Culture The Decline in Divorce

ShadowArxxy

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Ehh... long term studies have shown that being married is one of the biggest impacts on long term happiness and contentment for people. It leads to much greater economic success, social success, and just about everything else, even ignoring children. That said, IIRC there's also evidence that EARLY marriage (IE while still teens) as was often practiced in the 19th century and earlier isn't as good for long term marriage prospects, with something like mid 20s being the optimal time to marry for long term success.

Historically, the minimum age of marriage was pretty consistently set by most Western nations as twelve for girls and fourteen for boys -- a custom dating all the way back to ancient Rome.

Although Western European culture shifted towards the majority of marriages occurring substantially later in life than this, the legal minimums remained in place for centuries. France was one of the first major Western cultures to increase the ages of marriage away from the 12/14 tradition, with the government of the Revolution increasing it to 13/15 and Napoleon further increasing it to 15/18. While this was relatively consistent with *actual marriage* norms in Europe by that time, few other countries updated their laws similarly until actually quite recently -- typically within the last few decades.

For the United States, California was the first state to push reforms in age of marriage, increasing it first to 14 regardless of sex in 1889 and then further to 16 in 1897. The turn-of-the century "social purity" Christian feminist movement made pushing age of consent to 16 and then 18 a major focus of advocacy; by 1920, twenty-six states had increased to 16 and twenty-one to 18, although many states still allowed marriage at below these ages with parental and/or judicial consent.

For that matter, it's well out of social norms these days, but the vast majority of U.S. states *still do* have marriage exceptions to the age of consent, with the most extreme case being Massachusetts which still adheres to the classical 12/14 standard.
 

ParadiseLost

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As Kanye West said:

Eighteen years, eighteen years
She got one of your kids, got you for eighteen years

I know somebody payin' child support for one of his kids

His baby mama car and crib is bigger than his

You will see him on TV any given Sunday

Win the Super Bowl and drive off in a Hyundai

She was supposed to buy your shorty Tyco with your money

She went to the doctor, got lipo with your money

She walkin' around lookin' like Michael with your money

Shoulda got that insured, Geico for your money

If you ain't no punk

Holla, "We want prenup! We want prenup!" (Yeah!)

It's somethin' that you need to have

'Cause when she leave yo' ass, she gon' leave with half

Eighteen years, eighteen years

And on the 18th birthday he found out it wasn't his?
 

Marduk

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Feminism isn't the problem -- feminism is wanting equal pay for the job done if they can do it, regardless of gender.
No, that's basic capitalism. The most classic right wing reply to feminist complaints about "wage equality" is "if i could just pay women less for doing the same job just as well, as a greedy capitalist i'd hire only women, i would outcompete everyone on employee salary costs, and i would make heaps of money ; and then the other greedy capitalist next door would come to my cheap all female workforce and tell them he will pay them a bit more, because that would still be a good deal, and then the same would happen to him, until they got paid what they are worth according to the market". Beyond that its feminism, which it does plenty of, usually involving complaints about statistical inequalities, or inequalities stemming from not exactly the same characteristics of doing the job.

Feminism is not forcing an uncomfortable dress code on people if they don't want to wear it e.g. heels for women, skirts.
So basically outsourced union activity, except with bonus discrimination against men. After all, men's office dress codes don't lack comfort issues either, but who gives a fuck about men.

Feminism is where women have the choice to do what they want, be it going into the workforce, going for further education, having education, and not being seen as just baby factories.
That's general culture, and in hindsight we know there are issues that no one of the feminist side, even the earlier, more moderate waves, wants to address. Like half the education glorified there being useless degrees or downright negative value, at worst being poorly camouflaged marxist indoctrination, or the fact that as the whole west's demographics show, *someone* has to have the babies, not necessarily the red herring of 8 per women, but how about at least moderate 2.5, because for obvious biological reasons that are controversial to the T lobby, it can't be the men.

Those goals, barring outliers like religious nutjobs, have been achieved. Women can do all those things! Hell, it's normal culture now.

"Feminism", however, is what people equate to feminism these days. And it's what the movement has evolved into.
As i mentioned, they still think of those issues, and want plenty more in all the aforementioned areas too.

It's as toxic as fuck, misandrist to the extreme, and deludes women into thinking that, yes, sleeping around like a common whore won't attach a stigma to you socially, when in reality it does.

