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[BlackDragon98]

Ah, so the Mandos I love, which are wanked beyond beilif

Ok, now in fairness that's also power wanking, just for Mandos instead of Vader.

It's been established in EU that Mandos can fight and defeat Jedi on a equal playing field.
Mandalorian Wars?
Neo-Crusaders?
Mando mercs employed by the Sith Empire during their war against the Republic (SWTOR)?
Jango is just a descendant of these Jedi killing mercs. It's in his blood.

 

[Zachowon]

It's been established in EU that Mandos can fight and defeat Jedi on a equal playing field.
Mandalorian Wars?
Neo-Crusaders?
Mando mercs employed by the Sith Empire during their war against the Republic (SWTOR)?
Jango is just a descendant of these Jedi killing mercs. It's in his blood.

I should also point out, Revan. Who helped show that with Jedi leading an Army, generally kick Mando ass....

 

[Battlegrinder]

The films don't show otherwise...|
*coughrougeonecough*

He fights like 6 already panicked guys, in a tight space where they can't flee or flank him, armed with handguns. That's a very different thing than fighting hundreds of guys who are calm and collected, in the open, armed with heavy weapons and tanks.

Oh, and I forget that before that, he wiped out an entire veteran fighter squadron by himself, whereas legends Anakin once tied with one enemy ace pilot. 12 to 1 odds are suicide in a dogfight, no matter how good you are.

It's been established in EU that Mandos can fight and defeat Jedi on a equal playing field.
Mandalorian Wars?
Neo-Crusaders?
Mando mercs employed by the Sith Empire during their war against the Republic (SWTOR)?
Jango is just a descendant of these Jedi killing mercs. It's in his blood.

I've played KOTOR, and it was not established that Mandalorians and Jedi were evenly matched in a straight fight, let alone that killing 5 people with your bare hands in one fight was a remotely plausible thing (Particularly not for Jango, who's plan when being charged by Mace Windu was "stand still and ineffectually shoot at him").

 

[ShadowArxxy]

With his jetpack disabled, Jango didn't have a viable escape option against a Jedi charging at him with supernatural speed and reflexes. What did you think he should do, circle strafe like an FPS character? He pretty much knew he was dead, but went down fighting.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Not worthy of its own thread in gaming yet I feel so I'll post it here:

Ubisoft and Lucasfilm Games Announce New Story-Driven Star Wars Game

Massive Entertainment to lead development of a new story-driven, open-world Star Wars adventure.

news.ubisoft.com

Looks like Ubisoft, Massive Entertainment and Star Wars are teaming up to make a new "story driven, open world" Star Wars game. It'll use the Snowdrop Engine.

 

[Zachowon]

Not worthy of its own thread in gaming yet I feel so I'll post it here:

Ubisoft and Lucasfilm Games Announce New Story-Driven Star Wars Game

Massive Entertainment to lead development of a new story-driven, open-world Star Wars adventure.

news.ubisoft.com

Looks like Ubisoft, Massive Entertainment and Star Wars are teaming up to make a new "story driven, open world" Star Wars game. It'll use the Snowdrop Engine.

They did some good work on The Division so this should be good. Seems like they are working on two projects at the same time currently though

 

[BlackDragon98]

I should also point out, Revan. Who helped show that with Jedi leading an Army, generally kick Mando ass....

Revan was Anakin of the Old Republic.
Light and Dark in equal parts.

And yet the Jedi still suffer terrible casualties against the Neo-Crusaders.

 

[Zachowon]

Revan was Anakin of the Old Republic.
Light and Dark in equal parts.

And yet the Jedi still suffer terrible casualties against the Neo-Crusaders.

Did they really? I dont remember large swaths dying.

 

[BlackDragon98]

He fights like 6 already panicked guys, in a tight space where they can't flee or flank him, armed with handguns. That's a very different thing than fighting hundreds of guys who are calm and collected, in the open, armed with heavy weapons and tanks.

Oh, and I forget that before that, he wiped out an entire veteran fighter squadron by himself, whereas legends Anakin once tied with one enemy ace pilot. 12 to 1 odds are suicide in a dogfight, no matter how good you are.

Tofen was also Force-sensitive.
He and Anakin were equally matched.
The squadron Vader wiped out were just regulars, no Force, no nothing.

 

[Battlegrinder]

What did you think he should do,

"Slay him in hand to hand combat with awesome mando fu skills" is apparently on the table.

Tofen was also Force-sensitive.
He and Anakin were equally matched.
The squadron Vader wiped out were just regulars, no Force, no nothing.

