Anime & Manga RWBY General discussion thread.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I don't see the point in a reboot. RWBY was Monty Oum. Without Monty Oum you don't have RWBY. Just because a corporation owns a trademark called "RWBY" does not make them RWBY. Everything after season 3 wasn't RWBY, just a completely different show. The only thing it has in common is the name slapped on the box. It's pretension. If a creator is going to go through the effort of making a show then they mind as well make their own, the way they want.

 

[Terthna]

I don't see the point in a reboot. RWBY was Monty Oum. Without Monty Oum you don't have RWBY. Just because a corporation owns a trademark called "RWBY" does not make them RWBY. Everything after season 3 wasn't RWBY, just a completely different show. The only thing it has in common is the name slapped on the box. It's pretension. If a creator is going to go through the effort of making a show then they mind as well make their own, the way they want.

If someone thinks they can salvage something worthwhile from the dumpster fire that is RWBY, I say let them try. At the very least, they're unlikely to do any worse with it than the original creator; let alone those who took over after he died.

 

[Zachowon]

Again, from what we have been told by various people.
They are using a basic outline Monty provided for the series for 10 volumes

 

[Circle of Willis]

I don't see the point in a reboot. RWBY was Monty Oum. Without Monty Oum you don't have RWBY. Just because a corporation owns a trademark called "RWBY" does not make them RWBY. Everything after season 3 wasn't RWBY, just a completely different show. The only thing it has in common is the name slapped on the box. It's pretension. If a creator is going to go through the effort of making a show then they mind as well make their own, the way they want.

If someone thinks they can salvage something worthwhile from the dumpster fire that is RWBY, I say let them try. At the very least, they're unlikely to do any worse with it than the original creator; let alone those who took over after he died.

I'm pretty much where @Terthna 's at. I respect Monty's passion, work ethic and talent as an animator, but he wasn't perfect and his skill as a writer & showrunner left much to be desired - seems he knew it himself and that's why Miles Luna & Kerry Shawcross were involved at all, they basically got on board to help with the writing end and making all the cool characters & fights he had in his head gel together. (Ironically they also turned out to be even worse writers than Monty alone, but that's another subject) Monty added the Maidens in sometime between V2 and V3, came up with Neo ten days before the episode in which she was introduced aired, surprised RT and Miles/Kerry with the V2 after-credits scene featuring Raven & had to fight them to add it in (per Shane Newville's open letter), etc. He seemed very much a chaotic, spontaneous creator - not unlike amateur writers (not even saying that in a bad way, he seemed genuinely inexperienced when it came to writing and I can't hold mistakes like that against newbs in general) - prone to tossing in new stuff that he found cool and thinking about how best they'd fit the story (or how the story should be made to fit them) later, which is no way to write a coherent narrative.

Let's be real, RWBY is fun but it isn't high art, 'cute girls with badass weapons engage in cool fight scenes while also attending high school' isn't a super unique concept and Monty was a great animator but not a Tolkien of animation, much less (pseudo-)anime writing. Girls und Panzer tackles the concept from a different angle and I find it to be inarguably better written, with more compelling side & main characters alike, than RWBY ever was. So if Rooster Teeth/Warner Bros is willing to sell, Crunchyroll/Japan are willing to reboot, and there are fans willing to give said reboot a chance, well - why not? Ice Queendom was reasonably well-received, it's actually got higher ratings on CR than the main series, so I'd imagine a reboot that starts out similar to V1-2 but goes in a different (ideally much better written) direction as IQ did but on a larger scale would be able to repeat its success as long as it's handled with a modicum of grace & competence. Monty himself was obviously hugely inspired by anime and incorporated a lot of anime tropes into the early RWBY volumes, so as has been said before in this thread, RWBY being rebooted as an anime actually seems pretty fitting.

All that said, if RWBY is to be rebooted, I do wish the rebooters can find a place for Shane Newville. Man was Monty's protege and the scandals about Rooster Teeth's atrocious mismanagement & mistreatment of its employees has pretty much vindicated the accusations he made in his letter over the years, he deserved better than getting sidelined & buried under a mountain of shit by RT (far from the last to have that happen to him by the looks of things now) and apparently he's still making animations these days so who knows, maybe he'll be interested if they ask nicely & offer a large enough paycheck.

