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Husky_Khan

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Bear Ribs said:
So, looks like another Star Wars is in the pipe, this time directed by Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy who gave us Ms. Marvel, and written by Damon Lindelof, the guy who produced the ending to Lost and Star Trek: Into Darkness.

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Secret ‘Star Wars’ Film From Damon Lindelof And Lucasfilm Sets ‘Ms Marvel’s Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy As Director

Lindelof is developing project
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Ms. Marvel was alright... as a teen comedy... Is this new movie going to be a live action Rebels or some shit? An diverse blend of ethnic younglings (no aliens) going on wacky adventures outsmarting those hapless Stormtroopers and teaming up to defeat mean ol' Carnor Jax and his dastardly ol' gang of Imperial Assassins or someshit.
 
The Whispering Monk

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Husky_Khan said:
Ms. Marvel was alright... as a teen comedy... Is this new movie going to be a live action Rebels or some shit? An diverse blend of ethnic younglings (no aliens) going on wacky adventures outsmarting those hapless Stormtroopers and teaming up to defeat mean ol' Carnor Jax and his dastardly ol' gang of Imperial Assassins or someshit.
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I'm pretty sure we're about to see something akin to the Star Wars Christmas Special in movie format...

 
Lord Sovereign

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This lot do not seem to understand that the glory of Star Wars has been utterly squandered now. Bad decision after bad decision has run the franchise into the ground, and it is all their fault.

Now, I believe in due time Star Wars will linger on and, after finding its way into the hands of people who care, will be a solid franchise again. But will it ever regain its former glory? I doubt it.
 
KilroywasNOTHere

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Lord Sovereign said:
This lot do not seem to understand that the glory of Star Wars has been utterly squandered now. Bad decision after bad decision has run the franchise into the ground, and it is all their fault.

Now, I believe in due time Star Wars will linger on and, after finding its way into the hands of people who care, will be a solid franchise again. But will it ever regain its former glory? I doubt it.
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sigh, we live in the worst Star Wars timeline.
 
KilroywasNOTHere

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ShadowArxxy said:
Ehh, we could live in the 1983-1991 drought years where there was *no* new Star Wars content at all.
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while I see your point I argue at least then Star Wars would have stayed an international phenomenon. except for some of the rare few hardcore fans trying to keep star wars alive for themselves, the public at large is now apathetic towards the franchise because Disney ran it into the ground THAT BADLY. Disney made the world apathetic to FREAKING STAR WARS!!!! That's a feat that's incredibly hard to unintentionally accomplish. This means we are in a timeline where Disney was either purposely trying to kill it or they were just that grossly incompetent.
 
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Captain X

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You could say that about every other thing that's been taken over by this ideology, really. Comics was where I first really noticed it, and considering how much hatred certain people had for comics, I had to wonder and still do wonder if the destruction of these beloved franchises has been intentional. A kind of slash and burn, policy, if you will. Which is also why there has been such a push to take over importers/localizers as well lately.
 
Lord Sovereign

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Captain X said:
You could say that about every other thing that's been taken over by this ideology, really. Comics was where I first really noticed it, and considering how much hatred certain people had for comics, I had to wonder and still do wonder if the destruction of these beloved franchises has been intentional. A kind of slash and burn, policy, if you will. Which is also why there has been such a push to take over importers/localizers as well lately.
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I think some of them might well have seen it as torch and burn to push their ideology.

The vast majority however are so dosed up to the gills in wokery that they think their ideology will improve the franchise.

Never forget, for all the genuinely cunning among them, 99% of these people are some of the biggest galaxy brains in human history.
 
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Let me politely remind people to not get too much rose-colored glasses in regards to pre-Disney Star Wars content by reminding them of 1) The Holiday Special, 2) The Glove of Darth Vader, 3) I, Jedi.
 
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For that matter, Splinter of the Mind’s Eye isn’t bad, but the contradictions between it and later canon are utterly jarring, and dropping the Luke-Leia-Han love triangle for a straightforward Luke and Leia relationship is totally EWWWWWW in light of later canon . . .

…especially since SOTM was never actually decanonized.
 
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KilroywasNOTHere said:
What was so bad about the glove of Darth Vader?
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"I bid you Dark Greetings."