Oh, they're not the problem, they're not allowed to slut-shame, after all! /s

Job standards should not be lowered so women can gain entry to them e.g. police, fire fighters, military. Hiring someone just because they're a woman should not be allowed.

But, yeah. "Feminism", not feminism, needs to be eradicated.

Bias in the courts towards mothers, even if they're junkies selling their cooches to dealers for their next fix in comparison to the ex-husband who is, well, a normal person? Needs to stop.

Divorce-rape needs to stop. Prenups aren't a surefire safeguard, as they've been overturned in courts before. Asking for one will just cause problems in the relationship (which is understandable, even if it's a good precaution).

Paternity fraud needs to be stamped out: Mandatory tests on birth should be conducted, and since it'd not be the boyfriend/husband asking for one, the woman-in-question can't use the "you don't trust me/do you really think I'd cheat on you!" cards. Consequences should be harsh on the mother. If the boyfriend/husband knows the kid isn't his beforehand, then there shouldn't be any consequences as he knows what he's signing up for by agreeing to raise another man's kid.

As it stands, there's little for men in marriage: Women hold all the cards and can pull the trigger at any time. Hell, even long-term relationships aren't worth it anymore.

There's a reason why MGTOW has gone mainstream.
That stuff is the more recent and extreme "tip of the iceberg". But the current day feminism still puts a lot of attention to, for example, the "wage equality" cause, you can hear of it all the time (like the recent hooplas about it in BBC, or in women's sports in USA), of course with plenty of ignorant or malicious omission of relevant facts. The very presence of this stuff in legal system is a consequence of earlier feminism installing itself too well in the mainstream culture and academic circles used to advise legislators.
 

Jormungandr

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No, that's basic capitalism. The most classic right wing reply to feminist complaints about "wage equality" is "if i could just pay women less for doing the same job just as well, as a greedy capitalist i'd hire only women, i would outcompete everyone on employee salary costs, and i would make heaps of money ; and then the other greedy capitalist next door would come to my cheap all female workforce and tell them he will pay them a bit more, because that would still be a good deal, and then the same would happen to him, until they got paid what they are worth according to the market". Beyond that its feminism, which it does plenty of, usually involving complaints about statistical inequalities, or inequalities stemming from not exactly the same characteristics of doing the job.
Until recently (roughly four/five decades), there was a massive wage-gap in the West for women doing the same jobs as men -- when they could get such jobs. Activism and campaigning from feminists actually helped remove that gap so that it became part of normal culture, and by extension the capitalism that helps run Western society. It became the norm.
So basically outsourced union activity, except with bonus discrimination against men. After all, men's office dress codes don't lack comfort issues either, but who gives a fuck about men.
No -- there are dress codes in offices that should be enforced, such as a work-shirt, trousers instead of jeans and tracksuits, non-esoteric hair colours, et cetera, so long as it looks smart and professional. A dress code for a woman that they feel uncomfortable with, such as it being mandatory to wear skirts and heels instead of it being their choice to instead of trousers and ordinary work shoes? Yeah, that should be destroyed.

I would say the same thing about a man's dress code if men were forced to wear cuff-links or clown shoes.

That's general culture, and in hindsight we know there are issues that no one of the feminist side, even the earlier, more moderate waves, wants to address. Like half the education glorified there being useless degrees or downright negative value, at worst being poorly camouflaged marxist indoctrination, or the fact that as the whole west's demographics show, *someone* has to have the babies, not necessarily the red herring of 8 per women, but how about at least moderate 2.5, because for obvious biological reasons that are controversial to the T lobby, it can't be the men.
It became general culture because it was made into general culture, and rightfully so. Being educated regardless of gender is not the cause of societal rot -- what is done with that education is, such as society demanding that McDonald's managers have a degree (yes, that's a thing, sadly enough).

Frankly put, society and the legal system didn't adapt and screwed the pooch.

There's also a debate going on from various parties that while equality is a good goal/thing, there may be a grain of truth in that a lot of women, by nature, are like goddamn children and think only of the moment, not the long-term/consequences of their actions, like having an affair because their lady parts tingle around someone despite having a husband and family. Despite how oppressed women were in the past in society and cultural norms compared to modern Western civilization, they worked inside of the system set up by patriarchal societies (such as the Romans, the Greeks) and basically held a lot of power... and society worked.

