Sergeant Foley
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Speaking of Israeli politics: Assuming Netanyahu successfully formed new government?
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Man dies during heart catheterization in Petah Tikva hospital due to malfunction
Beilinson Medical Center says doctors were unable to resuscitate 78-year-old patient after imaging equipment stopped working mid-procedure
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Very sad news, when a medical machine gives out on you in the middle of surgery and you thus die.
@GoldRanger @Marduk Question for you guys: Once Israel will become overpopulated, would it be realistic for a lot of Israeli Jews who still want to have a lot of kids to move abroad? If so, might this be a golden opportunity for the EU's Eastern European member countries to open their doors wide open to Israeli Jews? AFAIK, Eastern Europeans nowadays are probably much more hostile towards Muslims than they are towards Jews, and if they really miss their historical Jewish populations, then they should welcome Israeli Jewish immigrants with open arms. Plus, due to dysgenics and the Mizrahi ancestry of a lot of them, these new Jews won't be a cognitive elite in their countries like their old Jewish populations were. So, perhaps less room for resentment.
Jesus, can you stop bothering me with immigration to Israel questions?
That is actually an immigration from Israel question, if one wants to be technical.
Sergeant Foley
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I had to put @WolfBear on the ignore list because of the nagging questions he flooded onto the Post 1900 forum
Some of my AH questions are of high-quality:
Some early 20th century alternate history questions
1. Was it ever feasible for the Central Powers to open a land corridor from the Ottoman Empire to Afghanistan through Persia during World War I? 2. If Russia will get taken over by the Socialist Revolutionaries ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Revolutionary_Party ) rather than the...
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Serbia surrenders to Austria-Hungary in late 1914
What if Serbia would have surrendered to Austria-Hungary in late 1914? https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-serbia-surrendered-to-austria-hungary-in-november-1914.414782/ In that thread, @raharris1973 says that they nearly did so: Apparently, the Serbians nearly did so. So what...
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That's a good idea actually!
Speaking in dire terms, MKs warn incoming coalition against altering Law of Return
In 'emergency conference' at the Knesset, lawmakers from across the political spectrum say revoking the 'grandchild clause' would profoundly damage the Israel-Diaspora relationship
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So, this scenario filters for those who want a lot of children, and aren't rich\educated enough to go to USA like they traditionally would.
Those would be mostly the poorest Haredim. They would like to be accommodated like they are in Israel currently, at minimum in part. For one Eastern Europe will not like that idea at all and is more likely to tell them that straight out than, say, Germany.
Especially if socioeconomic situation in Israel gets bad enough that Jews would want to immigrate to them.
The thing with having them relocate to Germany is that there are a lot of Muslims there who wouldn't necessarily be very pleased by the idea of living next to visibly Jewish people. In contrast, Intermarium doesn't have a Muslim problem--not yet, at least. And I suspect that they would want to be treated in Intermarium similar to how the USA treats them and their co-fellows.
King Arts
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Why would Haradeim be better than Muslims? Neither group is Christian, and neither group is economically productive as they are religious groups who self segregate, also their kids that leave their religion are likely to go super liberal and start the cycle all over again.
Haredim probably have a higher average IQ than Muslims have. Ashkenazi Jews are notorious for their high IQ, and most Haredim are Ashkenazis, albeit of the duller variety. US Orthodox Jews still have an average IQ comparable to that of white gentiles:
Jew IQ
Vox Day recently disputed the notion that ZOG is a result of high Jewish IQ. In so doing, he\'s drawing swords with the likes of Gregory Cochran, Charles Murray, and Stephen Pinker. To atrociously mix metaphors, that prices me way out of the cognitive market, so I won\'t comment on the merits or...
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Also, in Eastern Europe and really anywhere outside of Israel, there would be more incentives for Haredim to work since they won't as easily be able to rely on government gibsmedats. And Haredim generally don't have a problem with murdering people who engage in Judeophobic speech (even Holocaust denial) like Muslims have with their bad apples who are eager to murder people over Muhammad cartoons and other Islamophobic speech (ex.: Hadi Matar's recent attack on Salman Rushdie).
Yeah, that's not happening. These are nation-states who are managing to get along only thanks to shared interests despite overall cultural similarity. How does a quite different group from far away fit into that puzzle? It doesn't.
Incentives, yes. But they would not be happy with it. So if their numbers manage to pick up, they start getting into politics to get more support and accommodations. Local nationalists respond with calls for cutting this migration and deporting them.Haredim probably have a higher average IQ than Muslims have. Ashkenazi Jews are notorious for their high IQ, and most Haredim are Ashkenazis, albeit of the duller variety. US Orthodox Jews still have an average IQ comparable to that of white gentiles:
Jew IQ
Vox Day recently disputed the notion that ZOG is a result of high Jewish IQ. In so doing, he\'s drawing swords with the likes of Gregory Cochran, Charles Murray, and Stephen Pinker. To atrociously mix metaphors, that prices me way out of the cognitive market, so I won\'t comment on the merits or...www.unz.com
Also, in Eastern Europe and really anywhere outside of Israel, there would be more incentives for Haredim to work since they won't as easily be able to rely on government gibsmedats. And Haredim generally don't have a problem with murdering people who engage in Judeophobic speech (even Holocaust denial) like Muslims have with their bad apples who are eager to murder people over Muhammad cartoons and other Islamophobic speech (ex.: Hadi Matar's recent attack on Salman Rushdie).
Are you suggesting that this will simply result in a return of the "Jewish problem" to Intermarium, as was perceived to be the case in the interwar era, when Poland, et cetera tried to encourage its Jews to emigrate en masse?
They'd need quite a lot of political power in order to change things, and that will take quite a while. And deporting them will be difficult if they will already become Polish, et cetera citizens by then, though Yes, further immigration of them can certainly be curtailed. I haven't heard of a sizable Haredi lobby here in the US, but maybe I'm missing something? Am I?
More or less.
Exactly, if you could think two or three steps into this, you think other people can't?
You haven't heard of it because it's not there, it's not there because it's mostly in Israel, and it's in Israel because as of now no other country in the world will give them nearly as many favors as Israel.
But change that last factor, and it may start going places.
Haredi Judaism - Wikipedia
Though there were some local tensions already where there is a larger density of them.
‘We’re Not Safe as Jews in New York’
The Monsey stabbing is the latest in an escalating drumbeat of anti-Semitic violence in the hub of American Jewish life.
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Orthodox and Haredi Hasidic Jews in a New York suburb say they're scapegoats in the coronavirus crisis. The 'othering' goes back decades.
More than 90,000 Jews, many of them Orthodox or Haredi Hassidic, call Rockland County home. During times of crisis, they feel the blame.
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It's quite interesting, though, that out of US Haredim only a minority actually want to immigrate to Israel. And yet here in the US, they don't appear to be trying to create a lobby of their own--not yet, at least.
Quite interesting that Western haredim used to be hostile towards Zionism but now are friendlier towards it:
Filtering, most of those who wanted to already did. And obviously they don't have the numbers for a remotely effective lobby, half a million people in USA is not much.
I wonder how much the legal status and favors that come with it play a role there.
Half a million people in Poland won't be very much either. It will be slightly over 1% of the total Polish population.
Possibly quite a significant role.
Not very much, but in right circumstances enough to have few own representatives in local and national politics.