As if we needed more proof that Amazon's LOTR series is going to be a disaster filled with diversity hires...
And all orcs would be polish white antisemites trying to kill good jewish elves.
Lord of the Rings The Tolkien Thread
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And all orcs would be polish white antisemites trying to kill good jewish elves.
DocSolarisReich
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This all but confirms a dumpster fire in the making, unless this story is based in Harad there shouldn't be any excuse as to why there are so many African American actors in this show. (Not to sound racist, I am speaking strictly on a story/narrative basis in light with The Lord Of The Rings lore.)As if we needed more proof that Amazon's LOTR series is going to be a disaster filled with diversity hires...
I have no problems with maybe including one or two in the show to be characters from Harad, but the Haradrim don't exist outside their homelands in a significant enough number as this cast seems to imply.
Either they are planning to make a Game Of Thronesesque show with multiple POV's across Middle Earth thousands of miles apart, or they are already running it into the ground by being over inclusive.
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To be honest,there were Haradrim quests in Bree when Frodo get there,and one of them was probably Saruman spy.
But aside from that,i do not see place for any black actors in LOTR.Except in Harad army.
Unless they would made elves black.They made dryads black in Witcher,so why not elves,too?
But aside from that,i do not see place for any black actors in LOTR.Except in Harad army.
Unless they would made elves black.They made dryads black in Witcher,so why not elves,too?
Oh man Lord of the Rings as a franchise keeps delving deeper into Wokism.
babylonbee.com
Sméagol Sets Pronouns To Ourses/Theirses
Following this statement, Sméagol has made clear that once theirses Ring has been returned then theyses will be the master. “The Precious will be ourses, once the Hobbits are dead!” exclaimed the poor, wretched creature.
babylonbee.com
So,if they really made all characters lgbt+52 jewish muslim,they would target their audience.
Found a decent video on the Amazon LOTR dumpster fire in the making.
Vargas Fan
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Even if you use the Haradrim or the Easterlings, the woke brigade wouldn't be happy that these are the 'bad guys'. There was a minor spat by some people way back by the terms Tolkien used when referring to 'swarthy men'. It was just Tolkiens writing style at the time.
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Also, the idea that only coloured people are the evil humans in Middle Earth is absolute baloney. Like any other setting you will get individuals, the prime example being the Nazgul, being great Kings of Men. If you look at their portrayal in Jackson film they largely look caucasian although Tolkien named one Khamul the Easterling as a Nazgul as well. Other examples are the Corsairs, the descendants of the Gondorians who split from Gondor in the Kin-Strife though some say they have interbred with the Haradrim due to living in Umbar and the surrounding area. Another example is the 'Black Numenoreans', which doesn't indicate skin colour, but using the old trope of black being evil. Lastly we also have the Dunlendings who opposed Gondor and later Rohan, but it's hinted that the Rohirrim and Numenoreans didn't exactly treat them well. The Dunlendings come across as similiar to hill tribes and people like early Pictish.
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Also, the idea that only coloured people are the evil humans in Middle Earth is absolute baloney. Like any other setting you will get individuals, the prime example being the Nazgul, being great Kings of Men. If you look at their portrayal in Jackson film they largely look caucasian although Tolkien named one Khamul the Easterling as a Nazgul as well. Other examples are the Corsairs, the descendants of the Gondorians who split from Gondor in the Kin-Strife though some say they have interbred with the Haradrim due to living in Umbar and the surrounding area. Another example is the 'Black Numenoreans', which doesn't indicate skin colour, but using the old trope of black being evil. Lastly we also have the Dunlendings who opposed Gondor and later Rohan, but it's hinted that the Rohirrim and Numenoreans didn't exactly treat them well. The Dunlendings come across as similiar to hill tribes and people like early Pictish.
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I guess writing fanfiction about the real world is getting stale so might as well move into fantasy and make up Fake News.
