Star Wars The Mandalorian

ShadowArxxy

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Legends had the NR actually welcome most Imperial defectors, so long as they weren't high level war criminals, or rogues like Bevel Lemlisk who nearly gave the Hutts a Death Star.

I would argue it's actually not unreasonable for the NR to say, "If you actually had a conscience, you could have defected at any point during the actual Galactic Civil War. Defecting *after* it's said and done doesn't cut it so much."

Keep in mind that the NR is pretty much emulating the actual Allied treatment of Germany and Japan after WWII. In fact, it's actually being more lenient, since the Allies retroactively designated all German POWs as "illegal combatants" post-surrender and subsequently used them as outright slave labor. The NR's only doing that to *unrepentant* Imperials, as opposed to *all* POWs.
 

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
You could cast Chow Yun-fat, for instance. He already portrayed Cao Cao in another film, even. If you want to go for more of a character playing the role that Werner Herzog didn't get to play (because they really wasted him, too) you could consider Tzi Ma, perhaps. Naturally, there are many other options.
The actor who plays Cao Cao in one of the more recent Chinese adaptions of Three Kingdoms is absolutely awesome. Alas, he wouldn’t speak English.

I'm totally in favour of "Moff Cao Cao". You can have him as a major background threat first, then see him unite the Imperial faction, and finally have him narrowly defeated in an epic space battle anaolgous to the Battle of the Red Cliffs. This prevents Imperial re-conquest of the galaxy, but leaves him in charge of a third of it. (That third then becomes the "hermit kingdom" that later evolves into the First Order, presumably-- albeit hopefully a less moronic version thereof.)
Three Kingdoms is actually a great thing to take inspiration from as it keeps in line with a lot of Star Wars’s more eastern influences. Granted, I don’t think Moff Cao Cao could ever found something like the First Order because he, apparently, was a good administrator and a ruthless but not terrible person. His empire might not actually be an awful place to live…

So, given this new inspiration…does that mean we could have a very fat Imperial Moff from the Outer Rim, with a profoundly untrustworthy adopted son, backstab Mas Amedda to take control of Coruscant and set the shit show into motion?
 

Jormungandr

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If Ewan actually did something like this, I'd laugh my arse off: I know he couldn't because it'd sour his relationship with Darth Mouse, but it'd be hilarious nonetheless.

Henry Cavill, if he had a role in Star Wars, I could see doing this, though -- the guy is a chad geek, heh.
 

Skallagrim

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Had a few moments to spare, watched episode 4. My impression of this season thus far is that its first four episodes are pretty mediocre, mostly because there's so much filler. (And even if that filler is meant to set things up... it's setting up things I don't care for.)

This fourth episode does have a cool surprise (at least, I didn't know it was coming). I'll put my comments on that below a spoiler cut.

I didn't really need a whole flash-back about how Grogu escaped from the clone troopers, but having him be saved by a highly competent Jedi played by Ahmed 'Jar Jar' Best was a nice touch. I know Disney is just doing it for sympathy points, but Best really deserves to be able to enjoy SW again. If he's happy to play this part, I'm happy for him.

Overall, though, I think the Mando stuff from BoBF (somewhat re-written) should have been Ep 1 of this season, and then actual Ep1-4 could have been condensed and re-written to be Eps 2 and 3. As it stands, the pacing and the amount of filler and side-tracking in these firt episodes is comparable to BoBF. Which is not a good thing.

One tentative compliment, though (again below a spoiler cut):

They do zag when you expect them to zig. I was pretty certain they were going to make Din's Mando covert into hostile cultists, but they are actually portrayed as rigid but loyal. And then it seemed like they were going with the obvious "make the Vizsla guy the opponent" plot, but now he comes across as basically decent, too.

If they keep refraining from the obvious choices, that might be cool. Sure, the result is then -- obviously -- a bit of a Mando-wank where these guys finally start uniting and kicking ass again... but you know, I'd watch that.
 

Zachowon

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So newest episode makes me go..
Huh.
Is Bo falling for it or is she trying to figure out what is going on.

And I think Armorer has alterier motives.

We also know what happend to Grogu
 

Zachowon

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Had a few moments to spare, watched episode 4. My impression of this season thus far is that its first four episodes are pretty mediocre, mostly because there's so much filler. (And even if that filler is meant to set things up... it's setting up things I don't care for.)

This fourth episode does have a cool surprise (at least, I didn't know it was coming). I'll put my comments on that below a spoiler cut.

I didn't really need a whole flash-back about how Grogu escaped from the clone troopers, but having him be saved by a highly competent Jedi played by Ahmed 'Jar Jar' Best was a nice touch. I know Disney is just doing it for sympathy points, but Best really deserves to be able to enjoy SW again. If he's happy to play this part, I'm happy for him.

