Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[SuperHeavy]

Oh really?

Yes it is very peculiar that the canal would not be under the authority of the US. It is a key piece of infrastructure for a naval campaign for either side, let alone the benifits that come from any kind of transoceanic shipping. The US would know the general strength of the NCR navy and thus know at least blockading the canal would be a must. Apparently the US could not even toss some mines while the NCR navy is at dock.

 

[TheSchwartz]

Three squadrons of submarines-definitely enough to do some damage, but (assuming armament and supply restraints) might not be enough to actually halt shipping. More like annoying pinpricks than anything. In any case, it definitely seems like the naval battle was very 'Jutland esque', like you described. While the US Navy didn't exactly send the the entire NCR fleet to the bottom, it did effectively drive it back into Nicaragua-and so long as the bulk of the NCR naval assets are there, the US Navy still largely has free reign over the Gulf of Mexico-and over any Mexican targets that get remotely close to the sea.

Speaking of the Empire of Mexico-will be interesting to see how that whole situation plays out. On the one hand, the NCR seems to be hoping that it will work to bleed out the US forces in Texas. On the other hand, the Mexican state is very much giving off 'unstable and in danger of multi-state civil war if the leader dies' vibes, and its Emperor did just decide to personally lead his armies against a foe which has special forces fighting in the area he's marching towards.

Also, I think it was strongly indicated in preceding chapters that recruitment stations in the Enclave US have been and are still being flooded with applicants. Have the full effects of the subsequent troop surge been felt, or is the E.U.S.A. still in the process of ramping itself up?

 

[Navarro]

Also, I think it was strongly indicated in preceding chapters that recruitment stations in the Enclave US have been and are still being flooded with applicants. Have the full effects of the subsequent troop surge been felt, or is the E.U.S.A. still in the process of ramping itself up?

The first troops who went into the recruitment stations at the start of that period are just coming out of training . But why else do you think the E-USA would be simultaneously increasing the size of divisions, raising up entirely new corps as it reorganises the US Army, and creating four new divisions of airborne troops?

 

[DarthAwesome]

Yes it is very peculiar that the canal would not be under the authority of the US. It is a key piece of infrastructure for a naval campaign for either side, let alone the benifits that come from any kind of transoceanic shipping. The US would know the general strength of the NCR navy and thus know at least blockading the canal would be a must. Apparently the US could not even toss some mines while the NCR navy is at dock.

I agree, it's weird. That should have been a major objective.

 

[Navarro]

SMALL ARMS OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES

M55 Liberator with attached M1708 "Fireburst" 25mm Grenade Launcher

M72 Peacemaker with attached M1709 "Spatha" Chain Bayonet

The US Armed Forces are armed with the most advanced weapons on the planet, and this most definitely applies to their small arms. The US National Guard is generally equipped solely with laser rifles; the Army favours a mix; and the US Marine Corps and US Secret Service are equipped almost completely with plasma weapons.

Laser Weapons

Made by Nemean Industries, the M55 Liberator is the most common energy weapon used in the United States today. Its fire selector, located above the MFC insertion port, can switch between semi-, burst and full-auto firing modes and the gun fires in the cyan spectrum of the visual wavelength, thus having 200% of the firepower of the pre-War AER9. The gun is also sold (without the fire selector) to civilians as the AER21. About 60% of the US Army's combat units use the M55 as their primary small-arm - the gun uses the same ammunition (microfusion cells) as the M72 Peacemaker so this is not as great a logistical hassle as it might seem, and the M55 has benefits (longer range, no recoil) over the M72 in various circumstances.

The M56 Minuteman is a shortened version of the M55 typically assigned to artillerymen, tankers and rear-line troops as a holdout weapon.

Finally the M58 Lightbeam is a common sidearm for squad and platoon leaders in the US Army and US National Guard, and is very common in civilian hands under the brand name of the AEP16.

