Star Wars The Mandalorian

[ShadowArxxy]

Dinn lost the Saber in combat. He was literally bested. He can't just say mine again when he is literally rescued by Bo wielding the Saber. If other Mandos had seen the fight. Would they have wanted Dinn to remain Mandalore if he lost a fight in such a manner? I think not.

Given that Bo-Katan made no move to claim the saber afterwards— she literally piles it with the rest of his stuff after rescuing him and doesn’t make any comment whatsoever about it — she clearly disagrees. Oh, she knows she could easily defeat him in any actual duel for it, she’s a vastly more skilled fighter, but a huge part of her current character is the whole depressed, demoralized slump she’s in.

(For that matter, she damn well knew she could have taken it from him at the end of Season 2 finale; it’s just that she apparently felt that challenging him on the spot would have been dishonorable under the circumstances.)

 

[Sailor.X]

Given that Bo-Katan made no move to claim the saber afterwards— she literally piles it with the rest of his stuff after rescuing him and doesn’t make any comment whatsoever about it — she clearly disagrees. Oh, she knows she could easily defeat him in any actual duel for it, she’s a vastly more skilled fighter, but a huge part of her current character is the whole depressed, demoralized slump she’s in.

(For that matter, she damn well knew she could have taken it from him at the end of Season 2 finale; it’s just that she apparently felt that challenging him on the spot would have been dishonorable under the circumstances.)

Or she did not want to kick him while he was down. Tact is a thing you know.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

(For that matter, she damn well knew she could have taken it from him at the end of Season 2 finale; it’s just that she apparently felt that challenging him on the spot would have been dishonorable under the circumstances.)

Or she did not want to kick him while he was down. Tact is a thing you know.

I also think it's a matter of Din having earned a level of her respect.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Bo is probably better suited to rule and lead than Din by a country mile. Although he is a great warrior he has very little experience with leadership on such a scale, and was essentially raised by people who are crazy cultists by Mandalorian standards.

Bo, whilst not the best at it, did grow up in court life, so has some knowledge of politics. And you could do far worse for a battlefield commander.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Bo is probably better suited to rule and lead than Din by a country mile. Although he is a great warrior he has very little experience with leadership on such a scale, and was essentially raised by people who are crazy cultists by Mandalorian standards.

Bo, whilst not the best at it, did grow up in court life, so has some knowledge of politics. And you could do far worse for a battlefield commander.

Agreed.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Agreed.

Also, I’d add that her decision to not kick Din whilst he was down demonstrates some hard learned tact, honour, and decency. This isn’t quite the person who unwittingly helped cause the death of her sister anymore.

 

[Sailor.X]

He brings up some good points.

 

[S'task]

(For that matter, Bo-Katan didn't seem to anticipate that being a thing, implying that the abrupt cut was due to collapse rather than it was always that way.)

You could clearly see it in her body language she didn't know about the drop. She was very clearly watching him, slightly bemused but being quietly respectful as he went in and when he just went *plonk* down her face clearly changed to surprised panic. She clearly expected him to walk out, probably dunk himself and walk back not plummet to the bottom of a massive chasm. Based on how she was acting before I think she expected to then sign some sort of digital record of him doing so (to provide a witness and authenticity) with a roll of her eyes and then headed back up where they would part ways...

And then she saw THAT... and I suspect she's gonna have a bit of a... religious experience herself.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

You could clearly see it in her body language she didn't know about the drop. She was very clearly watching him, slightly bemused but being quietly respectful as he went in and when he just went *plonk* down her face clearly changed to surprised panic. She clearly expected him to walk out, probably dunk himself and walk back not plummet to the bottom of a massive chasm. Based on how she was acting before I think she expected to then sign some sort of digital record of him doing so (to provide a witness and authenticity) with a roll of her eyes and then headed back up where they would part ways...

And then she saw THAT... and I suspect she's gonna have a bit of a... religious experience herself.

Yeah, I agree with your interpretation. Given the symbolic value of the Mythosaur to Mandalorians, and the fact that they were thought extinct, Bo-Katan is definitely having her own think. I don't think she's going to adopt the more fundamentalist views of the Children, but she's likely to take the traditions quite a bit more seriously after that experience!

