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WolfBear

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What percentage of Israelis have at last some Slavic ancestry? I suspect that it's a pretty significant amount given the widespread intermarriage that occurred between Jews and non-Jews in the late Soviet Union. That, and the fact that some Subbotniks have also immigrated to Israel. Ariel Sharon had Slavic Subbotnik ancestry, for instance. So, one could indeed say that Slavs, especially Eastern Slavs, are actually closely genetically related to a sizable fraction of the Israeli population due to mass intermarriage.
 

TheRejectionist

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The events that lead to the current state of affairs mean that either side continues it's business to their final conclusion.

Will this all of ordeal have a fucking end unless A final conclusion?

Because no matter what Palestians will do, the Israelis will not fold. And vice versa.

As I observed personally, none of them has crossed a line that they can't get back to.
 

Arch Dornan

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Will this all of ordeal have a fucking end unless A final conclusion?

Because no matter what Palestians will do, the Israelis will not fold. And vice versa.

As I observed personally, none of them has crossed a line that they can't get back to.
It will be the results of an external factor. Namely their backers who give them the means to wage their fights snuff it they won't get more arms and money.
 

GoldRanger

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TBH, the map above looks very nice. If I myself was an Israeli, I'd accept it. The West Bank can always be invaded later on if it will ever cause trouble for Israel, I suppose. Similar to Gaza right now.
Yeah, at the cost of thousands of lives, if international and local politics would even allow that. Meanwhile literal ISIS recruits would be able to reach the Tel Aviv financial district with Anti-tank weapons, not to mention rockets or mortars.

"I'm sure Manhattan would be fine if we give Brooklyn to Al-Qaeda! It can always be recaptured later!"

"Can always be invaded later", imagine being this naive. Like the other side won't fortify its positions with the help of countries like Iran and North Korea to make any such invasion make Normandy look like an afternoon stroll.
 
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Arch Dornan

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Yeah, at the cost of thousands of lives, if international and local politics would even allow that. Meanwhile literal ISIS recruits would be able to reach the Tel Aviv financial district with Anti-tank weapons, not to mention rockets or mortars.

"I'm sure Manhattan would be fine if we give Brooklyn to Al-Qaeda! It can always be recaptured later!"

"Can always be invaded later", imagine being this native. Like the other side won't fortify its positions with the help of countries like Iran and North Korea to make any such invasion make Normandy look like an afternoon stroll.
People are naive and don't expect to be taken for a ride with their hand taken in friendship in one hand while unaware of the knife in the other hand just waiting for the right moment.
 

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TBH, the map above looks very nice. If I myself was an Israeli, I'd accept it. The West Bank can always be invaded later on if it will ever cause trouble for Israel, I suppose. Similar to Gaza right now.
Invasions aren't free, citizen. They are paid for with money, blood and political capital. That's a lot of paying to end up in the same spot again.
Yeah, at the cost of thousands of lives, if international and local politics would even allow that. Meanwhile literal ISIS recruits would be able to reach the Tel Aviv financial district with Anti-tank weapons, not to mention rockets or mortars.

"I'm sure Manhattan would be fine if we give Brooklyn to Al-Qaeda! It can always be recaptured later!"

"Can always be invaded later", imagine being this native. Like the other side won't fortify its positions with the help of countries like Iran and North Korea to make any such invasion make Normandy look like an afternoon stroll.
Seems like the real block here are the internal politics of West Bank and Gaza. Israel can't afford to let these go and have the potential of importing heavy weapons as a full blown sovereign state as long as they have funny governments of literal terrorist organizations very interested in using those against Israel's cities. And so far those are the only major political powers in West Bank and Gaza, to add insult to injury also using their control of budget, media and education to ensure that it stays that way.
As long as it does, i think it would be more acceptable to Israel to pawn off these places to Jordan and Egypt respectively, on the promise that they will use their own police and military to enforce laws against terrorism, border infiltration, illegal weapon manufacturing etc, than beating around the bush with any typical, fact on the ground neutral "two state solutions". But then the question is, do they even want these problem provinces?
 

Arch Dornan

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As long as it does, i think it would be more acceptable to Israel to pawn off these places to Jordan and Egypt respectively, on the promise that they will use their own police and military to enforce laws against terrorism, border infiltration, illegal weapon manufacturing etc, than beating around the bush with any typical, fact on the ground neutral "two state solutions". But then the question is, do they even want these problem provinces?
Are they ok with more Black Septembers?
 

TheRejectionist

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Yeah, at the cost of thousands of lives, if international and local politics would even allow that. Meanwhile literal ISIS recruits would be able to reach the Tel Aviv financial district with Anti-tank weapons, not to mention rockets or mortars.

"I'm sure Manhattan would be fine if we give Brooklyn to Al-Qaeda! It can always be recaptured later!"