Plasma Weapons

The M72 Peacemaker, made by General Atomics, is the standard-issue rifle of the United States Marine Corps and is also commonly issued to US Army units. It fires hydrogen-plasma bolts at 5430 degrees Fahrenheit, causing severe third-degree burns with even a grazing hit and nigh-certain death or destruction of a limb on a direct hit, and uses the same fire-selection model as the M55 with semi-, burst and full-auto firing modes available. The US military considers it a weapon primarily to be employed against enemy power armour and light vehicles. The M72 lacks the "molecular destabilisation" effect of earlier plasma weapons, but the greater heat of its shots makes up for this.

The M74 Vindicator is a shortened version of the M72 used by US Army, USAF and USMC pilots as a personal defence weapon; and by Marine tankers and artillerymen for holdout purposes.

The M71 Gunslinger plasma pistol is used commonly by US Army commissioned officers as a sidearm, and by Marine squad and platoon leaders as well as officers.

Plasma weapons are far more heavily restricted than laser weapons on the market; the number of civilians willing to go through the BADTFL paperwork and general hassle to own one is rather small.

 

[Navarro]

Should I put the art stuff in its own thread? It is kinda cluttering this one.

 

[Shadow Knight]

No, adds to the thread.

 

[AspblastUSA]

I don't think it is. If it was in the main threadmarks it would be, but in the Extras? I don't consider it cluttering.

 

[Navarro]

Okay, cool. Gonna post a buncha NCR garrison and officer field uniforms shortly.

 

[Navarro]

Field uniforms of an American Colonel (commanding an infantry regiment) and Californian Four-Star General. Typically worn within a forward command post or command vehicle; garrison uniforms are worn at base. The undercoat can be used as a bodysuit for use with power armour.

Service uniform of an American Admiral; worn at sea and on battle stations.

NCR fatigues worn by enlisted ranks at base:

 

[Navarro]

Hmm. Looks less like power armor and more like someone decided to make regular armor in the style of power armor.

But if they've managed to make it just as effective without the bulk, they've certainly come a long way in improving it.

I mean, in FO4 PA makes you pretty much eye-to-eye with a super mutant. Seeing as the depiction in that game seems to be more true to "life" than in the previous titles ...

EDIT:

I mean, if you look at FO4's interpretation of the FO3 armour:

X-02 power armor (Creation Club)

X-02 power armor is a set of power armor in the Fallout 4 Creation Club content "X-02 Power Armor." Specially developed for the Enclave Department of the Army by the Enclave, the suit includes lightweight composites to give it additional speed and agility compared to other advanced power armor...

fallout.fandom.com

 

[The Real Lee]

Plasma weapons are far more heavily restricted than laser weapons on the market; the number of civilians willing to go through the BADTFL paperwork and general hassle to own one is rather small.

BADTFL restricting my plasma rights, that's unamerican. Worse, it's downright CALIFORNIAN.

 

[Navarro]

BADTFL restricting my plasma rights, that's unamerican. Worse, it's downright CALIFORNIAN.

Only on the coast, man. Over here in the Great Lakes Commonwealth they hand the licences out like candy!

 

[ForeverShogo]

Probably just because it's a lot easier for someone to fuck up really badly with plasma than with a laser. I wonder how many times some random shlub who actually did go through the hoops accidentally started an out of control fire.

At least energy weapons make it a lot safer if you want to celebrate something by shooting your gun into the air. Lasers and plasma bolts will just diffuse into nothing. You don't have to worry about the shots coming back down and ruining some poor bastard's day like you would with bullets.

 

[SuperHeavy]

Probably just because it's a lot easier for someone to fuck up really badly with plasma than with a laser. I wonder how many times some random shlub who actually did go through the hoops accidentally started an out of control fire.

That and if a laser is damaged or modded it will probably at worst not function, a plasma rifle could do anything from vent to turn into a makeshift grenade.

 

[Kioras]

The whole idea that the Empire of Mexico could annoy the EUSA is laughable.

The troops descriptor with equipment meant that air power alone could shatter large formations quickly and you only need small numbers to slow them down.

Better to have them open for trade and military immigrants more than anything else. This just opens up either another ally you need to protect or a way to bypass a lot of the rockies and get onto the West Coast.

