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Terthna

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I don't like it, but I guess it's easy and cheap to animate.
Character designers deserve far more recognition then they currently do; because those who are talented and experienced can make a cartoon not look like hundreds of others. Shows that look like that are what happens when you hire people to design your characters who just graduated from college.
 

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Star Trek: Lower Decks is premiering August 6, and its lead ship is appropriately lame:


They could only make this lamer by making it look like USS Curry.


.....I genuinely cannot fathom the thought process behind this design. What's wrong with just using a normal nebula, why change it up into this absurd looking thing?
 

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.....I genuinely cannot fathom the thought process behind this design. What's wrong with just using a normal nebula, why change it up into this absurd looking thing?
Because it's supposed to be a lame ass starship stuck on second contact missions, which happens to run into other kinds of Trek bullshit.

Remember, this is a comedy show, so almost everything is going to be used for some kind of comedic effect.
 

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Because it's supposed to be a lame ass starship stuck on second contact missions, which happens to run into other kinds of Trek bullshit.

Remember, this is a comedy show, so almost everything is going to be used for some kind of comedic effect.

I guess, but you can have a comedy show with a ship design that's not absurd. Galaxy Quest and Orville managed it.
 

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I guess, but you can have a comedy show with a ship design that's not absurd. Galaxy Quest and Orville managed it.
Yes, but it's a Trek joke, because Trek has a track record of slapping together crap looking ships out of parts of other Trek ships. DS9 has an entire fleet of these things:

This thing is completely in keeping with Starfleet and Trek history, which is why it is almost perfect (although it can actually get better if there's an in-show reason for the goofy long pylons for the nacelles).
 

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Looks like Red Letter Media bumbled into an internet feud with William Shatner of all people. As expected, in this phony War, the real victim isn't William Shatner whose being spammed and bombarded by RLM fans, or Red Letter Media for their shameless history of corporate shilling and product placement on their podcasts, or even the Star Trek franchise as a whole.

The true victim like always is Mike Stoklasa's love of Star Trek. As if the past few years haven't been rough enough for his archaic and obsolete affinity for the Trek franchise, now he has the most iconic actor in Star Trek now regularly dunking on him in social media. :LOL:

Nothing like seeing your celebrity heroes take dump after dump on you like the peasant you almost forgot you actually are. Hopefully he learns from this moment, unlike William Shatner.
 


Looks like Red Letter Media bumbled into an internet feud with William Shatner of all people. As expected, in this phony War, the real victim isn't William Shatner whose being spammed and bombarded by RLM fans, or Red Letter Media for their shameless history of corporate shilling and product placement on their podcasts, or even the Star Trek franchise as a whole.

The true victim like always is Mike Stoklasa's love of Star Trek. As if the past few years haven't been rough enough for his archaic and obsolete affinity for the Trek franchise, now he has the most iconic actor in Star Trek now regularly dunking on him in social media. :LOL:

Nothing like seeing your celebrity heroes take dump after dump on you like the peasant you almost forgot you actually are. Hopefully he learns from this moment, unlike William Shatner.



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The hype for Star Trek: Picard was huge going into its premiere early this year, with Trek fans freaking out over having Patrick Stewart back as Jean-Luc after almost 20 years. And while the show definitely has a lot of fans, it received a similar reception to Discovery in that some sections of the fandom didn’t take to its more mature, contemporary approach to the franchise and the classic characters.
(Different article).

This is just?

Like everything wrong with the culture today. “Mature” meaning graphic unnecessary violence, drug use and nihilism. Literally wallowing in vice.

That’s maturity and being contemporary apparently.

I mean a 50% drop is pretty bad. Disproves the notion it’s a bunch of whiny sexist youtubers or whatever the excuse is this week.
 

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I saw the first episode of lower decks, I liked it enough. That being said I didn't really go in with high expectations, but it serves its purpose, a cartoon with a startrek paint on it. It's not trying to dictate cannon or lore to you(so far). There was minimal if any outright sexual humor as well which is always a plus for me. If things devolve into that or fart jokes within the first episode or at all really...... thats a bad sign, it means they can't come up with anything and are just going for taboo/grossness or the LGBT pander.
 
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Something more fun to bump this thread and talk about.

Startrek.com made a post ranking their top ethical quandaries and moral impasses faced by the Star Trek command crews over the years and series...


Looking over the list, they substantially overstate the situation Georgiou faced, it was very clear that Burman's "advice" was unsound and not based in anything more than Burman's own issues with the Klingons. Also, as the article notes her decision ultimately changed nothing.....and as the article doesn't note, she followed up that inconsequential "choice" by booby trapping the corpses of enemy soldiers, which is a bona-fide war crime.

In the Pale Moonlight is probably the most interesting one on the list, because it's one of the few that didn't have the captain make the moral choice or find a third option. Should go higher on the list.

Can't speak to Pike's thing, I quit watching STD.