Pretty much everything is stupendously badly written, and it also ends up so incompatible with most EU stuff that the out of character tech books had to introduce weak-ass retcons for it -- the New Essential Chronology handwaved that the "Central Committee of Grand Moffs" was merely one of the many Imperial splinter factions of the warlord period (versus its presentation in the story as a short-lived but relatively authoritative Imperial administration), and the Dark Side Sourcebook introduced the even more bizarre one that the Prophets of the Dark Side were a real Sith organization, but that the Prophets seen in the Glove of Darth Vader series weren't actually them, but mere Imperial agents pretending to be them on behalf of Palpatine's "Church of the Dark Side".

And then you have the double-meta-retcon where one of the official Star Wars writing team stated in an unofficial interview with Polyhedron magazine that the Glove of Darth Vader series had been rationalized in canon as in character kiddie stories told to Leia's children based on events that did actually happen.
 
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Skallagrim

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KilroywasNOTHere said:
What was so bad about the glove of Darth Vader?
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It's a hilariously bad children's book. A father-and-son duo wrote a series, of which this was first, based around a Gary Stu protagonist kid character, and with a ham-fisted environmentalist message.

Note that these books were ignored by all other authors, and were basically considered non-canonical. It's telling that detractors of the old EU consistently have to point to this kind of stuff (the other big example is the Holiday Special) to "prove" that the EU was bad, ACKSHUWALLY.

The argument is basically: "in a vast sprawling expanded universe, with literally thousands of different contributors, whose canon was explicitly tiered, there are a few low-tier works -- that are like >95% non-canonical -- that are really terribly bad... and therefore the old EU was bad!"

This is a Buzzfeed-level take, written down in clickbait articles for people with a room temperature IQ.
 
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Skallagrim said:
It's a hilariously bad children's book. A father-and-son duo wrote a series, of which this was first, based around a Gary Stu protagonist kid character, and with a ham-fisted environmentalist message.

Note that these books were ignored by all other authors, and were basically considered non-canonical. It's telling that detractors of the old EU consistently have to point to this kind of stuff (the other big example is the Holiday Special) to "prove" that the EU was bad, ACKSHUWALLY.

The argument is basically: "in a vast sprawling expanded universe, with literally thousands of different contributors, whose canon was explicitly tiered, there are a few low-tier works -- that are like >95% non-canonical -- that are really terribly bad... and therefore the old EU was bad!"

This is a Buzzfeed-level take, written down in clickbait articles for people with a room temperature IQ.
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The only reason why the Disney era isn't quite as bad as the worst of the EU yet is....*sees the Obi-Wan show* never mind they did fall to that level.

The only good thing about the Obi-wan show was that last Obi-Wan vs Vader fight.
 
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Skallagrim said:
Note that these books were ignored by all other authors, and were basically considered non-canonical.
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As I provided direct citations for, the Glove of Darth Vader series wasn't considered non-canonical; later works went to substantial trouble to retcon the most awkward elements while still acknowledging that it was an official, canonical work. The most dramatic meta-retcon of it was the whole "bedtime story" thing, but that wasn't official.

The Mary Sue-ness of the "Jedi Prince Ken" wasn't *that* bad per se when you consider that at the time, it was generally taken as axiomatic that young children's books needed a central viewpoint character that the reader could relate to. It was the overall bad writing that made the series so despised . . . like I said, "I bid you DARK GREETINGS!"
 
KilroywasNOTHere

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ShadowArxxy said:
As I provided direct citations for, the Glove of Darth Vader series wasn't considered non-canonical; later works went to substantial trouble to retcon the most awkward elements while still acknowledging that it was an official, canonical work. The most dramatic meta-retcon of it was the whole "bedtime story" thing, but that wasn't official.

The Mary Sue-ness of the "Jedi Prince Ken" wasn't *that* bad per se when you consider that at the time, it was generally taken as axiomatic that young children's books needed a central viewpoint character that the reader could relate to. It was the overall bad writing that made the series so despised . . . like I said, "I bid you DARK GREETINGS!"
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I bid you dark greetings? Did someone confuse The term sith with demon worshiper.
 
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