Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread

[ATP]

Spotted in a Palestinian town near Hebron:

And Israel 2.0 is honoring memory of soviet genociders.Why arabs could not support german genociders ,too?
Most important - Israel 2.0 still taken their land in 1948.Law of property is for everybody,which include muslims.

 

[Cherico]

And Israel 2.0 is honoring memory of soviet genociders.Why arabs could not support german genociders ,too?
Most important - Israel 2.0 still taken their land in 1948.Law of property is for everybody,which include muslims.

that issue was solved on the battlefield, in retrospect the Jewish people were too merciful, if they had simply expelled the arabs like Arabs expelled jews in their countries then Isreal would have endured maybe a decade of bullshit from the press and it would all be over.

A lesson I suppose.

 

[ATP]

that issue was solved on the battlefield, in retrospect the Jewish people were too merciful, if they had simply expelled the arabs like Arabs expelled jews in their countries then Isreal would have endured maybe a decade of bullshit from the press and it would all be over.

A lesson I suppose.

Stealing is stealing.There is no two morals for states and humans,there is one or none.
So,either there is law of property for everybody,or for nobody.
If you say that winning battle mean freedom of stealing,then you could not complain if somebody stronger robb ed you.

 

[LordsFire]

Stealing is stealing.There is no two morals for states and humans,there is one or none.
So,either there is law of property for everybody,or for nobody.
If you say that winning battle mean freedom of stealing,then you could not complain if somebody stronger robb ed you.

So, does the land go back to the Israelites because they had it 2000 years ago then?

Or to the Canaanites who had it 1000 years before that?

Do the Canaanites even exist as a known people group anymore?

 

[Marduk]

Stealing is stealing.There is no two morals for states and humans,there is one or none.
So,either there is law of property for everybody,or for nobody.

Have you considered that different societies have different laws?
There are dozens of moral systems preferred by different peoples of different cultures.
Many of them unashamedly self-serving. Including the islamist one. Which is why islamists are still butthurt about Al-Andalus.

Muslim Leader Demands 'Reparations' for Spanish Inquisition

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If you say that winning battle mean freedom of stealing,then you could not complain if somebody stronger robb ed you.

By that line the Arabs should not complain either. You know how they got that land in the first place...

 

[Terthna]

Stealing is stealing.There is no two morals for states and humans,there is one or none.
So,either there is law of property for everybody,or for nobody.
If you say that winning battle mean freedom of stealing,then you could not complain if somebody stronger robb ed you.

You do realize that was a civil war the Jews won, right? One which started when the Palestinians took objection to the British importing more Jews into their country, sectioning off parts of it for them, and decided to genocide their native Jewish population in response. The fact that said native Jews were bolstered by Jews from all over the world and beat them back does not make them thieves.

 

[Husky_Khan]

A Jerusalem Auction House revealed several new photographs dating back to World War II of the Grand Mufti Amin al-Husseini visiting a Nazi German Concentration Camp. According to experts, he visited the Trebbin Camp outside of Berlin where prisoners engaged in forced labor including large numbers of Jews. The photo was apparently stamped as taking place in 1943 as also in the tour group was Indian Hindu Separatist/Nationalist Leader Subhash C. Bose, former Iraqi Prime Minister Ali al-Kailani and Mile Budak, a member of the anti-semitic Ustasha Party in Croatia.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/amin-al-husseini-nazi-concentration-camp

 

[ATP]

A Jerusalem Auction House revealed several new photographs dating back to World War II of the Grand Mufti Amin al-Husseini visiting a Nazi German Concentration Camp. According to experts, he visited the Trebbin Camp outside of Berlin where prisoners engaged in forced labor including large numbers of Jews. The photo was apparently stamped as taking place in 1943 as also in the tour group was Indian Hindu Separatist/Nationalist Leader Subhash C. Bose, former Iraqi Prime Minister Ali al-Kailani and Mile Budak, a member of the anti-semitic Ustasha Party in Croatia.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/amin-al-husseini-nazi-concentration-camp

So? he do not tortured anybody,or help do that.

Jews elites in Eastern Europe helped german genocide their own people - for example in Warsaw 700 jews fought in so called uprising in 1943,when 10.000 clerks made list of jews,2500 jewish police take those jews to rail which bring them to death camps/when 60 bored germans looked at that/ ,and 1000 jewish gestapo agents hunted those who hide among poles.
And when german found them,those poles was murdered with their families.

The same was in other polish cities.

@LordsFire - we had no real property law till Chrystianity,only law of fist.But now we follow Jesus law.
@Marduk - only western Christian cyvilisation had universal property law,others have tribal laws working only for their people
And Palestinian are caananities who become jews,later pagans,later christian,and in the end muslims and lived there from bronze age till 1948.
@Terthna - cyvil war is among the same people.Are you trying to say that palestinian are still jews ?they were,but till real Izrael fall.
Jews genocided entire arab village and engage in terrorism,not arabs.
Jews was bolstered by Sralin and won thanks to czech weapons which he ordered deliver them.
And stealing land do not give you law of property,otherwise anybody stronger could take it from you.

