Yep, though adding on at least Saudi Arabia to them would be really nice.
Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread
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Yep, though adding on at least Saudi Arabia to them would be really nice.
If you hear something about the IDF committing crimes by firing on ambulances in the future, please recall the following video:
And remember, it can't be "Israeli state propaganda" (which is the standard lazy deflection Israel-haters use) if there's clear video evidence.
And remember, it can't be "Israeli state propaganda" (which is the standard lazy deflection Israel-haters use) if there's clear video evidence.
Oh, and the IDF killed a Palestinian doctor recently (not sure if in the same incident or another one).
Here's Al-Jazeera's shitty take on this:
www.aljazeera.com
And here's a different side to the good doctor Al-Jazeera REALLY hopes you never see:
www.timesofisrael.com
All coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (and that, admittedly, may include pro-Israeli coverage too at times) is politicized as fuck. Anyone who has any interest in the conflict should keep it in mind at all times.
The same low media brainwashing tactics that are now common in the US ("mostly peaceful protests" and such) were first tested and perfected by CNN, BBC, MSNBC, Al-Jazeera and their ilk in Israel and the Palestinian territories decades before.
Here's Al-Jazeera's shitty take on this:
Israel kills two Palestinians in Jenin as settler attacks spike
At least 160 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in the occupied territories since the beginning of the year.
And here's a different side to the good doctor Al-Jazeera REALLY hopes you never see:
Palestinian doctor, claimed as terror group member, dies in Jenin gun battle
Military says troops only targeted armed Palestinians in area; Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades terror group claims Abdullah Abu Tin as member
www.timesofisrael.com
All coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (and that, admittedly, may include pro-Israeli coverage too at times) is politicized as fuck. Anyone who has any interest in the conflict should keep it in mind at all times.
The same low media brainwashing tactics that are now common in the US ("mostly peaceful protests" and such) were first tested and perfected by CNN, BBC, MSNBC, Al-Jazeera and their ilk in Israel and the Palestinian territories decades before.
Ah yeah, the narrative of the peace loving Arabs who keep asking for peace and recognition but warmongering Israel is never interested. It's pretty much the opposite of the truth.
Asking for the 1947 lines was a smart thing to do in 1947-1948; by 1967, it was already too late for this. I can understand why Arabs might feel that the 1947 partition plan was unfair to them but Israel needed the Negev for future Jewish population growth. If there was going to be a Jewish state in Palestine rather than elsewhere, then it needed some room to accommodate extremely massive numbers of future Jewish immigrants.
That apparently happens to be a recurring theme in the Arab peace proposals - their demand begins with whatever land they got offered decades ago, before the previous war to get it all they lost.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Their bargaining position is very poor.
It's not so much that their bargaining position is poor, though it has become so, it's that they keep trying to negotiate using bombs and bullets instead of words. If they'd ever once negotiated in good faith they'd have a state and the earlier they'd done so the bigger it would be.
I'm just waiting for Israel to hit its fuck it moment where they just kick the Palastinians out of the country in mass.
Any other country would have already done so by now.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
That's what I was talking about. The deal kept getting worse because they kept going on aggressive attacks to get a total victory.
Yes. That's not because their bargaining position is poor, it's because they refuse to bargain. They had a pretty strong position initially.
Their internal narrative is still "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea". It's hard to negotiate in good faith when you've convinced your own population through relentless propaganda (western leftists are also heavily at fault for this) that Israel is going to be destroyed aaaaany day now, and anything less is utterly unacceptable.
Yes. When their position was better, they tended to try help invade Israel with the neighbors instead of negotiating. More unusual realization here, it seems Kurds did the same mistake with Assad. They were half hearted in making deals when they had US support, US support slowly dried up, they kept making very ambitious demands, got laughed out.
Is this a regional tendency for aspiring independence movements? Some kind of cultural bent related to bazaar bargaining culture or something?
Then there is even the fact that we can't know how many of them even give a damn about any peace deal or Palestine's independence. A lot of them might simply care about sticking it to Israel, and beyond that, well, as the famous quotes go, they don't see Palestine and its people as needing do be distinct from Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, just want Israel down, and how the territory gets divided between the above afterwards, that's an afterthought.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Stubbornness, pride and ambition sure goes hand in hand together.
I wholeheartedly support this, though unfortunately I doubt that it would actually be implemented:
www.timesofisrael.com
My own view is that if one speaks Hebrew, celebrates the Jewish holidays, serves in the Israeli military, and knows at least a little bit about both the Jewish religion and Jewish history, then one should be good enough to become Israeli.
Liberman proposes easy entry for great-grandchildren of Jews, in wake of Ukraine war
Yisrael Beytenu party chief says measure would be temporary; also accuses other right-wing parties of planning to change Israel's 'Law of Return,' which governs immigration
www.timesofisrael.com
My own view is that if one speaks Hebrew, celebrates the Jewish holidays, serves in the Israeli military, and knows at least a little bit about both the Jewish religion and Jewish history, then one should be good enough to become Israeli.
On pragmatic grounds, it's not the worst source of immigration, it's not islamic or other sort of demand slinging diversity, but on the other hand, it makes a lot of sense for Israel to not want much immigration at all - after all, it already has a population density nearing most populous non city-state countries of Europe, like Netherlands or Belgium, and that's without taking a correction for the fact that a big chunk of Israel is outright bloody desert. A little more immigration and they will be needing to squeeze additional usable land out of the sea with polders or something.I wholeheartedly support this, though unfortunately I doubt that it would actually be implemented:
Liberman proposes easy entry for great-grandchildren of Jews, in wake of Ukraine war
Yisrael Beytenu party chief says measure would be temporary; also accuses other right-wing parties of planning to change Israel's 'Law of Return,' which governs immigration
My own view is that if one speaks Hebrew, celebrates the Jewish holidays, serves in the Israeli military, and knows at least a little bit about both the Jewish religion and Jewish history, then one should be good enough to become Israeli.
The Negev still has some potential for population growth, and there is also the option of expanding the Israeli settlements near Israel's borders a bit more. For instance, one could finally launch that E-1 building project in the Jerusalem area:
There is also food security to consider, and look at this map, also plain ol' security.The Negev still has some potential for population growth, and there is also the option of expanding the Israeli settlements near Israel's borders a bit more. For instance, one could finally launch that E-1 building project in the Jerusalem area:
Who the in their right mind wants to live encircled by West Bank from 3 directions?
Israel can import its food, no? And life in Ma'ale Adummim or, for that matter, Pisgat Ze'ev is not that bad. I myself previously lived in Pisgat Ze'ev more than two decades ago back when I and my family still lived in Israel.
Living in an area that's surrounded by the West Bank in three directions is not necessarily a bad thing since you're probably not going to be travelling much to the West Bank, if at all, unless perhaps you want to visit the Dead Sea. Your main travelling will be within the Jewish Jerusalem metropolitan area and, of course, into other parts of Israel.