The Abortion Thread (Political)

[Husky_Khan]

Five Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers will be closing due to shortfalls in budgetary and staffing issues.

Planned Parenthood Will Close Five Abortion Centers in Indiana, Idaho and Alaska - LifeNews.com

The Planned Parenthood abortion business has announced it will close five abortion centers in Indiana, Idaho and Alaska. The news follows a new report the other day indicating the billion-dollar abortion chain plans to close five facilities in Vermont and New Hampshire on June 12, citing...

www.lifenews.com

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Five Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers will be closing due to shortfalls in budgetary and staffing issues.

Planned Parenthood Will Close Five Abortion Centers in Indiana, Idaho and Alaska - LifeNews.com

The Planned Parenthood abortion business has announced it will close five abortion centers in Indiana, Idaho and Alaska. The news follows a new report the other day indicating the billion-dollar abortion chain plans to close five facilities in Vermont and New Hampshire on June 12, citing...

www.lifenews.com

Awww shucks. Couldn't have happened to people more deserving.

 

[ProfessorCurio]

I have posted this elsewhere before:

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I'd say abortions should only be allowed either to save the mother or before the unborn is viable without the need for life support upon birth as in the ability to undergo and survive premature birth without the use of life support.

And yes sadly a lot of women do get abortions past this point for convenience (Look around and you'll find it happening.) and yes the unborn child once they have reached the point of being able to survive outside the womb without life support is indeed conscious and has a working brain (Do babies not cry and move around upon birth?).

And for those who think that such things do not matter and do not figure into morality I ask you this; if after you were born your mother learned that it had not been her husbands seed but instead that of some stranger who had at some point knocked her out would that give her the right to kill you?

Whether right before (Including post viability in the absence of life support.)birth or after birth it's still the same baby and has reached the level of independence such that if removed still alive then and there it would likely be healthy and only need what any newborn less than a day old would need. And even if the babies initial health wasn't perfect or it had some deformity that would reduce quality of life like a missing nose think on this; would you kill someone if they had just been born but had not arms, or would you try to help them live a better life and overcome the obstacles the best they can?

And you may say this infringes on a women's right to control her own body to which I say yes but every right has a limit from freedom of religion terrorism is barred and for our right to live murderers get an exception and as such as with all such cases I say this right of women's also must have a limit which like all other is justified and is presented with its points and reasons."

Next:

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"Y'all so pro-life but don't think about the lives of the mothers. Or orphans.
Or foster children. Or the poor. Or the abused kids whose parents didn't want them. Y'all just care about the fetuses you didn't help make, won't raise, and won't think about once they're born. Save it"

Now I was confronted with this which I found most disturbing so this was my response:

Easy because it's stupid to say that because a child may or will have a hard time growing up they shouldn't live. If you were born missing an arm or unable to walk does that mean you should die? If a new single middle class mother becomes poor should she kill the new born or give it up for adoption? If the foster system is so much worse than why don't we try fixing it? Isn't it better to have a small chance and suffer some hardships when young in order to be able to have a chance than to have none at all? This is only my response to this particular argument on abortion as is made clear by my argument on how abortion should be handled.

(Now I really don't really believe this applies to all cases as there will be cases where the disabilities do indeed bar one from really doing anything and enjoying life, in which case if it can't be treated I may say that a mercy killing is justified. But clearly that is far from all cases and to generalize and use a one size fits all approach as all too many seem to suggest especially taking into account what I have stated and put forth would be well and truly cruel.)

After I posted my comment I received a reply that I feel truly brought forth into the light a missing peice of the issue. And you may be wondering what that piece is and as suggested by the title of this post it's Nihilism.

This was the reply:

"I remember watching a documentary regarding a guy whose skin fell off constantly. He couldn't live life like everyone else and he died a painful death and planned his own funeral. He stated he wish he hadn't been born.

Do you think his life was better than death? Considering we take nothing with us in death, no experiences or memories, life gained him nothing."

However I can't help but argue against this which I did showing the issues of her argument and why in truth while her argument did have great merit it was none the less faulty in the manner in which she applied it regarding this matter.

So with all things in consideration this was my reply:

Reply to: Shatto

And you dare apply that logic to all cases!? Clearly my own argument will not apply to all cases but to say that it means yours does is just insane as this is clearly not a one size fits all issue. Your argument clearly can't apply to all cases as not all individuals suffering from birth defects will feel the same or experience the same suffering and many do still find living to be worth it so clearly in such cases my own argument would come into play. Is this not more points on a scale than some single fixed condition?