Overall, though, I think the Mando stuff from BoBF (somewhat re-written) should have been Ep 1 of this season, and then actual Ep1-4 could have been condensed and re-written to be Eps 2 and 3. As it stands, the pacing and the amount of filler and side-tracking in these firt episodes is comparable to BoBF. Which is not a good thing.

One tentative compliment, though (again below a spoiler cut):

They do zag when you expect them to zig. I was pretty certain they were going to make Din's Mando covert into hostile cultists, but they are actually portrayed as rigid but loyal. And then it seemed like they were going with the obvious "make the Vizsla guy the opponent" plot, but now he comes across as basically decent, too.

If they keep refraining from the obvious choices, that might be cool. Sure, the result is then -- obviously -- a bit of a Mando-wank where these guys finally start uniting and kicking ass again... but you know, I'd watch that.
Give Karen Traviss a chance to write.

I definitelyagree with the last part. I am wondering where they are going eith this.

though i think Bo is nit truly buying into it but is trying to figure out what she saw. Though she looked sad and lonely eating
 

Sailor.X

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So newest episode makes me go..
Huh.
Is Bo falling for it or is she trying to figure out what is going on.

And I think Armorer has alterier motives.

We also know what happend to Grogu
The Armourer wants to get Mandos to follow the old way of the Mandalorians. Which means conquering and subjugating worlds. Dinn does not know all of Mandalorian history. If he did he would confront the Armorer.
 

Zachowon

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The Armourer wants to get Mandos to follow the old way of the Mandalorians. Which means conquering and subjugating worlds. Dinn does not know all of Mandalorian history. If he did he would confront the Armorer.
Maybe.
Bo is trying to figure something out is what I'm thinking
 

ThatZenoGuy

Zealous Evolutionary Nano Organism
Episode 1 and 2 kinda pissed me off about IG-11.

"Hey guys lets repair IG-11, we need a cool droid!" "Oh fuck, ooh fuck we can't afford his CGI budget, quick rewrite!" "Oops! Sorry, we can't find his parts, lets just use an astromech droid instead!"
 

Robovski

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Episode 1 and 2 kinda pissed me off about IG-11.

"Hey guys lets repair IG-11, we need a cool droid!" "Oh fuck, ooh fuck we can't afford his CGI budget, quick rewrite!" "Oops! Sorry, we can't find his parts, lets just use an astromech droid instead!"
That's fair, it was a character with a lot to enjoy and they took down it's memorial and then went "eh, too hard" and threw in trashbot.

Catching epsiode 4 with my wife tonight after work, alonbg with the Bad Batch. I'll try to return so I can catch up on tonight's goings on.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Episode 1 and 2 kinda pissed me off about IG-11.

"Hey guys lets repair IG-11, we need a cool droid!" "Oh fuck, ooh fuck we can't afford his CGI budget, quick rewrite!" "Oops! Sorry, we can't find his parts, lets just use an astromech droid instead!"

I'm pretty sure they plan the entire season sequence out in advance, so this may very well be a plot hook for later rather than a last-minute revision.
And I'm pretty sure that Episode 2 doesn't actually work if you have IG-11 repaired immediately, because there's no need for Grogu to flee to Bo-Katan if IG is already backing up the Mando
 

ThatZenoGuy

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I'm pretty sure they plan the entire season sequence out in advance, so this may very well be a plot hook for later rather than a last-minute revision.
And I'm pretty sure that Episode 2 doesn't actually work if you have IG-11 repaired immediately, because there's no need for Grogu to flee to Bo-Katan if IG is already backing up the Mando
Could have IG-11 and Mando be captured by cyborg organ harvester man?
 

ShadowArxxy

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Could have IG-11 and Mando be captured by cyborg organ harvester man?
Possible but implausible. Relatively poor situational awareness and over-reliance on his ability to tank hits with beskar armor have consistently been Din's weakness. Both IG and Bo-Katan have consistently demonstrated excellent situational awareness, with IG having literal 360-degree vision.
 

Typhonis

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IG may also have other ways of tracking things. A built-in motion tracker and the ability to annalize nearby sounds.
 

Husky_Khan

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That last episode was kinda decent. The opening bit was somewhat eyeroll inducing but the rest of it was fine I guess. Just didn't really hold my attention that much. Not really anything to talk about.

I guess I should be happy it was focused on the actual Mandalorians doing Mandalorian things.
 

ShadowArxxy

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IG may also have other ways of tracking things. A built-in motion tracker and the ability to annalize nearby sounds.
At minimum, IG-11 visibly has three main visual photoreceptors on dual independent rotating mounts, plus a 360-degree ring of lesser sensors, and his combat style is clearly centered on being able to track in all directions and engage in multiple directions with extremely accurate dual-wielding.
 

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