As a long-term consequence of feminism and the more recent, toxic "feminism" that has become dominant, it's eroded society and culture like an acid that eats away at the container meant to keep it all together. While common-sense and sanity kept this shit in check for decades and kept a status quo that benefited everyone (women could be feminine yet have all the rights and opportunities men have, as is the norm in society until recently/as a current baseline), it's recently broken out and began melting everything from the inside out.

People with sanity, like us, run off that baseline, as that is what society is. "Feminism" wants to change that baseline into the perversions they frequently shriek.

I can say I'm a feminist, within reason. I think a lot of us here are.

I do think there are jobs women shouldn't do on practical grounds, like being front-line soldiers, certain positions in the military, fire-fighters, due to physical strength issues (men will always be stronger than women. It's just our biology) and common-sense logic, like men not being raped half-to-death if they're captured as a prisoner of war by insurgents or guerrillas.

I believe women should have the same educational opportunities as men: grade school/preschool, elementary schools/primary schools, middle-schools and high-schools, college and universities, et cetera.

I believe women should be able to own property the same as men -- if they buy a house, they own that house.

See? The above is normal in society now. Thinking otherwise makes you a kooky outlier.

...Actually, it could be argued that the above in no-longer feminism because it's now normal, but I digress.

The shit "feminism" spouts off? Yeah, that's toxic insanity. To people decades or even centuries back, the above values must have been insanity to them as "feminism" is to us. But, unlike the above, "feminism" has gone a full three-sixty to the opposite side, basically saying the same sort of shit that oppressed women as the norm back then but now for men. :ROFLMAO: Misandry replaced misogyny.
As i mentioned, they still think of those issues, and want plenty more in all the aforementioned areas too.
Feminism has always been fairly toxic (see the original Suffragettes), even if the older generations' goals were somewhat noble -- not treating women like property, allowing them to vote, et cetera -- but modern day "feminism" is about superiority, not equality. "Feminism" has become what people think of feminism as it's an evolution of it, even if feminist (not "feminist") goals, at their core, are part of normal society now.
That stuff is the more recent and extreme "tip of the iceberg". But the current day feminism still puts a lot of attention to, for example, the "wage equality" cause, you can hear of it all the time (like the recent hooplas about it in BBC, or in women's sports in USA), of course with plenty of ignorant or malicious omission of relevant facts. The very presence of this stuff in legal system is a consequence of earlier feminism installing itself too well in the mainstream culture and academic circles used to advise legislators.
It's recent as in it's been slowly building up to what we're seeing in the last decade, decade-and-a-half, but it was either kept in check by common-sense and sanity or it was a boil that had yet to come to a head as it has now. Feminism and equality are not bad things: "Feminism" and superiority are.

Feminism has become "feminism", even if the former's goals/thinking have become the norm in Western society. The former is fine: The latter is toxic and needs to be stamped out and eradicated.

I am a heterosexual, white man: According to a "feminism", I am the Devil incarnate, a rapist waiting to happen because I have a penis, and I oppress anyone with a natural vagina by my mere existence. They're misandrists. Feminists be like "oh, you're not a dick towards someone because they're a woman? Cool, cool".

There are feminists and there are "feminists": Despite the latter forming out of and evolving from the former, never confuse the two, even if the former always had toxicity that the latter has now at critical mass.
 

bintananth

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Feminism isn't the problem -- feminism is wanting equal pay for the job done if they can do it, regardless of gender.
There's a difference between feminism and "Feminism".

The former is saying "I can do practically everything you can do and deserve to be treated as your equal"

The latter is saying "I can do practically everything you can do, plus some other things too, and deserve to be treated as your better."

The former is not toxic because on an everyday basis when out and about the only thing a man can do that a woman can't do is use a urinal without making a mess and even that's not guaranteed because some women can and some men can't.

The latter is extremely toxic.
 

Marduk

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Until recently (roughly four/five decades), there was a massive wage-gap in the West for women doing the same jobs as men -- when they could get such jobs. Activism and campaigning from feminists actually helped remove that gap so that it became part of normal culture, and by extension the capitalism that helps run Western society. It became the norm.
And that's when the problem started, with that thinking, at that very time. Very quickly they have found out that they can go somewhere on arguing merit, but not very far quantity wise, if they stuck with that you'd be stuck with a mere handful of rather exceptional women who can truly stand on their own merit in these high profile jobs, so the argumentation quickly switched to silly statistical tabula rasa argumentation inherently expecting all the societal scale result to be equal, or else inequity being self-evident proof of sexism that needs to be eliminated.
No -- there are dress codes in offices that should be enforced, such as a work-shirt, trousers instead of jeans and tracksuits, non-esoteric hair colours, et cetera, so long as it looks smart and professional. A dress code for a woman that they feel uncomfortable with, such as it being mandatory to wear skirts and heels instead of it being their choice to instead of trousers and ordinary work shoes? Yeah, that should be destroyed.
I don't think the kind of places that would allow even men to wear random casual trousers and work shoes would care to demand women wear skirts and heels. I'm pretty sure we're talking about places that demand men wear suits or some other variation of more upscale wear.

