Israel The Long Term Fate of Israel

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Respectfully, you speak as if the survival of nations is just a matter of skill and experience, but in reality you cannot long endure in a sea of people not your own. The measures required to bite and hold land against a great mass break down civil society, break down the will to fight on in some and make others fanatics, and we see that already in disturbing areas of Israeli society. It happened to the Crusaders, too.
 

Tyzuris

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And anyone who thinks giving Palestinians their own nation will produce peace is a fool. They'll first spend so much on military that Palestinians will be worse off, then take advantage of Israeli being so thin to be 100% within artillery range and Palestinians will be trying to destroy every jew in Middle-East with the support of their Arab brothers. Because the aim of Arabs is to kill off Jews in the Middle-East. Palestinians also don't want peace considering they've walked out of negotiations to give them their own state. During the past half a century they've indoctrinated their own children with propaganda to want to cleanse Middle-East of Jews. And now half a century later, they have a full three-generation Jew hating populace with aim to destroy Israel and her citizens.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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There's the possibility of genocide, but I don't know what would it take to push Israel to that direction. And honestly?
I'm too scared to ask. Because it would take something really bad like the entirely of Jerusalem being burned down.
 

Aaron Fox

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There's the possibility of genocide, but I don't know what would it take to push Israel to that direction. And honestly?
I'm too scared to ask. Because it would take something really bad like the entirely of Jerusalem being burned down.
It's called 'Operation Ketsugō style shit on the Palestinians part'. If you read up on Operation Downfall, then you know how bad it would be.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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It's called 'Operation Ketsugō style shit on the Palestinians part'.
Is that really the name?

EDIT: But yeah, warfare where the enemy has entrenched himself deeply and an entire nation worth of fanatical people, is always a nightmare, even with every possible advance. The anti-semitism from the EU and the NATO won't help either.
 

Terthna

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And anyone who thinks giving Palestinians their own nation will produce peace is a fool. They'll first spend so much on military that Palestinians will be worse off, then take advantage of Israeli being so thin to be 100% within artillery range and Palestinians will be trying to destroy every jew in Middle-East with the support of their Arab brothers. Because the aim of Arabs is to kill off Jews in the Middle-East. Palestinians also don't want peace considering they've walked out of negotiations to give them their own state. During the past half a century they've indoctrinated their own children with propaganda to want to cleanse Middle-East of Jews. And now half a century later, they have a full three-generation Jew hating populace with aim to destroy Israel and her citizens.
Of course, even after they accomplish that, it's not like their hatred is just going to go away; they'll need to find another target for it. I suspect it'll either be the other Middle Eastern states, or the Western states; perhaps both.
 

Tyzuris

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Of course, even after they accomplish that, it's not like their hatred is just going to go away; they'll need to find another target for it. I suspect it'll either be the other Middle Eastern states, or the Western states; perhaps both.
First they are coming for the Jews, then for the Christians followed up by the left leaning liberals being all Pikachu meme when they come for them and the human rights they yap their mouths on about.
 
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Of course, even after they accomplish that, it's not like their hatred is just going to go away; they'll need to find another target for it. I suspect it'll either be the other Middle Eastern states, or the Western states; perhaps both.

I think that might be stretching the metaphor too far, to be honest. The peace of the grave probably would prevail.
 

Cheesesteaks

A true son of Philadelphia
The western bank has reached a point where they no longer have a continuous enough mass of land under their control to have a semblance of independence from Israel without expelling all the Jewish settlements in their vicinity. As a third party observer, one of the reasons the settlements take such a center stage is because they put everything under Israeli control, in much the same way the Israelis originally gained de facto ownership of land under British rule. It really is quite brilliant.

I also deeply suspect that it is left unspoken but understood geopolitically that as soon as the US withdraws their guarantee of Israel, Israel attempts to take as much land around them as they can maintain control of due to their concerns about a lack of "Strategic Depth" , Israel can't effectively respond to invasion due to being a postage stamp of a country, which would be a less than ideal outcome for any president no matter how much political capital they get from anti-israel movements.

So long as the status quo is maintained, something that isn't going to be easy to do, I predict that the israeli-palestine conflict resolves itself within the next two generations at most. Gaza probably having many people forcibly relocated and the rest absorbed into Egypt.
 

CarlManvers2019

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And anyone who thinks giving Palestinians their own nation will produce peace is a fool. They'll first spend so much on military that Palestinians will be worse off, then take advantage of Israeli being so thin to be 100% within artillery range and Palestinians will be trying to destroy every jew in Middle-East with the support of their Arab brothers. Because the aim of Arabs is to kill off Jews in the Middle-East. Palestinians also don't want peace considering they've walked out of negotiations to give them their own state. During the past half a century they've indoctrinated their own children with propaganda to want to cleanse Middle-East of Jews. And now half a century later, they have a full three-generation Jew hating populace with aim to destroy Israel and her citizens.

And how many people in the West even know about all this in detail? Because Hollywood and the Media people consume prey on sheer ignorance and a willingness to be indoctrinated
 

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