Tuvix was a predictable choice for this list, though I think "Nothing Human" is better, because the questions Nothing Human raises are a lot more real than those in Tuvix.

For Enterprise....well, it wasn't Dear Doctor, thankfully, but "Similitude" still felt very weak as an episode.....though Enterprise itself was also kinda weak, so there's that.

"I, Borg" was pretty good at the time, but later media that established that A) the crew's plan would never, ever work, B) Picard clearly changed his mind at some point about his choice here given the events of STFC, and C) They really, really, really should have Hugh take one for the team for this one. The phrase "needs of the many" comes to mind.

And then of course there's City on The Edge of Forever, which oddly had them do exactly that, though frankly the casuality rate of Kirk's love interests takes a lot of the sting out of this.
 

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Biggest off to me was the Prime Directive.

On the surface level, the Prime Directive makes sense. It's to discourage Starfleet from being imperialistic. Good intentions may wind up to one thing naturally leading to another. "Oh, should uplift these people" "we know best. Do what we say". "If we have a little more control, we can make things so much better!".

The problem is that the Prime Directive is often used as an excuse to allow more suffering to occur than if Starfleet had just intervened, even if they had wind up becoming rather imperialistic. I am reminded of an episode in TNG, where Picard was willing to allow an entire race of people on a planet be wiped out by a natural disaster because of "muh prime directive". It's only because of the intervention of Worf's brother that they lived.

And then you also have the problem that Federation does not exist in a vacuum. There are other imperialistic powers out there: the Klingons, the Romulans, the Carassians, etc. If you don't go after a planet, well, they will. And from what we've seen, Star Trek consistently portrays alien occupation by the Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians as horrifying. I'm sure everyone would prefer to have been annexed by the Federation instead.

(I'm also reminded of that time in TNG, when the Enterprise was sent to help the Klingons put down a rebellion on one of their conquered slave planets. Then again, Starfleet never had a spine to begin with).


Tuvix particularly stuck with me because it's one of the few instances where the protagonists unambiguously commit an act of EVIL. They straight up murdered him. Sure, maybe 2 is more valuable than 1, but it's still murder and it's creepy watching how literally no one on the crew lifts a finger at this.

Oh, also, don't forget that time when a cabal of crazy self-proclaimed "I do what must be done" agents (who are tacitly enabled by Starfleet Command) synthesized a virus with the intent of wiping out an entire race. If the Changelings hadn't surrendered and literally anyone in the DS9 cast had revealed the truth, that the Federation genocided a world (even one they were at war with), ohhhhhh boy. Look at today; 80 years later the US still can't live down the bombings of Japan, and the Holocaust - which didn't fully succeed - is always brought up. Now imagine if the virus really HAD wiped out the Changelings. The Federation would collapse.
 

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(I'm also reminded of that time in TNG, when the Enterprise was sent to help the Klingons put down a rebellion on one of their conquered slave planets. Then again, Starfleet never had a spine to begin with).

I...don't think you're remembering correctly, to my knowledge of the sort ever happened.

Oh, also, don't forget that time when a cabal of crazy self-proclaimed "I do what must be done" agents (who are tacitly enabled by Starfleet Command) synthesized a virus with the intent of wiping out an entire race. If the Changelings hadn't surrendered and literally anyone in the DS9 cast had revealed the truth, that the Federation genocided a world (even one they were at war with), ohhhhhh boy. Look at today; 80 years later the US still can't live down the bombings of Japan, and the Holocaust - which didn't fully succeed - is always brought up. Now imagine if the virus really HAD wiped out the Changelings. The Federation would collapse.

That one I'm a bit more ok with. The Changelings already had a record of multiple genocides and attempted genocides under thier belt, and unlike something like the Holocaust where large portions of the german population had no idea what was going on, there's no evidence any of the founder were opposed to things like the Teplan blight, the attempted genocide of Bajor, the planned extermination of earth, etc etc etc, and worse because of the great link, they all knew that such things happened and did nothing. Wiping out the founders was an entirely valid response to the actions of their own genocidal regime.
 

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Looks like Red Letter Media bumbled into an internet feud with William Shatner of all people. As expected, in this phony War, the real victim isn't William Shatner whose being spammed and bombarded by RLM fans, or Red Letter Media for their shameless history of corporate shilling and product placement on their podcasts, or even the Star Trek franchise as a whole.

The true victim like always is Mike Stoklasa's love of Star Trek. As if the past few years haven't been rough enough for his archaic and obsolete affinity for the Trek franchise, now he has the most iconic actor in Star Trek now regularly dunking on him in social media. :LOL:

Nothing like seeing your celebrity heroes take dump after dump on you like the peasant you almost forgot you actually are. Hopefully he learns from this moment, unlike William Shatner.

Um Shattner is not a Boomer. Shattner is from the Silent Generation. ;)
 

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