It became general culture because it was made into general culture, and rightfully so. Being educated regardless of gender is not the cause of societal rot -- what is done with that education is, such as society demanding that McDonald's managers have a degree (yes, that's a thing, sadly enough).
What is done in that education, what is the education in to begin with, and a balance of societal weighting of formal education vs de facto knowledge are other issues here that aren't working out too well.

Frankly put, society and the legal system didn't adapt and screwed the pooch.
Legal system could do little about it on its own. It is downstream of culture (especially acedemic culture in the institutions that train legal scholars) and politics after all, and when both culture and politics embraced feminism, how was the legal system supposed to resist?

There's also a debate going on from various parties that while equality is a good goal/thing, there may be a grain of truth in that a lot of women, by nature, are like goddamn children and think only of the moment, not the long-term/consequences of their actions, like having an affair because their lady parts tingle around someone despite having a husband and family. Despite how oppressed women were in the past in society and cultural norms compared to modern Western civilization, they worked inside of the system set up by patriarchal societies (such as the Romans, the Greeks) and basically held a lot of power... and society worked.
Equality of results is a marxist goal, in the end it conflicts with meritocracy, liberty and equality before the law. Yet lack of equality of results is at the core of many feminist, and also other intersectionally leftist initiatives that demand it be rectified.

What should be the basis of this debate is that both biological sciences and traditions of most functional societies agree that men and women are different in many ways, which doesn't mean one is "better" in some grand moral or philosophical meaning of the word, and as such, on the scale of society, its completely reasonable that it would lead to unequal results in all parts of life, and there's nothing wrong with that.

As a long-term consequence of feminism and the more recent, toxic "feminism" that has become dominant, it's eroded society and culture like an acid that eats away at the container meant to keep it all together. While common-sense and sanity kept this shit in check for decades and kept a status quo that benefited everyone (women could be feminine yet have all the rights and opportunities men have, as is the norm in society until recently/as a current baseline), it's recently broken out and began melting everything from the inside out.
The "toxic" feminism didn't come out of nowhere, if the earlier, more moderate and reasonable forms of it were treated with more skepticism and dialogue about what implications it may or should have, it probably wouldn't go so far. But as it is, it ended up being a movement of less negotiation and more making demands and whining until the other side relinquishes, only to pause for however long deciding on new demands takes.

People with sanity, like us, run off that baseline, as that is what society is. "Feminism" wants to change that baseline into the perversions they frequently shriek.

I can say I'm a feminist, within reason. I think a lot of us here are.

I do think there are jobs women shouldn't do on practical grounds, like being front-line soldiers, certain positions in the military, fire-fighters, due to physical strength issues (men will always be stronger than women. It's just our biology) and common-sense logic, like men not being raped half-to-death if they're captured as a prisoner of war by insurgents or guerrillas.
That just comes with not being ideologically blind to facts.

I believe women should have the same educational opportunities as men: grade school/preschool, elementary schools/primary schools, middle-schools and high-schools, college and universities, et cetera.
The public debate has moved way past the question of opportunities. The discussion is now about equality of results (on demographic, statistical level) and how far to go to achieve it.

I believe women should be able to own property the same as men -- if they buy a house, they own that house.

See? The above is normal in society now. Thinking otherwise makes you a kooky outlier.
Depends on which society we talk about, when was it not normal? Women could own property even in bloody Ancient Rome, Ancient Sumeria, and even among the Vikings, for just few examples. Overall, its a lot of more or less interesting cultural factors varying with time and place, for better or worse reasons.

Seems like a lot of these more defensible points feminism can muster are just counterpoints to extreme opposite situations cherrypicked from specific regions and time periods of western or not so western world.