"Can always be invaded later", imagine being this naive. Like the other side won't fortify its positions with the help of countries like Iran and North Korea to make any such invasion make Normandy look like an afternoon stroll.

ISIS hasn't been a threat since the Russian intervention. A threat probably helped by the fact that Israel and US helped the SDF and moderate rebels, whom many joined ISIS.

The only time Daesh attacked Israel was vaporized.

So no threat whatsoever.

And...

Hasn't Israel already a fortified country already?

Gaza and West Bank are sealed off by walls as far as I remember once I saw them, the mentality is a siege one.

Not to mention your only worry is Hezbollah in South of Lebannon, who can't even get make a dent into your defenses.

Syria will take forever to rebuild. Egypt and Jordan are pro-US which means you have not a thing to worry about of this eventuality.

Or any others.
 

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Are they ok with more Black Septembers?
Which is why they would need to crack down hard on the local fun people.
Gaza and West Bank are sealed off by walls as far as I remember once I saw them, the mentality is a siege one.

Not to mention your only worry is Hezbollah in South of Lebannon, who can't even get make a dent into your defenses.
No, Israel doesn't have theater shield generators, and the wall unfortunately doesn't stop rockets. Iron Dome does, at the low, low price of 80k USD per 1000 USD rocket.
 

Arch Dornan

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Which is why they would need to crack down hard on the local fun people.
Black September was an interesting time. I can't think of any other country where they host people to commit terrorism from they decided to shit on their bed and then take over their country.
Hasn't Israel already a fortified country already?

Gaza and West Bank are sealed off by walls as far as I remember once I saw them, the mentality is a siege one.

Not to mention your only worry is Hezbollah in South of Lebannon, who can't even get make a dent into your defenses.

Syria will take forever to rebuild. Egypt and Jordan are pro-US which means you have not a thing to worry about of this eventuality.

Or any others.
As long as they have backers like Iran to provide the means to wage their struggle for what they feel is theirs they will continue their fight.
 

TheRejectionist

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This is from May this year.

Besides, I'm sure all the dead Israelis would be very happy that they were killed by Hamas rather than ISIS.

First attack against since 1999 (the group's founding year). Not to mention that you guys are more than capable to handle them.


Unless they reach or go beyond the 2015 attack, Daesh is no longer-relevant unless when it is an useful excuse for the powers to be. A nuisance that fucked off into the Sahel.

Not to mention but is likely a boomerang effect of this :


 

GoldRanger

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First attack against since 1999 (the group's founding year). Not to mention that you guys are more than capable to handle them.


Unless they reach or go beyond the 2015 attack, Daesh is no longer-relevant unless when it is an useful excuse for the powers to be. A nuisance that fucked off into the Sahel.

Not to mention but is likely a boomerang effect of this :


You're clinging to the ISIS example. Hamas is not any better than ISIS, even worse in some respects (there aren't millions of pro-ISIS fans in the west, for example).

There are more than enough militants with AT weapons, mortars and rockets, it matters very little who they're affiliated with.
 

WolfBear

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As long as it does, i think it would be more acceptable to Israel to pawn off these places to Jordan and Egypt respectively, on the promise that they will use their own police and military to enforce laws against terrorism, border infiltration, illegal weapon manufacturing etc, than beating around the bush with any typical, fact on the ground neutral "two state solutions". But then the question is, do they even want these problem provinces?

I personally would not object to this solution, to be honest. It would also help Palestinians themselves since they would get extra living space by being allowed to settle in other parts of Jordan and Egypt. And Egypt would also get some of the finest coastline on earth.
 

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@GoldRanger What are your thoughts on people who marry Israeli citizens exclusively or almost exclusively due to the opportunity that this would give them to immigrate to Israel? My own maternal uncle might very well qualify for this since he married a rather dull half-Jewish (on her father's side) woman and then moved to Israel with her shortly afterwards. They had a son together and then divorced several years later. Their move to Israel was over 20 years ago, for what it's worth.

Personally, I don't see any problem with such marriages, whether for Israel or for any other country, just so long as the newcomers are indeed willing to successfully assimilate.
 

GoldRanger

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@GoldRanger What are your thoughts on people who marry Israeli citizens exclusively or almost exclusively due to the opportunity that this would give them to immigrate to Israel? My own maternal uncle might very well qualify for this since he married a rather dull half-Jewish (on her father's side) woman and then moved to Israel with her shortly afterwards. They had a son together and then divorced several years later. Their move to Israel was over 20 years ago, for what it's worth.

Personally, I don't see any problem with such marriages, whether for Israel or for any other country, just so long as the newcomers are indeed willing to successfully assimilate.
I think that you are obsessed with cheating the law of return to push people into Israel that Israelis wouldn't want, and it's sad. Now stop with these silly questions please.
 

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