and the Polygon one it sourced come across as fujoshis trying way too hard to make their slash fanfics canon. Even setting aside the obvious - that Tolkien, being a tradcath born in the 19th century, simply wouldn't have ever written such a relationship into his Legendarium nor approved of anyone thinking he would - this kind of thinking really devalues friendships and all the other kinds of human love.
Frodo was Sam's boss (not in a bizarre 'daddy' way), Sam's his gardener, and they're great friends on top of the latter being the former's loyal servant (something which I don't think the authors of these pieces can quite grasp doesn't have to be in a creepy sex-slave way), while Merry and Pippin are best friends and also first cousins. The adversity they face requires them to work together to overcome each challenge and also further deepen their bonds of friendship. The idea that oh, they must actually be boinking because they dare exhibit any emotions around each other is strikingly similar to the thought process of the grade school bully who calls everyone else gay; the even worse idea that it's because they're 'hot and have great chemistry' is dumber & more juvenile still. IIRC these close friendships were inspired by Tolkien's own friendships with the men in the trenches of WW1, which makes the attempt to sexualize them as gay relationships all the worse & more contemptible.
I'm sure someone will have mentioned it in the past 4 pages already, but romance wasn't a big part in Tolkien's writings (certainly not the way it usually balloons into a tumor the size of Saturn in much of more modern media) in part because, honestly, X wanting to bone Y and Z wanting to have 20 kids with A kinda pales in importance to the whole 'saving the world from slavery beneath the Dark Lord' thing. I think he'd feel no small amount of scorn for the people whose coomer-brains are so badly fried that they insist on focusing on making everything queer & sexual to the exclusion of everything he was actually focusing on; and although he became a noted pacifist, I can think of few things likelier to make him punch, or at least harshly dress down, someone than implying he was gay for his fellow soldiers and friends (some of whom DIED in those trenches, ex. Robert Gilson).
Yeah, maybe if you're a desperate coomer churning out bad fanfiction on AO3 or FF.net. Which is where you belong & where you should've stayed, frankly.The Guardian article said:
JustSomeGuy went into this, actually. Apparently boys aren't making the number of friends that they used to over this kind of crap - because if men or boys are seen to care for each other this is juxtaposed with being sexual in nature. It's pretty bullshit, but then one has to remember that these people are sex-obsessed and probably only think of love and affection in sexual terms, or probably think of sex as love.
AnimalNoodles
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they are degenerate coomers who know exactly what they are doing.
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Robovski
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And what is one thing that might keep you from being isolated and killing yourself? Friends. Who's way more likely to commit suicide? Men.
Terthna
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Which itself is rooted in the fact that the people pushing this nonsense are sociopathic narcissists; they mistake lust for love because they are largely incapable of actually feeling the latter.
We got a potential release date for Lord of the Rings ONLINE... I mean on Prime. *coughs*
September 2nd, 2022.
AND THE FIRST IMAGE!
Granted this was posted back in August, but since no one apparently mentioned it and its news to me, I'll consider it news for all of you as well.
Here's a video on it from a LOTR Lore Youtuber I just discovered today.
September 2nd, 2022.
AND THE FIRST IMAGE!
Granted this was posted back in August, but since no one apparently mentioned it and its news to me, I'll consider it news for all of you as well.
Here's a video on it from a LOTR Lore Youtuber I just discovered today.
On the bright side, since none of these things will reappear in the third age aka the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, this implies that they had been butchered to a man and rendered extinct.
That not enough.Half of them must be woman/one of them trans,other lesbian/ ,rest pederast and trans man.Making them multiracial would be right 10 years ago,but now - it is too little, too late.
And,of course,they must be peaciful jewish muslims fighting MAGA white orcs.
I hope,that was joke.Becouse some leftist could accuse of it.
Well, it's stupid--but it's a long held tradition of either people or at least the West. A lot of American sermons for the past few centuries, has been based around the idea of taking a piece of Scripture and using it to base your sermon around. And that comes in two forms. One is where you are original to the text to support your sermon. The other is where you tweak the text or reinterpret the text to support your sermon. People have gotten used to the idea that you can subvert Scripture to support a theological or moral point. To be fair, those pastors have a passion for the Gospel, are generally trained to understand the text, and generally come from a well-meaning point.
Progressives do not. They are more than happy to subvert a work to try and make a moral point. The problem with this though, is that they're going to hit a wall. As I said before, this isn't Harry Potter. You can do this sort of stuff with Harry Potter and get away with it, because Liberals and Progressives generally understand the moral basis of Harry Potter. Personal freedom and wuve. LotR is different. It works from a different moral matrix. If you do not have an understanding of that moral matrix, then you cannot replicate LotR's style. It is so interwoven within Tolkien's writing style, it simply doesn't work without it. That reverence for all the good in the world; a man's personal freedom, the powerful authority of the righteous king, the loyalty of friends and warriors to a cause or people, the compassion to help others and do no harm, the beauty of that which is wholesome, and the cosmic concept of karma (justice).
Understanding those concepts, how they're written into Tolkien's work, and how they affect the reader is the BASE REQUIREMENT to understand the massive undertaking you need in reaching Tolkien's level. That's the foundation of your building. Then you need actual talent, passion, and hard work to make that complete that project. I do not believe, both because of the current direction that has been released thus far and the environment within the media industry, that anyone in charge of anything has such an understanding.
At best, this will be just as horrible as the Hobbit. The worst I expect it will be, is as bad as the He-Man reboot from this past year. And we can probably reasonably expect it to be a go-between in all of these. I mean, let's look at the tight-lipped character caste:
- Beldor -- Poulter (now Robert Aramayo) is said to be playing Beldor, an optimistic, intelligent and political savvy protagonist who is nonetheless more reserved than his on-screen counterparts. Beldor will often be the straight-man in pairings with more out-sized personalities and, while young, will possess a gravitas that belies a character who could be far older.
- Tyra -- Kavenagh is said to be playing Tyra, a wide-eye characterful young teenage woman with a strength and maturity beyond her years. Tyra will provide a mix of dramatic and comedic elements.
- Oren -- Mawle is said to be playing Oren, a villain who can also evoke a deep sense of pathos built around a wounded and fallen nobility. Though the character is middle-aged, Oren will possess a certain degree of physicality and project a sense of timelessness.
- Eldien -- She is described as a complex, unique and formidable young woman in her mid-20s who possesses an eternal quality and a strong physical component.
- Brac -- the irascible and cantankerous half of a dramatic duo
- Eira -- a warm and maternal woman
- Aric -- a charismatic character with a strong physical role
- Calenon -- a ruggedly-handsome and brooding soldier hero
- Loda -- an earthy man who doesn’t give his feelings away easily
- Kari -- a self-sufficient single mother and village healer with a secret
- Hamson -- a kind and loving family man with health issues
- Cole, a charismatic but mercurial young man who has the weight of the world on his shoulders.
I personally expect this show to crater, but Amazon is not going to want to lose their money--or rather, not accept that they wasted their money, so they're probably going to support it like that cancer-ridden-asshole that is Star Trek Discovery.
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Listening to that woman was pure cancer.
But if we're going to quote LotR like it's scripture, I got a better one she should can dig into.
I think this might closely relate to what she has done to herself and others.