The shit "feminism" spouts off? Yeah, that's toxic insanity. To people decades or even centuries back, the above values must have been insanity to them as "feminism" is to us. But, unlike the above, "feminism" has gone a full three-sixty to the opposite side, basically saying the same sort of shit that oppressed women as the norm back then but now for men. :ROFLMAO: Misandry replaced misogyny.

Feminism has always been fairly toxic (see the original Suffragettes), even if the older generations' goals were somewhat noble -- not treating women like property, allowing them to vote, et cetera -- but modern day "feminism" is about superiority, not equality. "Feminism" has become what people think of feminism as it's an evolution of it, even if feminist (not "feminist") goals, at their core, are part of normal society now.

It's recent as in it's been slowly building up to what we're seeing in the last decade, decade-and-a-half, but it was either kept in check by common-sense and sanity or it was a boil that had yet to come to a head as it has now. Feminism and equality are not bad things: "Feminism" and superiority are.

Feminism has become "feminism", even if the former's goals/thinking have become the norm in Western society. The former is fine: The latter is toxic and needs to be stamped out and eradicated.

I am a heterosexual, white man: According to a "feminism", I am the Devil incarnate, a rapist waiting to happen because I have a penis, and I oppress anyone with a natural vagina by my mere existence. They're misandrists. Feminists be like "oh, you're not a dick towards someone because they're a woman? Cool, cool".

There are feminists and there are "feminists": Despite the latter forming out of and evolving from the former, never confuse the two, even if the former always had toxicity that the latter has now at critical mass.
All just natural conclusions of a self-interested movement that got used to being granted concessions that it has never earned or negotiated in a fair way. Why settle with what they have, if they can always claim more, and if they don't get it, complain for a while and try again, with no risk in either case? That's why the demands kept moving up after getting equal opportunity, and keep moving up since then.
 

Cherico

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Right now humanity is running a global experiment, well several but the biggest one is feminism.

Patriarchy as a system has a 10 thousand year track record of proven success, the current egalitarian set up we have is maybe a hundred years old tops, and is already showing issues. If things collaspe then we will go back to patriarchy in fact we will go back to a much stricter one then we have had.
 

JagerIV

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Yeah, the core idea og any feminism, no matter how "moderate", is that men are in conspiracy against woman. This is, of course, nonsense.

Woman aways worked. You had a period in the 1900s where woman working weny down, specifically from such policies as pushed by unions to raise male wages so their wives would not have to work.

Trying to make it so woman dont have to work is not anti woman policy by any reasonable measure. Banning woman and children from working in coal mines is not put forward as anti child and anti woman policies.
 

ShadowArxxy

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So basically outsourced union activity, except with bonus discrimination against men. After all, men's office dress codes don't lack comfort issues either, but who gives a fuck about men.

Look at the actual cases instead of vaguebooking from generalities. The position that was argued by feminists was *not* that "Men should have a dress code and women should not" as you imply, but "When employers such as the one we're suing set employee dress codes which are objectively far more onerous and restrictive for women than they are for men, this constitutes illegal discrimination on the basis of sex."

The key SCOTUS ruling on this subject is Carroll v. Talman Federal Savings & Loan Association, where the employer in question dictated a tightly controlled dress code for female employees only, while male employees were only subject to a broad guideline that they wear "appropriate business attire".
 

ParadiseLost

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I think we've gotten too far from the intended topic.


A 2015 study by the American Sociological Association found that women initiate two-thirds of all divorces, a staggering 69% to be exact. College-educated women initiate divorce at an even higher rate: 90%.

That's a very skewed rate of divorce initiation. Anyone want to discuss? I think its at least somewhat more related, and an interesting statistic.
 

Cherico

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I think we've gotten too far from the intended topic.




That's a very skewed rate of divorce initiation. Anyone want to discuss? I think its at least somewhat more related, and an interesting statistic.

All you have to do to change that trend is get rid of child support, get rid of alimony. The parent who has custody gets all of the fincial responsibility that goes along with it. Do that and divorce drops like a rock.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
All you have to do to change that trend is get rid of child support, get rid of alimony. The parent who has custody gets all of the fincial responsibility that goes along with it. Do that and divorce drops like a rock.

Abandonment skyrockets when you set up a legal system where someone can just take off with the mistress.
 

Cherico

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Abandonment skyrockets when you set up a legal system where someone can just take off with the mistress.

Its your body, your choice, your responsibility.

