Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[Paladin Wulfen]

Whitney Heights, where this house stood, was built up in mountainside terraces of stucco-clad Spanish revival dwellings, up to a mile above the rest of the city on the lower slopes of the Sierra Nevada – a place for the greatest and best of the NCR’s great and good. He looked over the sprawling city so far below, lit by the brilliant rays of the setting sun in a blaze of orange and gold – Aradesh District in the north encradling the University campus; the crowded adobe warren of the Bazaar under the shadows of the mountain already, perhaps the last place in which the “old” Shady Sands could be experienced – probably by being mugged

I see some type of superiority mentality.

The city had few true skyscrapers however, a consequence of the lakebed aquifer. The Boneyard houses the NCR's real concrete jungle, Irving thought distastefully. The obsession with those monumental follies reeked of Old World nostalgia gone wild

Uhhh the Doc Irving showing his disgust for the old world... But you technology from where come then?

looked gloomily at Council Hill again and curled his lip in distaste. He had not gone to many Cabinet sessions since the decision had been made to order General Robertson to withdraw from the liberation of the Midwest – a mistake, he had heartily insisted. In the meetings he had been invited to, he had not been asked many questions or to give his opinion on many subjects. He could instinctively recognise the whole situation as exactly the snub it clearly was. So many times since then I’ve thought about threatening to resign from my position, he mused. Or maybe outright doing it. But no matter whatever Kimball’s grudge against me is, I’ve got a duty to see my position through

Ahhh but Doc... You are a civilian. Not a government officer or military. In war times the soldiers have more importance even some foreigner history researchers

 

[The Whispering Monk]

You are a civilian. Not a government officer or military. In war times the soldiers have more importance even some foreigner history researchers

But he's the GENIUS IN THE ROOM! There's no one smarter or better equipped to lead these animals to a better future! (Standard elite mentality bullcrap.)

 

[Paladin Wulfen]

I have a question Navarro. What is the relation and interactions between Big Mt and the NCR?

 

[Crow gotta eat]

I have a question Navarro. What is the relation and interactions between Big Mt and the NCR?

They are working together making weapons, though the Think Tank is probably not aware they are helping fight the US government.

“Crimson Rain?”

“We’ve completed the facilities to produce the … munitions and we’ll have a large enough stockpile by mid-2333. We’ve also confirmed that they’ll work as Big Mountain said they would.

Heh. There's other information the E-USA has access to that could break the mind-whammy permanently. Not gonna tell, though.

Yeah. If they find out they've been lied to, that they're actually supporting rebels against the legitimate government - rebels who've allied themselves with Chinese communists, no less ... hehehehe.

 

[SuperHeavy]

They are working together making weapons, though the Think Tank is probably not aware they are helping fight the US government.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised at all if they knew the people getting the weapons and giving the funding were different, they just don't care. Every single one of those brains is completely self absorbed and completely without morals even without the continuing mental degradation. As long data keeps coming in with the materiel to continue their brand of science, they will sell to anyone. It would be pretty tragic situation about of the loss of self to inhumane intellect if they were not all completely irredeemable monsters.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised at all if they knew the people getting the weapons and giving the funding were different, they just don't care. Every single one of those brains is completely self absorbed and completely without morals even without the continuing mental degradation. As long data keeps coming in with the materiel to continue their brand of science, they will sell to anyone. It would be pretty tragic situation about of the loss of self to inhumane intellect if they were not all completely irredeemable monsters.

The one thing that was able to make the Think Tank ever break out of their haze placed on them, was Ulysses reminding them of their history. That America was one thing that they cared for according to Ulysses. The idea that they are essentially helping to destroy it, would not be something they would like if they were fully aware of everything.

 

[SuperHeavy]

I'm just not sure how aware they can be after so many additional decades of degradation accumulating. Their memories about the outside world was already sliding to the point of losing touch with reality. Pulling them from their own little worlds to go against the NCR seems like a Hail Mary. Which is a shame given how cool saturnite coil-gun rounds from a the latest US battleship would be.

 

[ForeverShogo]

They only really seem as unaware as they do because they were put into a feedback loop to keep them ignorant. They can be broken out of it, and in the absence of a resurgent United States to reaffirm their loyalty to they do some pretty fucking nasty things to the wastelands.

 

[Paladin Wulfen]

I have a question... Why the NUSA don't have Air Mechanized Cavalry basically Power Armor units with jetpack.?

 

[f1onagher]

You call them Jetpack soldiers, the NCR calls them skeet.

 

[Paladin Wulfen]

You call them Jetpack soldiers, the NCR calls them skeet.

Maybe but imagine an urban fight where need up some place without ladder. Or the psy effect from see how a platoon start landing in you position while they shoot. Basically like the Power armors of starship trooper where can have MLRS shoulders or sentry guns mounted.

 

[Navarro]

I mean,

You call them Jetpack soldiers, the NCR calls them skeet.

Not to mention that "flying PA soldiers" have been a core feature of NUSA doctrine since Fo3 at least.

 

[Bacle]

Ok, so I haven't seen in this fic what happened to the Great Khan's after NV?

The 'best' ending for them had them carve an 'empire' out of the Wyoming to 'northwest stretch, with the help of the Followers of the Apocolypse.

Did the BoS wipe them out to get their current territory, or were they 'reintergated' under the BoS rule due to the BoS truce with the NCR?

Or were they decimated and broken up by Russell during his work for House/the NCR?