Force sensitive doesn't mean "unstoppable", as episode 1 established without training it just translated to fast reaction time, vs Anakin being outright precognative.

Also, the entire squadron that Vader shot down included Luke.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Did they really? I dont remember large swaths dying.

That's pretty much fanon. The Mandalorian Neo-Crusader invasion in KOTOR inflicted terrible casualties on the *Republic*, but they never actually won *any* significant victories against the Jedi -- it's just that the Jedi refused to help the Republic at all, until Revan's breakaway faction defied the Council and did so. Needless to say, Revan's faction was absolutely successful, defeating the Neo-Crusaders at every turn.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Force sensitive doesn't mean "unstoppable", as episode 1 established without training it just translated to fast reaction time, vs Anakin being outright precognative.

You've got that completely backwards -- Episode 1 explicitly stated that Anakin's reflexes were outright precognitive and not merely fast.

Also, the entire squadron that Vader shot down included Luke.

No. Vader single-handedly shot down two entire squadrons back-to-back, tearing the overconfident and unprepared first squadron apart with superior dogfighting skills and then using Force telekinesis to no-sell the second squadron's panicked attempt to overwhelm him with a massed missile launch. Luke then attacked him solo, telling the rest of Red Squadron to hold back, and suicide rammed him.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Did they really? I dont remember large swaths dying.

That's pretty much fanon. The Mandalorian Neo-Crusader invasion in KOTOR inflicted terrible casualties on the *Republic*, but they never actually won *any* significant victories against the Jedi -- it's just that the Jedi refused to help the Republic at all, until Revan's breakaway faction defied the Council and did so. Needless to say, Revan's faction was absolutely successful, defeating the Neo-Crusaders at every turn.

I remember over a dozen captured Jedi, from one single mission.
The Jedi took heavy losses during Revan's crusade.
The numbers aren't highlighted.

"We were just going to look around, but it's like they knew we were coming."
Says the one who can sense sentient beings.

 

[Battlegrinder]

You've got that completely backwards -- Episode 1 explicitly stated that Anakin's reflexes were outright precognitive and not merely fast.

Technically, but in practice the difference between the two was not noticeable. Everyone just thought anakin just fast, no one was like "wow, this kid has insanely fast reactions, how is it possible?"

No. Vader single-handedly shot down two entire squadrons back-to-back, tearing the first squadron apart with superior dogfighting skills and then using Force telekinesis to no-sell the second squadron's attempt to overwhelm him with a massed missile launch. Luke then attacked him solo, telling the rest of Red Squadron to hold back, and suicide rammed him.

Ok, so he's even more outrageously OP and demonstrated yet more powers that Jedi manifestly do not have, given that there were two fairly long sequences in the prequels that clearly established Jedi cannot no-sell ship to ship missiles, and one of those Jedi that couldn't no sell missiles was him.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Ok, so he's even more outrageously OP and demonstrated yet more powers that Jedi manifestly do not have, given that there were two fairly long sequences in the prequels that clearly established Jedi cannot no-sell ship to ship missiles, and one of those Jedi that couldn't no sell missiles was him.

Disney changed it so that Force users can apparently stop blaster bolts in mid air.
Unfortunately for them. . .
Slugthrower minigun go BRRRRRRR!

 

[Zachowon]

Technically, but in practice the difference between the two was not noticeable. Everyone just thought anakin just fast, no one was like "wow, this kid has insanely fast reactions, how is it possible?"




Ok, so he's even more outrageously OP and demonstrated yet more powers that Jedi manifestly do not have, given that there were two fairly long sequences in the prequels that clearly established Jedi cannot no-sell ship to ship missiles, and one of those Jedi that couldn't no sell missiles was him.

What in the preuals have them saying they cant do such a thing?

I remember over a dozen captured Jedi, from one single mission.
The Jedi took heavy losses during Revan's crusade.
The numbers aren't highlighted.

"We were just going to look around, but it's like they knew we were coming."
Says the one who can sense sentient beings.

They were not expecting anything, and were most likely not paying attention to their sense. I mean, they also most likely were so badly out numbered it would not matter how skilled they were

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

am I the only one here that liked the force unleased?

 

[Zachowon]

am I the only one here that liked the force unleased?

No, I liked it, I just liked FO more

 

[Battlegrinder]

What in the preuals have them saying they cant do such a thing?

The multiple times when people shot missiles at Jedi starfighters, including anakin's, and the pilots didn't just telekinetically no sell them.

 

[Zachowon]

The multiple times when people shot missiles at Jedi starfighters, including anakin's, and the pilots didn't just telekinetically no sell them.

That doesnt say they cant...and we onlyhave missiles shot at them once during Episode 3