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ATP

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If Israel were treated like any other nation, they'd have been allowed to expel the Palestinians as a whole and annex those enclaves years ago.

I do not care about both palestinian and jews - but that land belong to palestinian,not jews.There were times when one nation could expel others and nothing happened,but that times are over.

Russians could not expel Chechens,and China uygurs.Not becouse they lack power,but becouse they pretend to be cyvilised.
They treat them worst then Izrael palestinians,but could not expel.

And exactly for that reason Izrael could not expell palestinians from all of their lands.Becouse they pretend to be cyvilised.
Only those who,like ISIS say "we are not cyvilised and so what?" could do such things now.

So,if Izrael want palestinian gone from their lands they need to stop pretend to be cyvilised state.If they declare themselves something like ISIS and did so nobody would care.Including me.

Of course,times are changing.It would be WW3 war equivalent between 2030 and 2040,and then all states who want other gone could massacre them.But for now - as long as Izrael play cyvilized state,they could not do so.
 

LordsFire

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I do not care about both palestinian and jews - but that land belong to palestinian,not jews.There were times when one nation could expel others and nothing happened,but that times are over.

You seem to be under the impression that the way a group of people behave has no bearing on how it is acceptable to treat them.

Further, an argument with the same rational coherence as 'because it's 2015' has no meaningful weight to it.
 

ATP

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You seem to be under the impression that the way a group of people behave has no bearing on how it is acceptable to treat them.

Further, an argument with the same rational coherence as 'because it's 2015' has no meaningful weight to it.

I do not care about arabs - but Israel dould not expel them all from their land till they play good guys.If they stop plaing,they could do so.
But why do so? when wars start,nobody would care about palestinians,and then Israel could do so.They only need to wait 10-20 years.
 

Marduk

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There were times when one nation could expel others and nothing happened,but that times are over.
Are you kidding?

How many people who identify as Ukrainians live in Donbass and Crimea anymore?
Also the Armenia-Azerbaijan war.
Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Russians could not expel Chechens,and China uygurs.Not becouse they lack power,but becouse they pretend to be cyvilised.
In all cases they have nowhere to expel them to really, also China is not into getting rid of perfectly good semi-slave labor, those labor camps won't staff themselves you know. Where's Russia going to send the Chechens to? Siberia? Great, now the Siberian tundra is also full of unruly islamists and they are harder to find, not an upgrade at all. To expel people you also need a half decent country at least, otherwise being expelled is more of a reward, so the shittiest countries have to think twice about it. A lot of North Koreans would pay to be expelled.
 

ATP

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Are you kidding?

How many people who identify as Ukrainians live in Donbass and Crimea anymore?
Also the Armenia-Azerbaijan war.
Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

In all cases they have nowhere to expel them to really, also China is not into getting rid of perfectly good semi-slave labor, those labor camps won't staff themselves you know. Where's Russia going to send the Chechens to? Siberia? Great, now the Siberian tundra is also full of unruly islamists and they are harder to find, not an upgrade at all. To expel people you also need a half decent country at least, otherwise being expelled is more of a reward, so the shittiest countries have to think twice about it. A lot of North Koreans would pay to be expelled.

1.Russia is allowed to do things other countries,like Izrael still could not do.
2.You are right about chineese gulags,but that still do not change fact that even China could not expel entire nation - now.
3.Right about North Korea - when Poland was under commies,we have the same situation.But only our jews could go abroad till 1956.And till 1970 that was still almost impossible for normal people.Everybody envied jews.

But still times are changing - and between 2030 and 2040 everybody who want and have power could expel or even genocide his minorities.

And Israel is still in better situation then others- they could keep Aparthaid and remain racist state,when Rhodesia and South Africa become democratic - and go down as states.
It seems,that Aparthaid was working better in Africa then democracy.

Personally,i still prefer monarchy.
 

Marduk

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1.Russia is allowed to do things other countries,like Izrael still could not do.
Is allowed by who? Who is so powerful to make or deny such allowances? Why would allies of the hegemon be "allowed" to do less and hegemon's enemies more?

2.You are right about chineese gulags,but that still do not change fact that even China could not expel entire nation - now.
Because they have nowhere to expel it. That's why most effective expulsions now are "soft" - just make it clear to the designated group that they aren't welcome, life is going to suck for them, and they would be better off leaving, and then they will do the dirty work for you, expelling themselves, and individually looking for places to expel themselves to, more or less legally.


