Lord of the Rings The Tolkien Thread

[Husky_Khan]

Party At Tolkiens Place!

No mention of fireworks.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Party At Tolkiens Place!

No mention of fireworks.

They're assumed!

 

[Skallagrim]

They're assumed!

"Did you just assume my fireworks, bigot?"
-- S.J.W. Tolkien (no relation)

 

[The Whispering Monk]

"Did you just assume my fireworks, bigot?"
-- S.J.W. Tolkien (no relation)

<lights roman candle and innocently points it at the SJW imposter...>

 

[Husky_Khan]

Sauron spotted in Iceland.



Inevitable considering current events regarding the rebooting of the film franchise.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Transcripts of Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky's previously unused audio commentary on the Lord of the Rings "docudrama" series.

CHOMSKY: And here comes Bilbo Baggins. Now, this is, to my mind, where the story begins to reveal its deeper truths. In the books we learn that Saruman was spying on Gandalf for years. And he wondered why Gandalf was traveling so incessantly to the Shire. As Tolkien later establishes, the Shire's surfeit of pipe-weed is one of the major reasons for Gandalf's continued visits.

ZINN: You view the conflict as being primarily about pipe-weed, do you not?

CHOMSKY: Well, what we see here, in Hobbiton, farmers tilling crops. The thing to remember is that the crop they are tilling is, in fact, pipe-weed, an addictive drug transported and sold throughout Middle Earth for great profit.

ZINN: This is absolutely established in the books. Pipe-weed is something all the Hobbits abuse. Gandalf is smoking it constantly. You are correct when you point out that Middle Earth depends on pipe-weed in some crucial sense, but I think you may be overstating its importance. Clearly the war is not based only on the Shire's pipe-weed. Rohan and Gondor's unceasing hunger for war is a larger culprit, I would say.

Solid insightful commentary it seems. And there is intellectual disagreement between the two as well as you can readily see.

Chomsky: Naturally, it's in Rohan/Gondor's interest to keep the Orcs obscured, to make everything as restricted and dehumanizing as possible. It's always the first step toward genocide. And is this — is there anything less than genocide being advocated in this film?

Zinn: I don't think so.

Chomsky: Is there any kind of idea that men should live in peace with the Orcs?

Zinn: Think of the scenes in the prologue with all the arrows hitting these thousands of Orcs. We're supposed to think that this is a good thing.

Chomsky: I think this is a tragedy, this story. Because it's about two cultures. And poor leadership. It's a human tragedy, and an Orcish tragedy.

Apparently it's using the superior Extended Edition released on Home Media as well with the books as the obvious superior canon to compare the films against.

Unused Audio Commentary by Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky, Recorded Summer 2002 For The Fellowship Of The Ring (Platinum Series Extended Edition) DVD, Part One

CHOMSKY: The film opens with Galadriel speaking. “The world has changed,” she tells us, “I can feel it in the water.” She’s actually stealing a lin...

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[Buba]

Chomsky is an overhyped fuckwit. His opinions are worthless. A waste of time.

 

[ATP]

Chomsky is an overhyped fuckwit. His opinions are worthless. A waste of time.

Well,good when you want to laugh.And,have imagination,becouse i could imagine good peaciful orks genocided by bad elves,but Gandalf as drug ring leader....even i would never thought about that.

P.S Soviets were the same - i remember some soviet story,when Mordor is country of good humans attacked by bad Gondor,which is used by elves as tool.
Forget title,as usual.

 

[Buba]

i remember some soviet story,when Mordor is country of good humans attacked by bad Gondor,which is used by elves as tool.

I read it. Can't remember the title either.

 

[DarthOne]

I read it. Can't remember the title either.

The Last Ringbearer.

 

[ATP]

The Last Ringbearer.

Thanks,i now remember.
Soviets would always love their Mordor,and it could help explain why so many of them still love genocidal monsters like Sralin or Lenin.

And,also is very good example how soviet lie look like.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Chomsky is an overhyped fuckwit. His opinions are worthless. A waste of time.

I don't know. His analysis on the Elves is certainly spot on.

Chomsky: And then we get bathed in Aragorn-Arwen love lore. And it's the most simplistic kind of propaganda. You've got this beautiful woman who represents the Party, represents the people of the Motherland, and you have the hero. Develop a little love affair between them.

Zinn: A love affair between the putative hero and the personified Motherland concept, you mean.

Chomsky: Right. The humans are all so entranced by the Elves' completely mythological power. It's a spell that has been cast upon them.

Zinn: I see the humans, embodied by Aragorn, as being indicative of a sort of middle-class longing.

Chomsky: It keeps them striving. If you're a good enough man, you can be an Elf.

Zinn: An Elf. As if that's the best thing to be.

Preach it Brothers!

Also the fact that Boromir is is favorite character in the Fellowship was a delightful revelation.

Zinn: Why do you suppose it is that the Elves don't want the ring to stay in Rivendell? Isn't this obvious proof that the ring is nothing but a device to be used against Mordor?

Chomsky: This is their justification for war. That's why Boromir is so insightful when he says, basically, "Why don't we use it? If this ring's so great, who don't we use the damn thing?"

Zinn: And what happens to Boromir? The Orcs are tricked into killing him. Thus silencing him.

...

Zinn: Boromir is the only one honest enough to talk about what the real story is here.

Chomsky: Boromir's an interesting case. His culture is threatened by the Orcs in a very real way. But he's also seen that this occupation of Orc land is engendered by his people's own aggressive policies. So he's like an enlightened Israeli who looks at the situation and says, "If I were in their situation, I would be just like them."

Zinn: Boromir here is talking about the eye, and how horrible Mordor is, which reveals the basic limitations of his cultural situation. Boromir embodies the prejudices of his culture, but I too think he's an interestingly problematic figure. He's really the only one who understands… my God. Look at this. Keep in mind that these are supposed to be Middle Earth's enlightened people at this Council, and they're all fighting, they all hate one another.

Chomsky: It's just so complicated, the webs of relationships.

Revealing stuff.

 

[DarthOne]

Thanks,i now remember.
Soviets would always love their Mordor,and it could help explain why so many of them still love genocidal monsters like Sralin or Lenin.

And,also is very good example how soviet lie look like.

 

[ATP]