"Again"? We haven't discussed this before, so hardly "again". Nor am I motived by liberal beliefs. My motivation is that Turkey is not a friend, and not even an ally. They are a scorpion that we have pressed to our chest, and I see no reason to keep the damned creature there.
I don't care much about Finland or Sweden, but the Turkish stance is clear: they don't care about the interests of the West, or NATO. They care about Turkey, to our detriment. They'll readily -- eagerly -- sacrifice NATO's collective security to srve their own goals. Even if those are the pettiest of goals.
So what if push comes to shove? Do you think the Turks will stand with us? No. They'll betray us at the earliest convenience, and it'll be all the easier from their position within NATO. So remove them now. Cast out these fifth columnists. Know them for the enemy they really are.
I get confused since I've talked to a few people. Dislike of Turks, and Russians I can understand. But there is no reason to help nations like Sweden and Finland which are bastions of liberalism.
Now you're just spouting off like some dipshit socialist. It's not "the rich" who drive this, it's the fact that the U.S., as a whole, has an interest in making sure no single power dominates Europe and Asia, because that would pose a security threat to the U.S. Perhaps less direct today, but it's a situation that would not serve American interests. Not just those of some class of oligarchs who don't exert the kind of power you seem to think.
As to whether a country is a democracy or not? It doesn't have to be to serve American interests, and I think you're misreading my reasons for backing Taiwan over mainland China. One is a democratic country that is overall quite friendly to U.S. interests (and is the hub of all semiconductor production, without which the rest of the world would be screwed if the PRC took it over). The other is a genocidal totalitarian state bent on trying to bully the rest of the Pacific Rim countries, which is problematic for the U.S. because of longstanding ties and for a variety of reasons.
No, it's not pro socialism. I'm just not a cuck for bankers like you seem to be acting like. America jumped into world war 1 to make sure France and Britain won because we ended up giving them many loans and lend lease and other support. If they lost or collapsed economically then they could not pay us back, and the bankers in New England aka progressive capital of America would have lost a lot of wealth. But what is good for the progressive elites is not good for America. SO yes it was the rich who drove us into world war 1.
As for China, we should make our own semi conductor industry. If we can't THEN yes we should back Taiwan. But unless you are saying Americans are subhumans who rely on others there is no reason for us to not have our own chip industry.
The 1920s and 1930s say hi and would like to point out you're full of it. Also 1945-1950, when it became clear that the Soviet Union wasn't interested in peaceful coexistence with the West despite American attempts otherwise. Including a massive disarmament post war that ended up biting us in the ass when the Korean War broke out.
And notably I'm not saying "we need to be involved everywhere", I'm saying "We have interests in various parts of the world, and sticking our heads in the sand doesn't work."
What about the 20's and 30's? No seriously tell me why should an American care about Italy invading Ethiopia an African nation? Why is it just you wanting to be a neocuck?
The question isn't whether they could invade, the question is whether they could drive us into the ground economically and basically force a collapse or at least severe weakening of the U.S. economy, which would in turn lead to a massive political crisis the likes of which would make the Great Depression look like a minor hiccup.
No they wouldn't the economy of the US and the rest of the Americas are very large half the fucking world should be enough to have a large economy. We don't need Europe or Asia, or Africa.
Because as I noted above, there are complex factors that can result in threats to the U.S. that don't involve being invaded, something you really don't seem to get. So let me try to put it this way:
1) The distance from New York to London is about 3,500 miles. That's only a few hundred miles more than the distance to LA, and about a thousand miles closer than Alaska or Hawaii. So, they aren't anywhere near as "distant" as you seem to think.
2) Alaska and Hawaii, by virtue of their locations, are much more vulnerable to threats on the Pacific Rim (like China) than the Northeast, and that doesn't even take into account territories like Guam which are even closer. Unless you're saying we should cede American territory and American citizens to the enemy, we *have* to be concerned about what the Chinese will do -because they have a much stronger focus on fighting and defeating us than we have in fighting them (take the propaganda films about fighting in Korea or leveling Guam as two examples).
3) If you can't figure out why it's not in our interests to be pushed around by genocidal dictatorships who despise America and would love nothing more than to see us destroyed, whether at their own hands or via internal pressures they heat up...might I suggest reading a history book on what exactly the Germans *did* to occupied Europe during World War II? There's this thing called "The Holocaust" for one.
1. Europe and America are seperate continents divided by a ocean. It would take a highly advanced navy to even ignoring fighting another navy. But to actually supply an invasion like that accross the ocean. The only nation that could do something like that would be America ironically.
2. Alaska is closer to Russia than China. As for Hawaii again it is FAR away like in world war 2 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor with a sneak attack they were at the end of their logistic trail they could not have gone farther and attacked the mainland even if we invited them lol.
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Tell me why I should give a fuck about "DA HALL OF COST!" No seriously why should an American care about the holocaust Germany genociding jews, more than other genocides like the Armenians being killed by the Turks? Obviously it's bad, but it would not affect an American.
Since he buys Russian SAM he won't get
Then Sweden and Finland won't get in. Like I don't think we should give the Turks advanced weapons. But we need to recognize that the Turks are more useful than the Finland or Sweden and their progressive people would be. And we can't get everything we want, I'm ok with not bringing in the Nordic people just to piss off Russia.
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