And Israel is still in better situation then others- they could keep Aparthaid and remain racist state,when Rhodesia and South Africa become democratic - and go down as states.
It seems,that Aparthaid was working better in Africa then democracy.

Personally,i still prefer monarchy.
That was about the western liberal left and PR games against commies. They were calling Israel an apartheid state since long too, but back then they were too weak and afraid to risk getting called antisemites. Meanwhile in case of SA the wind of politics was blowing into their sails thanks to the parallel to US race politics.
 

ATP

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Is allowed by who? Who is so powerful to make or deny such allowances? Why would allies of the hegemon be "allowed" to do less and hegemon's enemies more?


Because they have nowhere to expel it. That's why most effective expulsions now are "soft" - just make it clear to the designated group that they aren't welcome, life is going to suck for them, and they would be better off leaving, and then they will do the dirty work for you, expelling themselves, and individually looking for places to expel themselves to, more or less legally.



That was about the western liberal left and PR games against commies. They were calling Israel an apartheid state since long too, but back then they were too weak and afraid to risk getting called antisemites. Meanwhile in case of SA the wind of politics was blowing into their sails thanks to the parallel to US race politics.

1.Good question.I undarstandt why soviets could do much more then other countries - they were superpower and champion of communism.But Russia is invading other countries - and nothing really happen.
So,for some reason they are allowed to do whatever they like,but by who - beat me,if i knew.

2.That is good explanation,chineese was always practical.

3.So,Israel could remain Aparthaid state becouse palestinians were no black ? good for them.And,to be frank,for palestinian,too.
Considering how "good" democracy work for arab nations,it is better for them live in Aparthaid.Just like for people of Zimbwabwe lived better under Rhodesian yoke.
 

49ersfootball

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Howdy from the Alamo City Sietch family. Anything intriguing going on in Israel ? I've heard the 2021 Miss Universe pageant will be held there next month.
 

GoldRanger

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Howdy from the Alamo City Sietch family. Anything intriguing going on in Israel ? I've heard the 2021 Miss Universe pageant will be held there next month.
What do you mean by "anything intriguing"?

Headlines at the moment are all about ordinary stuff, nothing very big going on at the moment. But in Israel anything can happen in a moment's notice.
 

GoldRanger

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A German military photographer posted two pictures of Jordanian fighter jets taking part in this month’s massive Blue Flag aerial exercise on social media on Friday, apparently inadvertently revealing that the kingdom had participated in the Israeli-hosted drill.

Until the cameraman, Falk Bärwald, posted the photographs on his Instagram account, Jordan’s participation in the two-week-long exercise had officially been kept a secret.

In one photo, a Jordanian F-16 fighter jet can be seen riding along a runway in the Israeli Air Force’s Ovda base, just north of Eilat, while a French Rafale jet flies above it. In the second, a Jordanian F-16 could be seen taking off from the same base.

The Blue Flag exercise kicked off on October 14 and concluded on Thursday. Eight foreign militaries participated in the drill, which Israeli Air Force officials said was the largest and most advanced aerial exercise that has been held in Israel to date. In addition, representatives from a number of other foreign countries, including the commander of the United Arab Emirates air force, came to Israel to observe the drill.

In case anyone is still buying into the fiction that Israel is becoming isolated or that the BDS movement is anything more than a mosquito bite at best, an embarrassment at worst.
 
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ATP

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In case anyone is still buying into the fiction that Israel is becoming isolated or that the BDS movement is anything more than a mosquito bite at best, an embarrassment at worst.

Izrael is in alliance with KGBstan,and is still owning USA.Of course,that they are not isolated.They would not attack Poland if they were.
 

ATP

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Yeeees, Arab Socialist countries getting tons of stuff from the Soviet Union, veeeery USA supporting.

Till 1948,and even 1956,arabs supported USA.Then USA supported Izrael for free,and in exchange turned arab countries into enemies.It is good to knew,that exist country more stupid then Poland.
Becouse USA paid to turn allies into enemies.
But,becouse Izrael still own USA,they certainly are not isolated.And even if Biden manage to destroy USA,Izrael have still their KGB allies in Russia.So,they would be no isolated even without USA.
 

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