And who are you to tell people whether or not life gains them anything? By that logic the whole world may as well commit suicide. We may or may not carry anything into death but a least we have experienced those things and even if afterwards we simply ceased to be we still did what we could based on our individual beliefs to make the most of that time and that's real and something with which we can find some temporary real meaning to make up this existence. It will have happened and each of us will have still existed at some point in time so we may as well make that brief moment in time as pleasent of one as possible and perhaps even help some of those we like in their quests towards such things. Who knows perhaps as long as our species exists some meaning can both exist and far outlive us going on in our legacies."

If I thought it would be practical I would go further and argue that right to live ought be determined by brain activity. Proving consciousness and capacity therein to the common mob members satisfaction is a far more daunting task and I suspect the left would surely block any research to that effect regardless of ethics followed.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

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Here we go again boys and girls!

Apparently, to Letists, babies = good snack.

context: three years ago followers of Lyndon LaRouche infiltrated an AOC rally and started babbling about how "we needed to eat the babies!" to protect the environment. It was a troll designed to see if they could bait Cortes' dumbass into going "Yeah sure, eat da babies!".

..And she actually came close to endorsing it if not for her handlers.

Any way, the LaRouchites kept the shitpost going..flashfoward to current year, these mindless savages have made the psyop a mantra.

 

[Cherico]

I can't help but respect that

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I can't help but respect that

LaRouchites are an insane cult of absolute speds, but they're an admirable type of spastic in terms of just how effective they've been despite being like..a thousand aspies piled into a bunch of communes.

Plus LaRouche himself was right about a lot of things despite being the western version of Aleksandr Dugin. Broken clocks and all that...

 

[Jormungandr]

"But we have moral fiber and we took the high-road!" said those on the center and right as the knife is slowly slid into their hearts, before their children are stolen.

Pro-tip: the "high-road" doesn't work if they're actively destroying the road.

sigh I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the only way this is going to end is if anyone not on the Left kills them before they kill us.

 

[LordsFire]

"But we have moral fiber and we took the high-road!" said those on the center and right as the knife is slowly slid into their hearts, before their children are stolen.

Pro-tip: the "high-road" doesn't work if they're actively destroying the road.

sigh I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the only way this is going to end is if anyone not on the Left kills them before they kill us.

The high road absolutely works. What doesn't work, is false piety where you fail to do harsh things when harsh circumstances literally do require it.

I'm probably going to get married within the year. If I have children, they will not be taught by groomers. I default to homeschooling, but if for whatever reason I do send them to a public school, if I find out about a teacher 'talking about kink' or 'gender-fluidity' in grade school, my children will not return to that school for as long as that teacher works there, and if they aren't suspended and then fired in a reasonable timeframe, won't be returning until the administration is replaced as well.

I will also be calling the police to report the teacher as a child molester/groomer.

If the left has gained enough control of the legal system that they try to take my children away from me for refusing to let them be groomed?

I have guns. I will use those guns. This will not be 'leaving the moral high road.' This will not be 'doing something wrong.' This will be keeping the moral high road. I'll offer whatever agents they send every warning to back off, but if they refuse, then I will protect my children with lethal force.

There are some things worth fighting and killing for. To do so is not to leave the moral high road.


To use a less dramatic example, referring to most congressional democrats as 'lying and evil' is not leaving the moral high road. It is speaking the truth, and the sooner we have more reps and senators who recognize that, the better.

People seem to forget that Jesus had extremely harsh words for pharisees and other social leaders who took advantage of their position and status, lied, cheated, stole, and led people astray. I strive to be like Jesus, and that includes calling a governor, an actor, a big-name reporter, other people of power and influence, exactly what they are.

It is important though to keep it to what they are. If they're enabling child grooming, call them enablers. If they're supporting racist policies, call them racists. If they're not doing one of those things, call them the one but not the other. There's no need to tell lies because you get carried away, when the truth is devastating in its own right.


The high road is absolutely effective in fighting a cultural and political war. What isn't effective is what feckless cowards too afraid of social disapproval to speak the truth call the 'high road' because they want to be 'polite' to the people who are tearing our society apart.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Like I've said before. They do this thing where they argue because Jesus told slaves in the Roman Empire not to rise in armed rebellion (Christ knew how that would end, he wasn't dumb. He was one of the greatest minds to ever walk the earth. Whether you believe in his divinity or not. That at least must be accepted, acknowledged and praised) but to alter the Roman system from within and restore through kindness that which was denied to you by right. To mean that Jesus wanted you to lose gracefully and suffer defeat and death and suffer evil to roam freely.

