SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

[Abhorsen]

It is an official medical term...

Which doesn't matter at all. All that matters legally is the legal term. As long as the law defines abortion as a medical procedure (which it almost always does, as it bans doctors from doing it), then we don't care what the medical term is.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

It is an official medical term...

The ONLY use I've seen for 'natural abortion' is the use of natural herbs and herbal concoctions to induce a miscarriage. So...the intended killing of a baby. Yup, still just abortion. Try again.

 

[Agent23]

The ONLY use I've seen for 'natural abortion' is the use of natural herbs and herbal concoctions to induce a miscarriage. So...the intended killing of a baby. Yup, still just abortion. Try again.

Ok, I mistranslated what I am thinking of, sue me.
There are naturally, as opposed to artificially-induced abortions.That is a spontaneous abortion.Face it, lots of fetuses don't survive for purely natural reasons.

 

[Rocinante]

Ok, I mistranslated what I am thinking of, sue me.
There are naturally, as opposed to artificially-induced abortions.That is a spontaneous abortion.Face it, lots of fetuses don't survive for purely natural reasons.

The proper translation if you're talking to English speaking people, is just "miscarriage." If you use anything else, you're just going to confuse people, as seen here.

I've never seen anyone call a miscarriage a "spontaneous abortion." Ever. We say miscarriage. Even the doctors say miscarriage.

 

[WolfBear]

It very much does mean that.

Fox News Poll: Just over half favor banning abortions after 15 weeks

When asked how they would feel if such a law were passed in their state, just over half of voters favor it (54 percent) while 41 percent are opposed.

www.foxnews.com

Mississippi has a 54% support for it's 15 week ban as an example.

It's essentially the gun control argument. When asked "do you support gun control" you get a lot of "yes" votes but when you get into specifics it's for things that already exist, and even of those a lot of them get nos.

I've actually had this one pro-lifer tell me on Facebook a couple of years or more ago that the US's abortion situation post-Roe was actually relatively extreme by Western standards with the exception of Canada and that a lot of European countries ban most elective abortions around the 12 week mark. They speculated that if Roe was ever overturned, then the US's abortion situation would end up looking more like that of these European countries.

 

[Ixian]

Stop smoking weed before you post.

As you put it earlier, that isn't a counter-argument.

If you could tell me where the origin of the term "spontaneous abortion" comes from and show it wasn't created for political purposes to muddy the water around abortion I'm more than happy to concede the point.

 

[Agent23]

The proper translation if you're talking to English speaking people, is just "miscarriage." If you use anything else, you're just going to confuse people, as seen here.

I've never seen anyone call a miscarriage a "spontaneous abortion." Ever. We say miscarriage. Even the doctors say miscarriage.

Sigh. Fine!
I have always known it as a Bulgarian version of "spontaneous abortion", I googled spontaneous abortion, and a bunch of articles describing spontaneous abortion came out.
This is what local medical professionals use.
There is an old, vulgar term, which would translate into something like "onthrow" directly, I have only heard it used by grannies and in relation to livestock and pets, by veterinaries.
It sounds about as silly as mis-carriage, which makes me think of missing horse-drawn transport, or maybe that the event was caused by horse-based transportation.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Miscarriage comes from the idea that a mother will 'carry' the baby to term and a successful birth will result. Thus mis-carriage indicates that didn't happen. The term encompasses any incident of the baby dying prior to birth that was unintentional. Whole lot of reasons why that might occur.

I forgot you speak English as a 2nd language, and I went after the language you used as if that was intentional on your part. It's an extremely common tactic on the left to shift the meaning of words so their opponents can't use them powerfully. I believed that's what you were doing. If you weren't, then you have my apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

[Stargazer]

This feels like arguing semantics and getting away from @Agent23 's point. He was talking about a death of an unborn child by natural causes before it's able to be born. English doesn't appear to be his first language, any native English speaker would use the term "miscarriage" to describe that. I think we can cut him a break for not being clear on the English. English is weird.

As I indicated earlier, I don't think it changes much. Sudden natural death can occur at any point in a human's life. That possibility doesn't detract from the intrinsic value of a human's life in general, so the possibility of miscarriage doesn't detract from the intrinsic value of a unborn child specifically.

 

[Cherico]

the left has started to attack churches and places of worship.

Thought they would wait until Roe was gone before doing that but they started the process early. Lets face facts this is just the begining how long until you see a backlash to this kind of thing?

 

[Captain X]

Looks like churches are going to need to start hiring door guards.

 

[ATP]

I am using the scientific term.I think we have some colonialism for it, too, but I prefer the technical term.