It is perhaps worth pointing out that as a Death Watch member, Bo-Katan was always more traditional versus the New Mandalorians. The Children are *hardliner* traditionalists to a far greater degree, but both the Death Watch and the True Mandalorians were always traditionalist factions, versus the New Mandalorians who weren't just a "peace faction", but outright quislings aligned with the Republic and actively seeking the genocide of their own people to complete the job of the Excision.

 

[Sailor.X]

You could clearly see it in her body language she didn't know about the drop. She was very clearly watching him, slightly bemused but being quietly respectful as he went in and when he just went *plonk* down her face clearly changed to surprised panic. She clearly expected him to walk out, probably dunk himself and walk back not plummet to the bottom of a massive chasm. Based on how she was acting before I think she expected to then sign some sort of digital record of him doing so (to provide a witness and authenticity) with a roll of her eyes and then headed back up where they would part ways...

And then she saw THAT... and I suspect she's gonna have a bit of a... religious experience herself.

Yeah, I agree with your interpretation. Given the symbolic value of the Mythosaur to Mandalorians, and the fact that they were thought extinct, Bo-Katan is definitely having her own think. I don't think she's going to adopt the more fundamentalist views of the Children, but she's likely to take the traditions quite a bit more seriously after that experience!

It should be noted also that had Bo not shown up Dinn would have died. First by the Great Value Grevious. And if he had managed to beat it and gotten to the water successfully. By drowning on the lake bed. Kind of makes me wonder what the motives of the Armorer really are. I mean if Dinn was to become Mandalore (I don't think he will but that is just my OP) The Armorer would lose defacto control of the sect. Dinn would flat out rank her and could change doctrine. She is a cult leader and can't have that. You can't have people go against the rules of a cult. When you look back on everything all of her advice and decisions are totally sus.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

It should be noted also that had Bo not shown up Dinn would have died. First by the Great Value Grevious. And if he had managed to beat it and gotten to the water successfully. By drowning on the lake bed. Kind of makes me wonder what the motives of the Armorer really are. I mean if Dinn was to become Mandalore (I don't think he will but that is just my OP) The Armorer would lose defacto control of the sect. Dinn would flat out rank her and could change doctrine. She is a cult leader and can't have that. You can't have people go against the rules of a cult. When you look back on everything all of her advice and decisions are totally sus.

I don't think the Armorer would lose control of the sect, because it appears pretty clear that Mandalorian armorers fill the traditional role of clan elder and lorekeeper, whereas Mand'alor is a meta-leader over the clans. Totally different level of authority.

It also sounds like even outside the Children of the Watch, bathing in the Living Waters is the traditional rite of passage for a Mandalorian youth, combining aspects of baptism, adult rite of passage, and knighting ceremony. Bo-Katan clearly seems to be mentioning it in that context, and that's even with her upbringing being New Mandalorian. Also notice the shoreline induction ceremony of the Children clearly mirrors it, and almost certainly would have been performed in the Mines if it was still possible.

Seriously, Din coming back to the Children with news that the Living Waters are intact and the surface of Mandalore is blasted but inhabitable is going to be a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE deal. Mandalore *already rebuilt from orbital devastation* at least once before in its history, the only reason they haven't been waiting to come back and rebuild again was the belief that the Empire did something that would permanently poison the surface.


Edit: Also, Disney definitely did their homework, with the massive blast craters of trinitite glass.

 

[Sailor.X]

I don't think the Armorer would lose control of the sect, because it appears pretty clear that Mandalorian armorers fill the traditional role of clan elder and lorekeeper, whereas Mand'alor is a meta-leader over the clans. Totally different level of authority.

It also sounds like even outside the Children of the Watch, bathing in the Living Waters is the traditional rite of passage for a Mandalorian youth, combining aspects of baptism, adult rite of passage, and knighting ceremony. Bo-Katan clearly seems to be mentioning it in that context, and that's even with her upbringing being New Mandalorian. Also notice the shoreline induction ceremony of the Children clearly mirrors it, and almost certainly would have been performed in the Mines if it was still possible.

