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[BlackDragon98]

The Mortis gods were just an incredibly dumb idea in general, and ought to have been cut.

Mortis gods are useful, but only as a background story.

Agreed. But then, I think that about 90% of TCW. Should have stuck with the original idea and just had Ashoka being the padawan of another Jedi Master and doing their one thing during the Clone Wars.

Thanks a lot Lucas

I'm still pissed about them destroying all the lore about Mandalore in favor of these "New Mandalorian" soyboys and weaklings.

I disagree about most of The Clone Wars. They contradict Legends & there shouldn't have been an attempt to incorporate them into it, but they're mostly fine and don't really have any huge issues that weren't already endemic to the PT and Legends. I'd say they arguably do a better job than the PT at a lot of it's stuff, although they admittedly had a bit of a rough start.
The Mortis gods were exceptionally awful worldbuilding.

Clone Wars was literally a kids show that simplified years worth of Legends comics into something kids could understand and like.
In essence, a cash cow. And a successful one it was.

To which I say; the Clone Wars era comics and stories already did that before TCW came along.
All TCW did was make Anakin bland, Obi-Wan nearly constantly sarcastic, Grevious into a complete failure and Dooku into a cardboard cut out.

All in bold are true. TCW had very few clone commandos besides Gregor and that one scene with Delta squad, more or less peanuts to placate the crowd. Quinlan Vos, meme supreme was also cut down to almost nothing.
Dathomir was simplified to just the Nightsisters when there were many other clans, with the Nightsisters just an extremist group.
And many other bad things.

For that reason, i regard the Legends comics as canon and TCW to be Filoni's shitty cash cow fanfic.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Mind you if nothing else the TCW did do one thing very well it did a excellent job humanizing the clones. Which makes it all the more tragic that they're effectively brainwashed and indoctrinated solider slaves for the Republic.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Mind you if nothing else the TCW did do one thing very well it did a excellent job humanizing the clones. Which makes it all the more tragic that they're effectively brainwashed and indoctrinated solider slaves for the Republic.

Indeed, and it showed the moral dissonance where many of the Jedi treated the Clones with kindness and compassion *when interacting with them individually*, but at the same time were willing to continue using them not just as slaves, but as expendable cannon fodder.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Bah! Nothing beats the original Clone Wars!







Back when being a Jedi meant being OP as f*ck, and when General Grievous actually lived up to his reputation.

 

[Bear Ribs]

And when somehow jousting was a viable battlefield tactic...

 

[DarthOne]

And when somehow jousting was a viable battlefield tactic...

Hey, rule of cool dude!

Also, from a lore perspective, I'd argue that it makes perfect sense! Remember, that the Republic hasn't had a major conflict against an equal power in centuries. There were bound to be some weird/stupid/silly ideas bouncing around early in the war because of how much military knowledge had been forgotten and how technology had marched on since then.

Plus, it neatly parallels various near-identical events in our own history. Such as calvary still being armed with lances even during the American Civil War and World War 1. Never mind the attempted calvary charges against emplaced positions during the first World War.

French Cavalry, World War 1

Imperial German Cavalry, late WW1

 

[DarthOne]

On a related note....



In which bad fanfic (SW: The Force Unleashed Dark Side ending) is unleashed upon an even worse fanfic (Disney Wars).

Me seeing OT characters get killed: NOOOOOO! NOOO!

Me seeing sequels characters get massacred: Ehehehehe. Good....goooood. Let the hate flow through you!


Also: SPOILERS

Well, Kathleen, you wanted Rey to be a Skywalker....at least she got a hand cut off like one!

The only Disney Trilogy character I felt bad for during the whole thing was Finn...but then I feel bad about how badly he got treated in the films in general so...

 

[DeltaNine]

I do hope no one has posted this yet but: The king of legends SW silly nonsense as far as I can tell. The fairwind.

That thing isn't just FTL capable. It isn't just a war ship. It isn't just made of some space wood. It was owned by a freaking Jedi. You know those guys who are basically space monk/wizard/knights? Brown robes? Own basically nothing? Ya one of those guys owned that thing was apparently proud of it as he used it to recruit more space wizards. And yes if I recall correctly that is actual gold plating on top of the wood.