Scientific term invented by neocommies to made their crimes look good.Soviets did the same,only difference is that they usually wait till their victims was born.
Becouse leftists always was weakilings,who need to pretend that X is not human being to kill him/her.

P.S about churches - in Poland we have the same,either faitfull defended churches praing,or footbal fans beat leftists.
You,in USA,could just schoot them.
Polish police,of course,did nothing.They defend only synagogues.

 

[Agent23]

the left has started to attack churches and places of worship.

Thought they would wait until Roe was gone before doing that but they started the process early. Lets face facts this is just the begining how long until you see a backlash to this kind of thing?

Ah, yes, go harass churchgoers in a heavily democratic area, mostly made up of the migrants that vote for you and whose social liberalism you take for granted.

Now the question is if this will redpill enough blacks and latinos?

Also, does the Left watch anything besides that stupid excuse for a dystopia TV show and read anything besides Harry Potter?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Looks like churches are going to need to start hiring door guards.

Many already do.

 

[S'task]

Also, does the Left watch anything besides that stupid excuse for a dystopia TV show and read anything besides Harry Potter?

In fairness, "A Handmaid's Tale" was a novel before it was a miniseries.

So they've read at least one book other than Harry Potter!

 

[WolfBear]

Ah, yes, go harass churchgoers in a heavily democratic area, mostly made up of the migrants that vote for you and whose social liberalism you take for granted.

Now the question is if this will redpill enough blacks and latinos?

Also, does the Left watch anything besides that stupid excuse for a dystopia TV show and read anything besides Harry Potter?

Ironically, abortion bans/further abortion restrictions might accelerate the Great Replacement, which is why white nationalists have not been unequivocally in favor of them:

One Rule for Us, Another for Them

https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Protest-in-Favor-of-Roe-v-Wade-600x400.jpeg=Thousands of abortion rights protesters rallied at Foley Square in New York City on May 3, 2022, later marching to Washington Square Park, denouncing the leaked draft opinion written by Supreme Court...

www.unz.com

You need to keep in mind that the GOP is a big-tent party. It includes both white nationalists and conservative Christians. The two don't always see eye-to-eye on everything. The latter are more sympathetic to the Great Replacement than the former are, for instance, sometimes viewing it as a Christian duty to resettle refugees here in the West.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

So they've read at least one book other than Harry Potter!

I doubt that...my guess is they read the Cliff Notes or just watched someone's Youtube review.

 

[Planchar]

I've never seen anyone call a miscarriage a "spontaneous abortion." Ever. We say miscarriage. Even the doctors say miscarriage.

No,
Spontaneous abortion is definitely a medical term that is used quite comminly

 

[Stargazer]

Ironically, abortion bans/further abortion restrictions might accelerate the Great Replacement, which is why white nationalists have not been unequivocally in favor of them:

One Rule for Us, Another for Them

https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Protest-in-Favor-of-Roe-v-Wade-600x400.jpeg=Thousands of abortion rights protesters rallied at Foley Square in New York City on May 3, 2022, later marching to Washington Square Park, denouncing the leaked draft opinion written by Supreme Court...

www.unz.com

You need to keep in mind that the GOP is a big-tent party. It includes both white nationalists and conservative Christians. The two don't always see eye-to-eye on everything. The latter are more sympathetic to the Great Replacement than the former are, for instance, sometimes viewing it as a Christian duty to resettle refugees here in the West.

One point I've often seen pro-life activists bring up is actually that minorities, particularly black people, have disproportionately higher rates of abortion than the white population. And that's always framed as a bad thing. Black unborn lives matter, killing black babies is just as bad as killing white babies. So anyone who tries smearing the pro-life movement as somehow racist or white supremacist has no idea what the people in the movement actually believe and are motivated by.

As a Christian conservative, I don't really think there's room in the GOP tent for "white nationalism". American nationalism, sure. But that doesn't belong to any one skin color.

 

[WolfBear]

One point I've often seen pro-life activists bring up is actually that minoritiess, particularly black people, have disproportionately higher rates of abortion than the white population. And that's always framed as a bad thing. Black unborn lives matter, killing black babies is just as bad as killing white babies. So anyone who tries smearing the pro-life movement as somehow racist or white supremacist has no idea what the people in the movement believe and are motivated by.

As a Christian conservative, I don't really think there's room in the GOP tent for "white nationalism". American nationalism, sure. But that doesn't belong to any one skin color.

There is moderate white nationalism, as opposed to the hardcore white nationalism. Specifically talking about race realism, mentioning cases of nonwhite-on-white violence whenever they occur (and which the media typically downplays), defending free speech, including extremely unpopular political positions, et cetera. Also advocating in favor of ending racial discrimination such as Joe Biden's anti-white farm relief bill.