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Israel State of Israel Thread

Making Israel GREAT AGAIN!

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Good afternoon Sietch family. Looks like the Netanyahu era after 12 years has ended. However, he said he plans on coming back to the Prime Ministership down the road.


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I am genuinely suprised to see him out of office @GoldRanger can you give us a brief rundown of the situation?
Netanyahu has managed to piss off too many former allies on the right.

1. Recently, Israel has been stuck in a political loop, unable to form a coalition and forced to go to elections again and again (without getting into long explanations for the Americans who aren't familiar with how parliamentary democracy works, it's a bit like having a tie between the left and the right, except not exactly)

2. The new prime minister, Bennet, used to be a minister under Netantahu's administration, twice, in fact. He was also, IIRC, Netanyahu's aide or something like that at the start of his political career. He's also the founder (or one of the founders) of a successful start-up software company that made him a millionaire after he sold it.

3. The guy who actually successfully formed the new coalition is Yair Lapid, a former news anchor and the head of the largest Centrist party, who got the second largest number of votes in the last elections, after Netanyahu. He actually has what is called a "rotation agreement" with Bennet, meaning after 2 years he becomes the prime minister and Bennet steps down.

4. Bennet's party is hardline right, possibly more so than Netanyahu. But it got only 6/120 seats in the last elections, literally 5% of the vote, and he got the premiership only by political shenanigans (basically holding the other parties hostage unless he got what he wanted). His voter base is currently pissed at him because he promised before the election not to sit in a government with Lapid (whom Bennet's voter base consider a dangerous unproven amateur with no real achievements in his political career, too anti-religion and too left in general), even signing a document to this effect on live broadcast. They broadly call him a liar and a thief who stole their votes and gave them to the left. Seems like, if there was another election, Bennet would find it hard to survive it.

5. The new coalition includes far-left parties that are openly pro-Palestinian, and even one Arab party with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood! The right still dominates the leadership positions, but the others can paralyze and disband the government at any time, so they hold a considerable power.

6. Other right wing politicians that Netanyahu pissed off and have entered the coalition against him are Lieberman (served as minister under Netantahu's administration, leads a secular right-wing party, voter base is mostly Russian immigrants. Considered very corrupt), and Gideon Saar (was recently in Netanyahu's party and was considered for a long time his main rival from within, now leading his own newly formed moderate right party with most members "stolen" from Netanyahu's).

Tl;dr: the new government is an unwieldy left-right-Arab chimera stitched together artificially, with only hatred for Netanyahu pulling them together. How they'll function in practice when contentious issues rear their heads remains to be seen.
 

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So who is the new Israeli prime minister?

EDIT: In the west he is probably known mostly for the huge controversy surrounding his party, after an election ad a few years ago depicted his main partner, Ayelet Shaked (she's also a minister in the new government), spraying perfume over herself with the writing "fascism" on it.


Note: As a justice minister under Netanyahu she worked (mostly unsuccessfully) to restrict the authority of the (largely left-wing) Israeli Supreme Justice court. The ad is supposed to mock the left-wing calling her fascist for wanting to "tamper" with the judicial branch. At the end of the ad she says: "it smells like democracy to me".
 
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Netanyahu has managed to piss off too many former allies on the right.

1. Recently, Israel has been stuck in a political loop, unable to form a coalition and forced to go to elections again and again (without getting into long explanations for the Americans who aren't familiar with how parliamentary democracy works, it's a bit like having a tie between the left and the right, except not exactly)

2. The new prime minister, Bennet, used to be a minister under Netantahu's administration, twice, in fact. He was also, IIRC, Netanyahu's aide or something like that at the start of his political career. He's also the founder (or one of the founders) of a successful start-up software company that made him a millionaire after he sold it.

3. The guy who actually successfully formed the new coalition is Yair Lapid, a former news anchor and the head of the largest Centrist party, who got the second largest number of votes in the last elections, after Netanyahu. He actually has what is called a "rotation agreement" with Bennet, meaning after 2 years he becomes the prime minister and Bennet steps down.

4. Bennet's party is hardline right, possibly more so than Netanyahu. But it got only 6/120 seats in the last elections, literally 5% of the vote, and he got the premiership only by political shenanigans (basically holding the other parties hostage unless he got what he wanted). His voter base is currently pissed at him because he promised before the election not to sit in a government with Lapid (whom Bennet's voter base consider a dangerous unproven amateur with no real achievements in his political career, too anti-religion and too left in general), even signing a document to this effect on live broadcast. They broadly call him a liar and a thief who stole their votes and gave them to the left. Seems like, if there was another election, Bennet would find it hard to survive it.