 

[DarthOne]

I do hope no one has posted this yet but: The king of legends SW silly nonsense as far as I can tell. The fairwind.

That thing isn't just FTL capable. It isn't just a war ship. It isn't just made of some space wood. It was owned by a freaking Jedi. You know those guys who are basically space monk/wizard/knights? Brown robes? Own basically nothing? Ya one of those guys owned that thing was apparently proud of it as he used it to recruit more space wizards. And yes if I recall correctly that is actual gold plating on top of the wood.

Are we sure that it’s not just wood paneling?

And that’s around the Russian era if I remember right. The Darth Bane comics- back when much of the early SW history wasn’t nailed down, so I’m not surprised it got a bit odd.

Jedi back then were not quite the same as the ones most people are familiar with these days either.

 

[BlackDragon98]

I do hope no one has posted this yet but: The king of legends SW silly nonsense as far as I can tell. The fairwind.

That thing isn't just FTL capable. It isn't just a war ship. It isn't just made of some space wood. It was owned by a freaking Jedi. You know those guys who are basically space monk/wizard/knights? Brown robes? Own basically nothing? Ya one of those guys owned that thing was apparently proud of it as he used it to recruit more space wizards. And yes if I recall correctly that is actual gold plating on top of the wood.

That's because you don't know enough about Legends.
The whole ascetic monk thing only became part of Jedi culture after the Rusaan disaster.
The image in question is right before the Rusaan disaster, when the Jedi could marry, have kids, and created powerful clans. That way they could produce the next generation of Jedi themselves and train them properly.
The Zayne Carrick story is a prime example. The Draay family were all Jedis, incredibly wealthy and powerful.

This image in particular is a ship owned by a half Bothan Jedi who I forget the name of during the Rusaan disaster (Darth Bane's thought bomb).
Also, during this time tech had regressed significantly because of all the wars between the Jedi and Darth
Hyperspace lanes were forgotten, blaster tech regressed, and other bad things happened.

New Sith | Wookieepedia | Fandom

Brotherhood of Darkness | Wookieepedia | Fandom
"For nearly a thousand years, the Sith had been organized into the Sith Empire of Darth Ruin; waging a centuries-long war against the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic, nearly toppling both. Countless Sith Lords staked their claim across the galaxy, establishing territories from the Outer Rim Territories until they began to encroach on the Galactic Core. As the Republic crumbled, members of the Jedi Order deemed themselves Jedi Lords and took control of their own territories, holding back the Sith Empire's Coreward approach.[1]"

Jedi Lord | Wookieepedia | Fandom

Ruusan Reformation | Wookieepedia | Fandom

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, in SWTOR they have lives outside of being emotionless jedi

 

[ShadowArxxy]

That whole period of the EU/Legends is an extreme retcon, and I have a feeling people would be screamingly enraged if Disney had done the exact same retcon.

 

[DarthOne]

That whole period of the EU/Legends is an extreme retcon, and I have a feeling people would be screamingly enraged if Disney had done the exact same retcon.

Yes and no. I don't think there was actually a lot done in that time period prior to SWTOR. On the other hand, I am not a fan of the aesthetic and the technology being so close to those of the Prequel/OT period.

The only way I've seen to solve it that I've liked is that eventually, the peace between the Sith and the Republic breaks down, resulting in a massive total war, which results in galactic civilization being knocked back into a Dark Age of sorts. Which does fit in with the tech we see around Bane's time.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Yes and no. I don't think there was actually a lot done in that time period prior to SWTOR. On the other hand, I am not a fan of the aesthetic and the technology being so close to those of the Prequel/OT period.

The only way I've seen to solve it that I've liked is that eventually, the peace between the Sith and the Republic breaks down, resulting in a massive total war, which results in galactic civilization being knocked back into a Dark Age of sorts. Which does fit in with the tech we see around Bane's time.

It wasn't that bad.

Darth Bane back when he was just a Sith soldier, a Sergeant in the Gloom Walkers. (he's the bald guy)
Doesn't look that low tech.

