paulobrito
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The French are beating hard on active cancelation.
Su-57
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Either build stealth or active cancelation.
That is the best way to counter said stealth.
On has to remember though, range of ones own weapons and capabilities to launch at Mach are also important factors.
US is going for Stealth, but may make active cancelation and stealth combined
That is the best way to counter said stealth.
On has to remember though, range of ones own weapons and capabilities to launch at Mach are also important factors.
US is going for Stealth, but may make active cancelation and stealth combined
Can't happen because unlike armor, stealth is a gradual boon. Armor is either pierced or holds. Stealth in effect reduces detection/lock range by some factor, depending on many variables. Its great if that makes it go down to fairly impractical 5 km, but even reducing a 100 km range SAM site to 50 km effective range has some value.
And yes, it can and probably will need to be combined with more classic EWAR capabilities for the times it does get detected anyway.
Or advances in miniaturization and AI might make SARH obsolete, and missiles become almost entirely autonomous.
Supermaneuvrability is pretty on air shows, but its practical use in combat is dubious at best.
paulobrito
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A missile is never going to get the EW power / capability of the plane is chasing. Supermaneuvrability is useful to help the plane that has it to point the nose faster to the other plane to launch missiles or in more extreme cases like the one hypothesized, point the gun to the adversary.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Not really - armour is not "either perced or holds" because any projectiles lose energy over range. Sure, there is a "pierced / holds" treshold, but there is also the "unseen / detected" treshold with stealth. So with armour and stealth both, it comes down how good protection is in terms of cutting down effective engagement range, and whether it is worth the cost.
Doesn't apply to CE munitions and with KE it is usually a minor one in comparison to effective range.
That's the thing, stealth messes not only with engagement ranges by affecting radar locks and being usually combined with exhaust IR signature suppression, but also reducing early warning radar detection range regardless of that, which in turn reduces the reaction time available to the enemy, which has its own use.
paulobrito
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Interesting question on stealth - how much affect the seeker of radar-guided missiles?
If enough turns the IR ones the priority - with advanced matrix sensors, they are very difficult to fool, and the reduction of IR signature of stealth fighters maybe not be enough.
If enough turns the IR ones the priority - with advanced matrix sensors, they are very difficult to fool, and the reduction of IR signature of stealth fighters maybe not be enough.
Aaron Fox
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Last I've checked, modern IR seekers are practically immune to most IR countermeasures because they've been adding UV sensors into the IR head (and have been since the Stinger, which is why in MGSV they called the Stinger the 'Bumblebee' as it had UV seeking capabilities, as bumbles can see in the UV spectrum as well as the visual), so you'll have to fool that as well and from what I've heard, that is far harder than it looks.
So, it is more likely that you'll be able to fool/be immune to cheaper/older IR seeking systems but as more modern IR seekers get deployed in mass.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Unfortunately there was only one combat use of modern IR seeker so far and even then the outdated Su-22 managed to dodge it.
Aaron Fox
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Note that we've been using IR seekers with UV terminal guidance packages since the 1980s (which is the modern IR seeker setup)...
Also, a source about this incident.
PsihoKekec
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paulobrito
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Advanced IR seekers (like AIM-9X and Mica IR NG) use high-resolution matrix systems, very difficult to fool.
Yes, I know they have UV tech incorporated - I call them IR seekers because is the name they have.
Yes, I know they have UV tech incorporated - I call them IR seekers because is the name they have.
Aaron Fox
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I'll have to double-check but given that it didn't specify which variant...
From what I understand, they're still called IR seekers because they rely on the IR sensor for midcourse while the UV is the terminal.