AnimalNoodles
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So-called "POC" have no right to expect to be represented in a fantasy derived from western european myths any more than whites should expect to be represented in a fantasy based on Shinto.
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I guess we don't have a thread to discuss Tolkien and his works and influence and other fandom related things yet so... here we go.
And to start us off... what does His Dark Materials author Philip Pullman still think of Tolkien? 💩
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Why Do Women Have Such Small Parts in LOTR? asks Philip Pullman, Calls Tolkien's Iconic Book A 'Dead-end' - News18
In an interview with News18.com, British author Philip Pullman talks about religion, authoritarianism during the Trump Era, how libraries and books are fodders for human lives and souls.www.news18.com
Why of course he thinks Lord of the Rings is still shite... and misogynist as well!
Sexual power and mystery? If only Samwise had some sort of sexual awakening... like he starts the saga by trimming the bushes outside of Rose's window... before moving onto trimming her bushes and scouring her Shire in the climax of the third book. Also apparently Eowyn and Faramir, Aragorn and Arwen... their romances were clearly so chaste and innocent that they didn't actually have children via sex but actually they sprouted from the ground like some manner of Dwarf.
As for women playing a small part in the saga, Yes I actually agree with him. I can't think of any female characters by name from the Lord of the Rings. NOT... A... SINGLE... ONE! 👆
To be fair to Pullman, a lot of the above article seems to be the Journalist, showing his evenhandedness, bringing up the generic, stale arguments against Tolkien (and CS Lewis) like how CS Lewis apparently loathes women and portrays them poorly based off an open ended two line statement made in one book (of the five or whatever books he actually wrote populated with all manner of female characters) but I digress.
Because Pullman is a joke.
Tolkien's writing is a work of art that most writers simply cannot achieve. The closest you get in the modern era is Harry Potter. Interestingly, Tolkien's work is one that acknowledges all six dimensions of human morality; karma, liberty, compassion, loyalty, authority, and purity. If you look at Harry Potter, it hits the typical Liberal two; liberty and compassion. Voldemort is destroyed through the power of compassion. Sauron is destroyed in the Lord of the Rings through karma (his own evil coming back to bite him in the ass), liberty (of the free peoples uniting against slaves), loyalty (of the Heroes to the cause, their people, and each other), authority (the rightful king displacing the evil tyrant), and purity (all that is good destroying that which is wicked and twisted).
That I think, is impart what makes Tolkien so hard to compare to. Not only is he a great writer, not only did he write a deep and engaging universe, interesting characters, but he also engages every sense of human morality. And not only does he weave it through the overall plot, subplots, the characters, personal trials, but the very history of the world as well--which only further enriches the work.
I don't think there exists a greater writer in all of history than Tolkien and LotR is his masterpiece.
Vargas Fan
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Already put that article in the Woke franchises thread. All I can say is the casting choices so far are not promising for the Amazon series, and trying to make Merry and Pippin out to be gay is just...fucked up. It's been a while since I read the books but I believe both married, although why let such a thing as a minor plot point get in the way.
Buba
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They soooo not getting any of my money ...
DarthOne
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They certainly won't be getting any of mine.
f1onagher
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Interestingly I had a philosophical conversation with some family members about just how much impact Tolkien has had on modern culture. Terry Pratchett once stated that all fantasy is just "rearranging the furniture in Tolkien's attic". So much of our modern pop culture is directly descended from Tolkien's work due to how influential it is. That means that so much even antagonistic art marches around our society with Tolkien's Catholic beliefs stamped onto their very DNA. Its inescapable and unavoidable and must drive people like Mr. Pullman crazy.
There is a part of me that wonders if this Amazon series is the beginning of an attempt to co-opt Tolkien's legacy to more modern ends now that Christopher is no longer around to defend it.
There is a part of me that wonders if this Amazon series is the beginning of an attempt to co-opt Tolkien's legacy to more modern ends now that Christopher is no longer around to defend it.