It will also potentially allow EUSA to build several large ports and Air fields on the Mexican coast to support a navy eventually. Or even resupply raiders.

 

[DarthAwesome]

The whole idea that the Empire of Mexico could annoy the EUSA is laughable.

The troops descriptor with equipment meant that air power alone could shatter large formations quickly and you only need small numbers to slow them down.

Better to have them open for trade and military immigrants more than anything else. This just opens up either another ally you need to protect or a way to bypass a lot of the rockies and get onto the West Coast.

It will also potentially allow EUSA to build several large ports and Air fields on the Mexican coast to support a navy eventually. Or even resupply raiders.

When you put it like that, yes, they are WOEFULLY incompetent.

 

[Navarro]

When you put it like that, yes, they are WOEFULLY incompetent.

You forget that "mostly interbellum w/ scatterings of preserved pre-War materiel" (i.e. the NCR Army in FNV) is the post-nuclear norm for most militaries.

 

[Navarro]

Ch. 25 preview:

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14:30 EST, February 8 2332

Montgomery, Alabama

Charles Bradshaw swore under his breath as he looked at the message. The US Aviation aircraft factory he managed (of three; located at Halifax, NVS; Stamford, CT; and Montgomery, AL) was now under instruction from company HQ to begin making A-76 Corsair II attack planes for the USN and USMC, instead of its previous intention of Dragon II stealth bombers. This would take weeks of reorganising the logistics, making alterations to the assembly lines … but still, it was possible. Montgomery was a short distance from Birmingham, the self-anointed “Pittsburgh of the South”, and the planes dropping in rare earths straight from Greenland (courtesy of Walker Mining Inc., which was pioneering a new means of mining through the glaciers to get at the vast mineral wealth concealed under the ice) couldn’t hurt. But still

He remembered the A-76 situation. Nine years ago, the company had received a contract from the USAF for a new designated naval attack craft. Being experts at flying-wing design, they’d rapidly created a design shaped like an equilateral triangle (cockpit near the top), capable of radar stealth and carrying various precision-guided missiles and bombs on its hardpoints and in its internal weapon bays. A prototype had even been made in early 2324 – onlookers had nicknamed it the “Flying Pizza Slice”. Everything had been going up in the world for this. And then in mid-2324 the Air Force had abruptly handed US Aviation a new contract for what would turn out to be the B-120 and in September cancelled its contract for the A-76, too focussed on the shiny new toy they were having their supplier make for them and seeing new strategic bombers to replace the ageing and flawed Dragon as a more urgent necessity. The Air Force also didn’t want to focus overmuch on one supplier for its planes; and having Daedalus make new vertibirds would be sufficient – US Aviation also produced cargo planes for the USAF and Army after all.

The company had weathered the loss, but the A-76 had remained a might-have-been for seven years. Until now, with control over naval aviation assets (and the units that made up those assets) now transferred to the Navy and USMC, who were both eager to find new specialised naval attack craft after the loss of so many pilots at the Cuban strait and, not willing to go through the whole development process again, had ordered hundreds of A-76 planes. Bradshaw felt, in an odd kind of way, that it represented a form of justice. The company was reaping the rewards of both projects - the order for Dragon IIs had just been increased to 180 - and the USAF's loss now represented their gain.

 

[Kioras]

You forget that "mostly interbellum w/ scatterings of preserved pre-War materiel" (i.e. the NCR Army in FNV) is the post-nuclear norm for most militaries.

The problem is for any of those militaries is they need a serious equipment infusion to pose a serious threat to EUSA or the NCR.

You want at least Combat Armor and laser rifles as the basic combat kit. You then need to feed them supplies to maintain the equipment and at least man portable AA missiles or larger pieces.

You would also need man or horse drawn support weapons that could either pierce or slow down larger vehicles also. Not what was WW1 era tanks.

If the NCR wanted to build up allies they should have at least spread industry out a little bit in North and South America.

So either they get the NCR units to prop them up or it just opens a second front that the NCR will have to defend against.