 

[Navarro]

Reservation ending.

 

[Paladin Wulfen]

I mean,

Not to mention that "flying PA soldiers" have been a core feature of NUSA doctrine since Fo3 at least.

¡¡ Death from above !!

And the origin of my idea of Shoulder complement.

Imagine if the rocket launcher pod is a Fatman...

 

[Bassoe]

Wait he’s been in charge since 2025?

Since 1949, officially.

Either he’s like Robert House and decaying VERY slowly or he’s more of just a propaganda figure and the PRC is ruled by a Shadow Cabal of sorts

Probably some sort of Big brother figure that is stated to more powerful than he actually is.

Some kind of AI, which unlike President Eden, isn't sentient and can't move beyond its hardwired programming about what to enforce and everyone with the authority to change the program died in the Great War?

 

[AspblastUSA]

That’d make the PRC a grimdark reflection of the Shi, which I have mixed feelings about.

 

[AspblastUSA]

Hopefully it's been long enough that this doesn't count as double posting.

As thoughts of the immediate future and the reversals in Texas cooled I've been wondering what the aftermath of the war will look like. For my part I don't doubt it will end in an American victory eventually. The NCR has made (and been led to make) this a total war, and they just don't have the resources to carry that out. Technological inferiority (though not nearly so bad as it once was) combined with at best population parity is a bad combination for them.

All that being said, I've been wondering if perhaps the post-war Decaliforniation efforts might not attempt to simultaneously demonize Tandi and lionize Aradesh. Tandi is the obvious choice, if you're going to be building an alternate narrative of history where the events of FO2 did not happen as commonly believed. The Enclave's actions gave her a powerful tool to solidify NCR unity and expand it's control over NorCal; recasting her as a cunning political operator who knew of the Enclave's existence (perhaps by suggesting the then much more cautious government quietly contact her, and she faked reintegration negotiations while simultaneously planning the nuclear terrorism?) and used them as a bogeyman would make for a compelling narrative if the proper proof could be 'found.'

Why then lionize Aradesh? The people of the NCR are proud of what they've accomplished, and by painting the NCR as good at it's founding but tainted later, the lie becomes easier to believe because it offers Californians a lifeline, as it were. They weren't deliberately rebelling against a rightful and democratic government much like their own, they aren't bad people. Depending on how it is spun it could even be said that many in the NCR government up through... the Oliver admin at least, were likewise good people laboring under the lasting effect's of Tandi's lie.


On a completely unrelated note I'll also say that one sad thought occurred to me. While the proposed future stargate cross sequel would, I think, be better than the prior proposition of ME; one thing I will miss not seeing is the fact that of all possible timelines, few could make Urdnot Wrex more disappointed in his species than a crossover with this Fallout timeline.

 

[DarthAwesome]

Hopefully it's been long enough that this doesn't count as double posting.

As thoughts of the immediate future and the reversals in Texas cooled I've been wondering what the aftermath of the war will look like. For my part I don't doubt it will end in an American victory eventually. The NCR has made (and been led to make) this a total war, and they just don't have the resources to carry that out. Technological inferiority (though not nearly so bad as it once was) combined with at best population parity is a bad combination for them.

All that being said, I've been wondering if perhaps the post-war Decaliforniation efforts might not attempt to simultaneously demonize Tandi and lionize Aradesh. Tandi is the obvious choice, if you're going to be building an alternate narrative of history where the events of FO2 did not happen as commonly believed. The Enclave's actions gave her a powerful tool to solidify NCR unity and expand it's control over NorCal; recasting her as a cunning political operator who knew of the Enclave's existence (perhaps by suggesting the then much more cautious government quietly contact her, and she faked reintegration negotiations while simultaneously planning the nuclear terrorism?) and used them as a bogeyman would make for a compelling narrative if the proper proof could be 'found.'

Why then lionize Aradesh? The people of the NCR are proud of what they've accomplished, and by painting the NCR as good at it's founding but tainted later, the lie becomes easier to believe because it offers Californians a lifeline, as it were. They weren't deliberately rebelling against a rightful and democratic government much like their own, they aren't bad people. Depending on how it is spun it could even be said that many in the NCR government up through... the Oliver admin at least, were likewise good people laboring under the lasting effect's of Tandi's lie.


On a completely unrelated note I'll also say that one sad thought occurred to me. While the proposed future stargate cross sequel would, I think, be better than the prior proposition of ME; one thing I will miss not seeing is the fact that of all possible timelines, few could make Urdnot Wrex more disappointed in his species than a crossover with this Fallout timeline.

I think you overestimate how beloved the NCR government is. It is regularly stated that SoCal found the People of NorCal paranoid lunatics, a lot of the population is essentially enslaved by megacorps, then get forcefully drafted as cannon fodder in a war they don't really understand. Their own generals on the front lines, expecting to see a dystopian hell find a place better than their home, and innocent people living normal lives under what is increasingly being revealed as an actually benevolent, caring government, that wishes to lift up humanity, ends genocidal regimes, and aids and rebuilds allied nations in Europe and trades with Brazil. I think it would be a lot easier to assimilate the NCR than some would think.

 

[Navarro]

Heh. You're definitely sugar-coating E-US to a fair extent. These are the kind of people whose intelligence services go "let's have a communist takeover in Mexico so we can have an excuse to conquer it", after all. Not to mention the questionable degree to which the government is *really* representative.