That is the antithesis of Christly conduct and Christly teaching. Turning the other cheek stops when the devil commands the hand that strikes you.

Granted I'm no Bible scholar but yeah.

 

[Typhonis]

Alito asks questions Roe’s defenders can’t answer (msn.com)

An article on Alito's reasons for overturning R v W.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Third Pro-Life Facility Firebombed.

Radical abortion activists who firebombed the office of a pro-life groups in Wisconsin and Oregon and who have vandalized over a dozen churches and pregnancy centers have struck again.

Early this morning police and fire departments in Buffalo, New York responded to smoke and fire at CompassCare, a pro-life medical office and pregnancy center that helps women and children. The building was firebombed and the windows in the reception room and nurses’ office were broken and fires lit.

Graffiti on the building left by the arsonists refers to the abortion terrorist group Jane’s Revenge reading, “Jane Was Here.” The group took responsibility for a firebombing of a pro-life organization in Madison, Wisconsin in May, and it could have been responsible for bombing the offices of Oregon Right to Life during the same month. It has also vandalized and destroyed multiple churches and pregnancy centers.

The group that alleged responsibility for this and other terrorist attacks is known as 'Jane's Revenge.'

Abortion Activists Firebomb Pro-Life Pregnancy Center, Third Bombing in Weeks - LifeNews.com

Radical abortion activists who firebombed the office of a pro-life groups in Wisconsin and Oregon and who have vandalized over a dozen churches and pregnancy centers have struck again. Early this morning police and fire departments in Buffalo, New York responded to smoke and fire at CompassCare...

www.lifenews.com

 

[The Whispering Monk]

And the FBI is going after Trump advisors...excellent use of resources.

 

[Cherico]

And the FBI is going after Trump advisors...excellent use of resources.

The FBI is in desperate need of a house clearing at best and needs to be completely dismantled at worst. Its out of control and needs to be held in check.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

It feels like it's time to completely remove the Bureau and rebuild from the foundation up. It's been turned into a political machine and not an organization devoted to law.

 

[Cherico]

It feels like it's time to completely remove the Bureau and rebuild from the foundation up. It's been turned into a political machine and not an organization devoted to law.

no it started as a political machine, law was always its secondary purpose.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

no it started as a political machine, law was always its secondary purpose.

It was headed by a degenerate and control-freak who put personal slights over the mission of the organization he was supposed to lead.

 

[Aldarion]

Like I've said before. They do this thing where they argue because Jesus told slaves in the Roman Empire not to rise in armed rebellion (Christ knew how that would end, he wasn't dumb. He was one of the greatest minds to ever walk the earth. Whether you believe in his divinity or not. That at least must be accepted, acknowledged and praised) but to alter the Roman system from within and restore through kindness that which was denied to you by right. To mean that Jesus wanted you to lose gracefully and suffer defeat and death and suffer evil to roam freely.

That is the antithesis of Christly conduct and Christly teaching. Turning the other cheek stops when the devil commands the hand that strikes you.

Granted I'm no Bible scholar but yeah.

Jesus' followers carried swords with them, and Jesus fully expected him to. That fact alone is enough to disprove all the pacifist bullshit... unfortunately, most Christians do not know Bible but rather know the Leftist-Commie interpretation of it.

 

[LordsFire]

Jesus' followers carried swords with them, and Jesus fully expected him to. That fact alone is enough to disprove all the pacifist bullshit... unfortunately, most Christians do not know Bible but rather know the Leftist-Commie interpretation of it.

Letting other people interpose themselves between you and God always ends up with things like this.

 

[ProfessorCurio]

Jesus' followers carried swords with them, and Jesus fully expected him to. That fact alone is enough to disprove all the pacifist bullshit... unfortunately, most Christians do not know Bible but rather know the Leftist-Commie interpretation of it.

There is a difference between peaceful reform and kindness in the face of adversity and simply refusing to defend yourself from imminent violence as appropriate.

All too often revolts have ended with the oppressed becoming the oppressors in some capacity or adopting some extreme inversion of the societal and moral principles of the oppressors.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Updates on Abortion Laws by State.



Generally Speaking. Alabama for example wasn't mentioned. And for those protecting babies there could be exceptions like in cases of rape or incest or health of Mother or other complications etc.

Also Kansas is pursuing a pro-life Amendment as well.