P.S in the case we had here SB style idiot - i do not support muslims,i support property law.Becouse i am catholic - but also becouse of logic.Lack of property law means,that sunner or later somebody would robb me - and if i supported law of jungle earlier,i would have to right to complain then.

 

[Terthna]

So? he do not tortured anybody,or help do that.

Jews elites in Eastern Europe helped german genocide their own people - for example in Warsaw 700 jews fought in so called uprising in 1943,when 10.000 clerks made list of jews,2500 jewish police take those jews to rail which bring them to death camps/when 60 bored germans looked at that/ ,and 1000 jewish gestapo agents hunted those who hide among poles.
And when german found them,those poles was murdered with their families.

The same was in other polish cities.

@LordsFire - we had no real property law till Chrystianity,only law of fist.But now we follow Jesus law.
@Marduk - only western Christian cyvilisation had universal property law,others have tribal laws working only for their people
And Palestinian are caananities who become jews,later pagans,later christian,and in the end muslims and lived there from bronze age till 1948.
@Terthna - cyvil war is among the same people.Are you trying to say that palestinian are still jews ?they were,but till real Izrael fall.
Jews genocided entire arab village and engage in terrorism,not arabs.
Jews was bolstered by Sralin and won thanks to czech weapons which he ordered deliver them.
And stealing land do not give you law of property,otherwise anybody stronger could take it from you.

P.S in the case we had here SB style idiot - i do not support muslims,i support property law.Becouse i am catholic - but also becouse of logic.Lack of property law means,that sunner or later somebody would robb me - and if i supported law of jungle earlier,i would have to right to complain then.

Honestly, it just sounds like you oppose Jews.

 

[ATP]

Honestly, it just sounds like you oppose Jews.

Which one ? they are no monolith.But - no matter.

Personally - as long as they do not try steal from me,i do not care what happen to them.It is indifference.

But i care about law of property,becouse i could argue against somebody stealing from me only if i do not break law of property.

And i care about Truth - and Truth is that jewish elites helped germans genocide their people to save their own skin.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Honestly, it just sounds like you oppose Jews.

I try to give ATP the benefit of the doubt as a non-native English speaker trying to post in a foreign language. But he does have a pretty long history of posting negative things about Jews in every thread that mentions them.

 

[Terthna]

Personally - as long as they do not try steal from me,i do not care what happen to them.It is indifference.

But i care about law of property,becouse i could argue against somebody stealing from me only if i do not break law of property.

And yet you seem to be dead set on ignoring the Jews' rights; because it's not like they're exempt from owning property. Property which a military coalition of Arab states tried to take away from them in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, via outright killing them all wholesale.

And i care about Truth - and Truth is that jewish elites helped germans genocide their people to save their own skin.

And what is it about the Jewish elites that makes you want to single them out in this? Because they weren't the only ones; elites around the world supported the Nazis and their genocidal activities. Hell; the goddamn pope at the time refused to condemn their actions.

 

[Marduk]

@Marduk - only western Christian cyvilisation had universal property law,others have tribal laws working only for their people

Jews aren't Christians. Muslims aren't Christians. Western Christian civilization is hardly Christian anymore and has a mess of its own.
Why should anyone apply that to the conflict between Jews and Muslims?

And Palestinian are caananities who become jews,later pagans,later christian,and in the end muslims and lived there from bronze age till 1948.

Mathematically impossible for most of them.

Debunking the claim that “Palestinians” are the indigenous people of Israel

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In the midst of various arguments, what has been overlooked is a simple and incontrovertible way to prove that the vast majority of “Palestinians” are the descendants of the relatively recent Arab immigrants.

Peters calculated that in 1882, just the non-nomadic, settled Muslims in Palestine numbered 141,000. Among them, those that resided in Palestine before the 1831 Egyptian invasion numbered 75 percent, or 105,700 (FTI page 197). By 2015, descendants of these 105,700 persons can trace their linage in Palestine for almost 200 years. Therefore, one might consider them to be the indigenous residents. The date 1831 is important, because this was the beginning of the war with Arab Egypt, during which many thousands of Arabs settled in Palestine and changed its demographics.

The number of 105,700 thousand settled Muslims is in general agreement with other important data. Walter Lowdermilk gives the total number of 200,000 people residing in Palestine in 1850 (page 76 – Palestine Land of Promise 1944). Lowdermilk's number includes Jews, Christians, travelling nomadic Bedouins and settled Muslims. It also includes Arabs that immigrated after the war of 1831. Arthur Ruppin estimates the total population in year 1882 as 300,000 Palestinian inhabitants, including nomadic and settled Muslims, Christians and Jews (The Jews in the Modern World, MacMillan - 1934 page 368).