Seriously, Din coming back to the Children with news that the Living Waters are intact and the surface of Mandalore is blasted but inhabitable is going to be a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE deal. Mandalore *already rebuilt from orbital devastation* at least once before in its history, the only reason they haven't been waiting to come back and rebuild again was the belief that the Empire did something that would permanently poison the surface.


Edit: Also, Disney definitely did their homework, with the massive blast craters of trinitite glass.

To be honest I don't think Dinn should go back to the Watch. They treated him like Dog Shit for removing his helmet. Even after he saved their lives from a small South Carolina Gator. Is that the type of people a Hero should hang around. A group so entrenched in their dogma that they won't even consider they could be wrong in treating him like the scum of the Earth. They are a small group for a reason. They don't have many members given the amount of Mandos in the galaxy.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

To be honest I don't think Dinn should go back to the Watch. They treated him like Dog Shit for removing his helmet. Even after he saved their lives from a small South Carolina Gator. Is that the type of people a Hero should hang around. A group so entrenched in their dogma that they won't even consider they could be wrong in treating him like the scum of the Earth. They are a small group for a reason. They don't have many members given the amount of Mandos in the galaxy.

I disagree. They don't treat him like scum at all; the only one he actually speaks to is the Armorer, and she's completely matter-of-fact with him.

 

[Skallagrim]

To summarise:

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Armorer reminds me of when I'm DM'ing and the adventure gore off the rails.

"Oh you want to keep the kid? Well uhh actually he belongs to an order of Sorcerers called Jedi... You gotta go find them by looking for other Mandalorian because... We were rivals back in the day."

---

"Not taking off your helmet was literally your character idea... So uhhh actually you got to go to the... Waters of Mandalore and bathe there."

"Didn't you say Mandalore is destroyed?"

"..... Yep."

"Also I want the Kid as a henchman again... I really like how you portrayed him."

". Thanks."

 

[Sailor.X]

I disagree. They don't treat him like scum at all; the only one he actually speaks to is the Armorer, and she's completely matter-of-fact with him.

Big and Dumb Vizla flat out calls him an Apostate to his face in a hostile manner. So I very much disagree. Dinn is better off hanging out with other Mandos and Boba Fett.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Big and Dumb Vizla flat out calls him an Apostate to his face in a hostile manner. So I very much disagree. Dinn is better off hanging out with other Mandos and Boba Fett.

I don't think that's treating him like scum. That's literally...one mildly hostile word, which is factually correct.

 

[Sailor.X]

I don't think that's treating him like scum. That's literally...one mildly hostile word, which is factually correct.

That is what people in a cult do. The watch are not what I would call good people. Dinn as far as I am concerned is the only good one.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

That is what people in a cult do. The watch are not what I would call good people. Dinn as far as I am concerned is the only good one.

The Children of the Watch might not be the best people in the galaxy, but they're better than Death Watch in not being actively murderous terrorists killing everyone who disagrees with them, and they're better than the New Mandalorians in not being genocidal quislings with utterly insane ideas about pacifism. Since the True Mandalorians have been extinct for decades at this point and neither of the two "hero" Mandalorians we know of -- Sabine Wren and Bo-Katan -- really have a faction at this point, the Children are at least by default the most reasonable Mandalorian faction.

 

[Sailor.X]

The Children of the Watch might not be the best people in the galaxy, but they're better than Death Watch in not being actively murderous terrorists killing everyone who disagrees with them, and they're better than the New Mandalorians in not being genocidal quislings with utterly insane ideas about pacifism. Since the True Mandalorians have been extinct for decades at this point and neither of the two "hero" Mandalorians we know of -- Sabine Wren and Bo-Katan -- really have a faction at this point, the Children are at least by default the most reasonable Mandalorian faction.

There is nothing reasonable or smart about the watch. Points at having a ceremony in water they didn't check for Kaiju. These are not the people that should lead anything. All they are is a cult.