A woman has a choice of a mulitude of birth control options, if these fail there is the morning after pill, if that fails abortion is legal, if she doesn't want to abort then adoption is an option. That's fine, but that makes child birth a unilateral decision. If you want a man help with raising the child and helping with the fincial aspects of it then you need to sit down and make a deal with him.

I'm not going to treat women like perpetual children just because your feelings might get hurt.

Their adults and I will treat them as such.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
I honestly think there ought to be a way for men to financially divorce themselves from an unwanted birth as a kind of quid-pro-quo for abortion. Plus, there have been plenty of cases where women have either sabotaged condoms, lied about raking birth control, harvested sperm from condoms, etc. to get a guy on the hook for child support. I seem to recall a case like that involving a lesbian couple who used a donor somehow getting him on the hook for child support. Not to mention cases where a guy has ended up paying child support and the kid wasn't even his, but was instead the product of an affair. And alimony shouldn't be a thing anymore anyway. This isn't the 1950s anymore, and women are fully able to enter the workforce of their own accord. It's so skewed now that even prenups are not the kind of protection they used to be. So really if we did away with divorce-rape that'd probably help some.
 

Jormungandr

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I think we've gotten too far from the intended topic.




That's a very skewed rate of divorce initiation. Anyone want to discuss? I think its at least somewhat more related, and an interesting statistic.
A lot of the misogynistic people out there pretty much outright say that it's either because:
  • Educated women that go to college/universities develop incredibly high standards for a man they want, which can retroactively apply to even the man they're dating/married to
    • Unfortunately for women, this standard applies to them from the "high value" men they're seeking, too; such men tend to not want "high geared businesswomen/career women" except for using them for "pumps'n'dumps"/affairs
  • If they perceive themselves as superior in their current relationship dynamic, especially if they get a higher paying job or a better career in their eyes than their partner's, they will lose respect for their partner as they become the main "breadwinner"
    • This can, but not always, lead to an affair with someone they perceive as being "superior", though in reality they're likely just being used for an affair/sex. Likely it'll lead to relationship troubles that can lead to divorce as they want to "be with someone better" and to explore their options
      • Which is a trap really because very few men want such ambitious/driven women as partners, so they end up being used as hookups or then trying to crawl back to their Ex in someway, which typically fails unless the Ex is a "simp" (which I actually agree with, to be honest)
      • They divorce their husband, if they're married, and divorce-rape the husband due the bias in the legal system
  • Modern culture promotes women "finding themselves" and "not being tied down" to someone they perceive as being inferior
    • They also seem oblivious of the fucking consequences of shagging someone in an affair, like not realizing that it's going to have issues for their current relationship -- they're like goddamn toddlers!
    • This is backfiring as more and more women wanting only the "top one percent" of men are going into their thirties and forties now lonely, single, and complaining on social-media that the men they want are going after women in their twenties/more traditional women
    • Especially be wary if your girlfriend or wife makes friends with fellow women in the office: I've seen it time and time again that they whisper poisoned honey into their ears about how great being single is, about affairs, how "liberating" being divorced is, et cetera. And, when the relationship/marriage falls apart, they get indignant when part of the blame is placed on them. Miserable women love making other women miserable, especially if they're in a happy relationship before they came along
  • Let's not even go into paternity fraud and having your husband/boyfriend unknowingly raise the affair baby as his own
To be honest, seeing the sort-of shit going down at the moment in modern society... I'm wondering if these people have a point.

There's a reason why MGTOW is going mainstream and sexism is on the rise again, and I think the latter is a direct pendulum swing towards how women on the whole are going in society. It's gotten to the point when where you hear of a divorce or a break-up, like a quarter of the time it's the man's fault (he couldn't keep it in his pants) and the rest is because it follows the above recipe to a T.

If you want to be rich in ten, twenty years, invest in cat-food factories and vineyards.
 

ParadiseLost

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Educated women that go to college/universities develop incredibly high standards for a man they want, which can retroactively apply to even the man they're dating/married to
  • Unfortunately for women, this standard applies to them from the "high value" men they're seeking, too; such men tend to not want "high geared businesswomen/career women" except for using them for "pumps'n'dumps"/affairs

This is true.

If you hold a grad degree as a woman, you have to realize that there are only 3 men with postgrad degrees for every 4 women with grad degrees.

Women tend to have a strong preference for a man with an equal or (preferably) higher education level. In a world in which 57% of Bachelors and Masters degrees go to Women, and 52% of Doctoral degrees go to Women, and those gaps are largely growing.