 

[Battlegrinder]

I do love how with SWTOR, they matched the general look of KOTOR about as well as they could, except the republic soldiers, because the KOTOR Republic uniforms were so irredeemably awful making everyone be stormtroopers was the better choice. And how everyone in the entire universe has one of four body types, which somehow make it feel even more artificial and contrived something like TESO, where everyone in the world is roughly the sane height.

I also recall that if you were playing a force user, getting good looking outfits was effective not an option (Jedi could, but it was basically limited to "wear trooper armor, and then put a robe over it"), and most of the other classes had similar issues. Bounty hunters could either look like idiots or like bootleg mandos, all smugglers just looked like banditos, etc. Troopers were the only ones that had a decent range of outfits.

 

[BlackDragon98]

I do love how with SWTOR, they matched the general look of KOTOR about as well as they could, except the republic soldiers, because the KOTOR Republic uniforms were so irredeemably awful making everyone be stormtroopers was the better choice. And how everyone in the entire universe has one of four body types, which somehow make it feel even more artificial and contrived something like TESO, where everyone in the world is roughly the sane height.

I also recall that if you were playing a force user, getting good looking outfits was effective not an option (Jedi could, but it was basically limited to "wear trooper armor, and then put a robe over it"), and most of the other classes had similar issues. Bounty hunters could either look like idiots or like bootleg mandos, all smugglers just looked like banditos, etc. Troopers were the only ones that had a decent range of outfits.

Sith inquistor and warrior gear doesn't look cool?!?!?
I'm shocked at your fashion taste!

 

[Battlegrinder]

Sith inquistor and warrior gear doesn't look cool?!?!?
I'm shocked at your fashion taste!

Only the second and 3rd look cool, and really only the second one. The 3rd is just trooper armor and a robe.

 

[DarthOne]

It wasn't that bad.

Darth Bane back when he was just a Sith soldier, a Sergeant in the Gloom Walkers. (he's the bald guy)
Doesn't look that low tech.

'low tech' being a comparable term. As they got knocked back to a dark age, not a stone age. And had time to regain some of their old technology by Bane's time.

Sith inquistor and warrior gear doesn't look cool?!?!?
I'm shocked at your fashion taste!

See, this is what I hate about SWTOR making everything look the same. A lack of imagination. Everything looks like it's from the OT era or thereabouts. With the Sith having to be monochrome except for red. Whatever happened to the Old Sith Empire's color scheme?!

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

That's because you don't know enough about Legends.
The whole ascetic monk thing only became part of Jedi culture after the Rusaan disaster.
The image in question is right before the Rusaan disaster, when the Jedi could marry, have kids, and created powerful clans. That way they could produce the next generation of Jedi themselves and train them properly.
The Zayne Carrick story is a prime example. The Draay family were all Jedis, incredibly wealthy and powerful.

This image in particular is a ship owned by a half Bothan Jedi who I forget the name of during the Rusaan disaster (Darth Bane's thought bomb).
Also, during this time tech had regressed significantly because of all the wars between the Jedi and Darth
Hyperspace lanes were forgotten, blaster tech regressed, and other bad things happened.

New Sith | Wookieepedia | Fandom

Brotherhood of Darkness | Wookieepedia | Fandom
"For nearly a thousand years, the Sith had been organized into the Sith Empire of Darth Ruin; waging a centuries-long war against the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic, nearly toppling both. Countless Sith Lords staked their claim across the galaxy, establishing territories from the Outer Rim Territories until they began to encroach on the Galactic Core. As the Republic crumbled, members of the Jedi Order deemed themselves Jedi Lords and took control of their own territories, holding back the Sith Empire's Coreward approach.[1]"

Jedi Lord | Wookieepedia | Fandom

Ruusan Reformation | Wookieepedia | Fandom

Both the Jedi and the Sith were shadows of their former selves post Rusaan disaster palpatine's empire was a childish imitation compared to that of the old sith empire, and the Army of light made the clone army look like amatures. To get an idea of what the army of light, imagine if General Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker and Rahm Kota were TYPICAL jedi generals.

 

[Navarro]

Hehehe.