5. The new coalition includes far-left parties that are openly pro-Palestinian, and even one Arab party with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood! The right still dominates the leadership positions, but the others can paralyze and disband the government at any time, so they hold a considerable power.

6. Other right wing politicians that Netanyahu pissed off and have entered the coalition against him are Lieberman (served as minister under Netantahu's administration, leads a secular right-wing party, voter base is mostly Russian immigrants. Considered very corrupt), and Gideon Saar (was recently in Netanyahu's party and was considered for a long time his main rival from within, now leading his own newly formed moderate right party with most members "stolen" from Netanyahu's).

Tl;dr: the new government is an unwieldy left-right-Arab chimera stitched together artificially, with only hatred for Netanyahu pulling them together. How they'll function in practice when contentious issues rear their heads remains to be seen.
Sounds like Israel is going to be screwed for the foreseeable future. Although I have to ask; why would anyone in Israel be pro-Palestinian? They do realize those guys want them all dead, don't they?
 

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Sounds like Israel is going to be screwed for the foreseeable future. Although I have to ask; why would anyone in Israel be pro-Palestinian? They do realize those guys want them all dead, don't they?
Why would anyone in America be anti-American? Progressivism, and globalism, and "being on the right side of history" and buying into the enemy's narrative.

Edit: For example, Israel's new minister of transport is an extreme feminist, unmarried in her 50's, who pushed for a kind of a pronoun revolution in the Hebrew language and used to talk about the patriarchy and such.
 
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Sounds like Israel is going to be screwed for the foreseeable future. Although I have to ask; why would anyone in Israel be pro-Palestinian? They do realize those guys want them all dead, don't they?
I would assume the Arabs in Israel would be pro Palestinian, they are a significant minority aren't they?
 

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Only if they're idiots.

They are so much better off in Israel, it's just not funny.
They're... a bit schizophrenic on that. They talk big about helping their brothers in the "occupied territories", of an end to Zionism and a one state solution... but according to polls they repeatedly and consistently deny the option that they'll be stripped of Israeli citizenship and granted Palestinian citizenship instead as part of any peace agreement.
 

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Only if they're idiots.

They are so much better off in Israel, it's just not funny.
Lol, compared to Palestine yes. But only an idiot thinks that Israel is a great place to live because the majority of the population is some kind of ubermench. Many of Israel's neighbors are not bad places to live in, and Palestine sucks because they are at war and getting bombed by Israel. If Palestinians were in charge of Israel's territory it would have a similar level of prosperity maybe a little less, because the US won't give them free cash, but if they care about their people instead of sucking off for gibs it makes sense for them to be pro Palestine.
 

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Listen, I'll be honest I did not read the whole article just the top part. But while Israel did shell a UN compoud with refugees, there was an artillery attack in the vicinity of the compoud. Now the UN has peacekeepers who are suppose to make sure armed forces from BOTH sides stay away so that civillians are able to run to that area and be safe. So unless you can show where in that article Israel knowingly attacked then, Israel did not do anything. and it was the UN's fault for not having adequate protection.
 

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If Palestinians were in charge of Israel's territory it would have a similar level of prosperity maybe a little less, because the US won't give them free cash, but if they care about their people instead of sucking off for gibs it makes sense for them to be pro Palestine.
I'm curious about what has led you to this belief.
 

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I'm curious about what has led you to this belief.
Well we can look at Jordan, it's a relatively prosperous middle eastern nation, not on the level of the Gulf states, but it currently isn't in a civil war like Syria, it's king seems to be competent. So what makes you think a Palestinian state would end up turning into shit? Aren't Palestinians related to Jordinians?
 

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Well we can look at Jordan, it's a relatively prosperous middle eastern nation, not on the level of the Gulf states, but it currently isn't in a civil war like Syria, it's king seems to be competent. So what makes you think a Palestinian state would end up turning into shit? Aren't Palestinians related to Jordinians?
Jordan is held together by a shoestring thanks to the tenuous rule of the monarchical dictatorship there. You might want to find a better example.... If there is one to be found.

I would not be surprised at all to see a coup in Jordan in the next decade.
 
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