  • If they perceive themselves as superior in their current relationship dynamic, especially if they get a higher paying job or a better career in their eyes than their partner's, they will lose respect for their partner as they become the main "breadwinner"
    • This can, but not always, lead to an affair with someone they perceive as being "superior",though in reality they're likely just being used for an affair/sex. Likely it'll lead to relationship troubles that can lead to divorce as they want to "be with someone better" and to explore their options
      • Which is a trap really because very few men want such ambitious/driven women as partners, so they end up being used as hookups or then trying to crawl back to their Ex in someway, which typically fails unless the Ex is a "simp" (which I actually agree with, to be honest)

The underlined... Isn't really accurate. Women don't actually become more likely to have an affair if they are the primary breadwinner. A women's income relative to her husband doesn't have a statistical association with her likelihood to cheat.

  • Modern culture promotes women "finding themselves" and "not being tied down" to someone they perceive as being inferior
    • They also seem oblivious of the fucking consequences of shagging someone in an affair, like not realizing that it's going to have issues for their current relationship -- they're like goddamn toddlers!
    • This is backfiring as more and more women wanting only the "top one percent" of men are going into their thirties and forties now lonely, single, and complaining on social-media that the men they want are going after women in their twenties/more traditional women
    • Especially be wary if your girlfriend or wife makes friends with fellow women in the office: I've seen it time and time again that they whisper poisoned honey into their ears about how great being single is, about affairs, how "liberating" being divorced is, et cetera. And, when the relationship/marriage falls apart, they get indignant when part of the blame is placed on them. Miserable women love making other women miserable, especially if they're in a happy relationship before they came along
  • Let's not even go into paternity fraud and having your husband/boyfriend unknowingly raise the affair baby as his own

A lot of this ties into "Know the person you're marrying." You should know their friends and family. None of this behavior your listing is going to come out of the blue; pretty much anything like what you're describing is going to involve big red flags.
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
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This is true.

If you hold a grad degree as a woman, you have to realize that there are only 3 men with postgrad degrees for every 4 women with grad degrees.

Women tend to have a strong preference for a man with an equal or (preferably) higher education level. In a world in which 57% of Bachelors and Masters degrees go to Women, and 52% of Doctoral degrees go to Women, and those gaps are largely growing.



The underlined... Isn't really accurate. Women don't actually become more likely to have an affair if they are the primary breadwinner. A women's income relative to her husband doesn't have a statistical association with her likelihood to cheat.



A lot of this ties into "Know the person you're marrying." You should know their friends and family. None of this behavior your listing is going to come out of the blue; pretty much anything like what you're describing is going to involve big red flags.
It's becoming more and more common to the point of normalcy, though. What were red flags to look out for before now aren't, as they're becoming sadly... expected? Some blame the long-term affects of feminism in society, with these consequences finally coming to a head like a boil finally manifesting, but I dunno. I can see their points in some areas.
 

ParadiseLost

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It's becoming more and more common to the point of normalcy, though. What were red flags to look out for before now aren't, as they're becoming sadly... expected? Some blame the long-term affects of feminism in society, with these consequences finally coming to a head like a boil finally manifesting, but I dunno. I can see their points in some areas.

Like what, exactly?
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
Founder
Like what, exactly?
Frankly put, promiscuity (not ordinary dating/relationships or even a few hookups) and monkey-branching have been championed as being "liberating" and "empowering" for a woman to the point where they've permeated culture and society on a fundamental level, and that has roots from feminism's influence on Western society.

There's a reason why other cultures now look on Western women with disdain for perceived "loose morals" and the like.

Anyway, let's just say that the sane choice when getting into a relationship these days is to always keep both eyes open, and leave it at that.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
I think we've gotten too far from the intended topic.


That's a very skewed rate of divorce initiation. Anyone want to discuss? I think its at least somewhat more related, and an interesting statistic.
A guy isn't all that inclined to leave a gal who a) wants to have sex with him, b) wants him to stick around despite all of his flaws, c) doesn't treat him like shit, and d) doesn't cheat on him. He probably won't want to divorce his wife unless she does something truly outrageous.

If you're the mistress of a married man who says he wants to divorce his wife so he can marry you, you are a deluded fool if you think he's being honest. He's never going to leave his wife and you already gave him "the prize".
 

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