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Israel should let them in:


Low numbers (a couple of thousand of them) and a decades-long commitment to Judaism. Probably don't have that much in terms of human capital, but even unskilled Jews deserve the option of aliyah.
 

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The big problem with the two state solution is that there is no clear understanding what exactly will the Palestinian state be like, how it will be run, what it will do, and how is Israel and the many international supporters of two state solution do if the Palestinian state starts doing things that the status quo is being kept to prevent from happening.
Yeah, it's convenient and widely agreeable on the face of it, but the details and the mid to long term future of it, that's a big unknown, and many people who support it don't think of it, or assume their preferred scenario of it will happen.
 

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The big problem with the two state solution is that there is no clear understanding what exactly will the Palestinian state be like, how it will be run, what it will do, and how is Israel and the many international supporters of two state solution do if the Palestinian state starts doing things that the status quo is being kept to prevent from happening.
Yeah, it's convenient and widely agreeable on the face of it, but the details and the mid to long term future of it, that's a big unknown, and many people who support it don't think of it, or assume their preferred scenario of it will happen.
There's always the Mofaz Plan as a baseline:



The Palestinians could always get more but that's the starting point. They won't accept anything less than this even as a starting point. So, goodbye Baloney Swiss-Cheese Trump Peace Plan!
 

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Yeah I've said it before. Once the Israelis started building the wall, anything on their side of the wall stays Israeli. The pre-67 border stuff is Palestinian cope.
Obviously Israel is going to keep the major settlements. Even some Palestinians themselves have admitted that.
 

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The Palestinians could always get more but that's the starting point. They won't accept anything less than this even as a starting point. So, goodbye Baloney Swiss-Cheese Trump Peace Plan!
It doesn't matter what the Palestinians accept. They have no legitimacy and no leverage. They lost way back when they voted for a Hamasnik and the leaders of the nations that had been backing them as a proxy started thinking about what a Hamas state would mean for them personally and it slowly dawned on them that this was far worse than Israel. That's why Trump's peace plan ignored them. Normalize relations between Israel and the Arab actual states and nobody cares what the Palestinians think.
 

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It doesn't matter what the Palestinians accept. They have no legitimacy and no leverage. They lost way back when they voted for a Hamasnik and the leaders of the nations that had been backing them as a proxy started thinking about what a Hamas state would mean for them personally and it slowly dawned on them that this was far worse than Israel. That's why Trump's peace plan ignored them. Normalize relations between Israel and the Arab actual states and nobody cares what the Palestinians think.
AFAIK, they voted for Hamas in 2006 in large part because they perceived Fatah as both corrupt and uncaring.
 

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It doesn't matter what the Palestinians accept. They have no legitimacy and no leverage. They lost way back when they voted for a Hamasnik and the leaders of the nations that had been backing them as a proxy started thinking about what a Hamas state would mean for them personally and it slowly dawned on them that this was far worse than Israel. That's why Trump's peace plan ignored them. Normalize relations between Israel and the Arab actual states and nobody cares what the Palestinians think.
As much as I hate Hamas, shouldn't Palestinians be allowed to vote for whoever they want, like Israelis are?
 

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As much as I hate Hamas, shouldn't Palestinians be allowed to vote for whoever they want, like Israelis are?
Yes, and if they vote to be lead by genocidal terrorists, they may suffer the natural consequences of that, IE the nation or nations that said terrorists shed the blood of coming in and overthrowing such a government.
 

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As much as I hate Hamas, shouldn't Palestinians be allowed to vote for whoever they want, like Israelis are?
They should.Izrael is full of parties which belived not only in their right to stealing palestinian lands,but also "polish death camps" ,or some mystical nazis who probably were poles,and certainly not germans.
 

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Another Izrael hucpa.
Poland want reparation from germans,and proposed Izrael join action.Result?

"The Jerusalem Post" lied that Poland do not gave jews their property,and "Times of Izrael" lied that jews in Poland was murdered by poles,not germans.
Judah ari Gross also lied that polish police was volunteer formation who murdered jews/they were remnants of polish pre-war police,and never murdered jews without german participating in it/
And he do not wrote,that jewish getto police was volunteer formation - which mostly send jews to death without german help.

Fun thing - our eunuchs try to be friendly,Izrael kick them for their efforts,and they...try to be nice again.
Problem is - total oposition is as bad as them in that regard.
 

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It doesn't matter what the Palestinians accept. They have no legitimacy and no leverage. They lost way back when they voted for a Hamasnik and the leaders of the nations that had been backing them as a proxy started thinking about what a Hamas state would mean for them personally and it slowly dawned on them that this was far worse than Israel. That's why Trump's peace plan ignored them. Normalize relations between Israel and the Arab actual states and nobody cares what the Palestinians think.
The Abraham Accords are one of the most successful foreign policy accomplishments of the Trump administration.
 
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