P.S in the case we had here SB style idiot - i do not support muslims,i support property law.Becouse i am catholic - but also becouse of logic.Lack of property law means,that sunner or later somebody would robb me - and if i supported law of jungle earlier,i would have to right to complain then.

Wars and conquests go beyond laws, they establish who gets to decide what laws are the law of the land.

 

[Bear Ribs]

And yet you seem to be dead set on ignoring the Jews' rights; because it's not like they're exempt from owning property. Property which a military coalition of Arab states tried to take away from them in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, via outright killing them all wholesale.

The property rights thing seems to have arisen from Israel noting that Poland expelled its Jewish population and confiscated their property, multiple times after WWII all the way into the late 60s.

Recently Israel has been petitioning to get the value of all the confiscated property back to the people (or their heirs) it was taken from, which has aroused in Poland a powerful interest in property rights and specifically why Jews shouldn't have any and don't even own the land they're standing on, and thus have no natural right to demand any property from Poland even if the reason they're on the land in Israel is because Poland expelled them and took away the land they were living on before.

 

[ATP]

The property rights thing seems to have arisen from Israel noting that Poland expelled its Jewish population and confiscated their property, multiple times after WWII all the way into the late 60s.

Recently Israel has been petitioning to get the value of all the confiscated property back to the people (or their heirs) it was taken from, which has aroused in Poland a powerful interest in property rights and specifically why Jews shouldn't have any and don't even own the land they're standing on, and thus have no natural right to demand any property from Poland even if the reason they're on the land in Israel is because Poland expelled them and took away the land they were living on before.

Not Poland,but polish commies.And even not expelled - they leave on their own with their property in times when poles who try run west was send to massgraves or prisons.In 1968 jews,including cryminals from secret police go with their property on their own.

Those who really are heirs could do get their property back/something which is still impossible for polish gentry/

Those living in USA are covered by USA,which take money from polish commies for that goal.

And those who was genocided by germans with entire families - their property belong to polish state,not Israel.
And problem is becouse Israel want it - according to that logic,if some poles died in USA without heirs their property should belong to polish state.

@Terthna - yes,in western states elites helped kill jews.Romanian and Hungary,too.Poland - no,becouse our elites were first german victims.germans send Eisetsgruppen to Poland in 1939 to kill polish elites,not jews.
Pope saved more jews silently helping them then USA and England combined.
And in 1948 most land belonged to palestinians - and their village,not jewish,was genocided.

@Marduk - for muslims taking not muslim property is good thing,the same for jews.If we want anything more then law of jungle Christian cyvilisation is only option.
And no,war do not made law.Stealing is stealing no matter who did so we are back in jungle.

P.S Poland ,Izrael 2. and other states had exactly the same law and obligation.That is all.I do not consider jews worst,but they are no better then others,too.

 

[Marduk]

And problem is becouse Israel want it - according to that logic,if some poles died in USA without heirs their property should belong to polish state.

You messed up that part. NGOs described usually as "Jewish organizations" want it. Not the state of Israel. Some of those organizations are USA based. Some of the Israeli politicians give it lip service for politics, but they aren't the ones set to get the money.

@Marduk - for muslims taking not muslim property is good thing,the same for jews.If we want anything more then law of jungle Christian cyvilisation is only option.
And no,war do not made law.Stealing is stealing no matter who did so we are back in jungle.

Go tell that to Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, even Germans. When it comes to countries grabbing land no one cares about your ideals.
The functional rule is "if you have the law, pound the law, if you have the facts, pound the facts, and if you have neither, pound the table".

 

[ATP]

You messed up that part. NGOs described usually as "Jewish organizations" want it. Not the state of Israel. Some of those organizations are USA based. Some of the Israeli politicians give it lip service for politics, but they aren't the ones set to get the money.


Go tell that to Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, even Germans. When it comes to countries grabbing land no one cares about your ideals.
The functional rule is "if you have the law, pound the law, if you have the facts, pound the facts, and if you have neither, pound the table".

1.Well,Izrael 2.O is supporting it,but you are right.NGO are problem,not jews.Holocaust Industry was revelaed by Finkenstein.

2.Rather especially germans.But i hold to it becouse when somebody robb me,i could not even complain.And that why most people should keep it - becouse only few oliogarchs are always winning,all others are those who eventually get robbed.
If i was such oligarch,i would probably support all stealings,becouse i would profit from all of it.

 

[49ersfootball]

I try to give ATP the benefit of the doubt as a non-native English speaker trying to post in a foreign language. But he does have a pretty long history of posting negative things about Jews in every thread that mentions them.

I'm going to ignore him as it appears he's anti-Semitic.

 

[GoldRanger]

I'm going to ignore him as it appears he's anti-Semitic.

Duh.

 

[ATP]

I'm going to ignore him as it appears he's anti-Semitic.

It is your right to be wrong.Becouse treating jews just like any other nation is not being anti,but normal.