Again, from what we have been told by various people.
They are using a basic outline Monty provided for the series for 10 volumes

I can't say I believe this idea that Monty planned 10 volumes out in advance because as has been said, the man changed things on a dime & added new stuff when he thought it was cool. Sticking to a fixed plan, for ten seasons no less, doesn't seem at all like it'd be his style considering all those other times he dropped new stuff in (sometimes right before a deadline no less, like Neo's character). But even if he did have a long-term plan, I find credence in Shane's letter that RT basically didn't give a damn and were eager to jettison it the microsecond he died.

 

[Zachowon]

I'm pretty much where @Terthna 's at. I respect Monty's passion, work ethic and talent as an animator, but he wasn't perfect and his skill as a writer & showrunner left much to be desired - seems he knew it himself and that's why Miles Luna & Kerry Shawcross were involved at all, they basically got on board to help with the writing end and making all the cool characters & fights he had in his head gel together. (Ironically they also turned out to be even worse writers than Monty alone, but that's another subject) Monty added the Maidens in sometime between V2 and V3, came up with Neo ten days before the episode in which she was introduced aired, surprised RT and Miles/Kerry with the V2 after-credits scene featuring Raven & had to fight them to add it in (per Shane Newville's open letter), etc. He seemed very much a chaotic, spontaneous creator - not unlike amateur writers (not even saying that in a bad way, he seemed genuinely inexperienced when it came to writing and I can't hold mistakes like that against newbs in general) - prone to tossing in new stuff that he found cool and thinking about how best they'd fit the story (or how the story should be made to fit them) later, which is no way to write a coherent narrative.

Let's be real, RWBY is fun but it isn't high art, 'cute girls with badass weapons engage in cool fight scenes while also attending high school' isn't a super unique concept and Monty was a great animator but not a Tolkien of animation, much less (pseudo-)anime writing. Girls und Panzer tackles the concept from a different angle and I find it to be inarguably better written, with more compelling side & main characters alike, than RWBY ever was. So if Rooster Teeth/Warner Bros is willing to sell, Crunchyroll/Japan are willing to reboot, and there are fans willing to give said reboot a chance, well - why not? Ice Queendom was reasonably well-received, it's actually got higher ratings on CR than the main series, so I'd imagine a reboot that starts out similar to V1-2 but goes in a different (ideally much better written) direction as IQ did but on a larger scale would be able to repeat its success as long as it's handled with a modicum of grace & competence. Monty himself was obviously hugely inspired by anime and incorporated a lot of anime tropes into the early RWBY volumes, so as has been said before in this thread, RWBY being rebooted as an anime actually seems pretty fitting.

All that said, if RWBY is to be rebooted, I do wish the rebooters can find a place for Shane Newville. Man was Monty's protege and the scandals about Rooster Teeth's atrocious mismanagement & mistreatment of its employees has pretty much vindicated the accusations he made in his letter over the years, he deserved better than getting sidelined & buried under a mountain of shit by RT (far from the last to have that happen to him by the looks of things now) and apparently he's still making animations these days so who knows, maybe he'll be interested if they ask nicely & offer a large enough paycheck.

I can't say I believe this idea that Monty planned 10 volumes out in advance because as has been said, the man changed things on a dime & added new stuff when he thought it was cool. Sticking to a fixed plan, for ten seasons no less, doesn't seem at all like it'd be his style considering all those other times he dropped new stuff in (sometimes right before a deadline no less, like Neo's character). But even if he did have a long-term plan, I find credence in Shane's letter that RT basically didn't give a damn and were eager to jettison it the microsecond he died.

It wasn't a set plan.
It was a "we have a general BASIS" that is what they stuck too.

I honestly do find some moments in TWBY horribly written. Domt get me wrong but I definitely don't think it's atrocious.

I also would wonder what would a Reboot do to Jaune.
My favorite character

 

[Circle of Willis]

It wasn't a set plan.
It was a "we have a general BASIS" that is what they stuck too.

I honestly do find some moments in TWBY horribly written. Domt get me wrong but I definitely don't think it's atrocious.

I also would wonder what would a Reboot do to Jaune.
My favorite character

I mean, as far as I can tell, that 'general basis going forward' (major events of V3 like Pyrrha's death not counting since Monty was still alive for most of that season's production IIRC) comes down to 'the cast doesn't stay cooped up at Beacon all the time, they travel the world, and also alternate between volumes that are heavy on plot and filler volumes'. Not much to go on and Miles & Kerry have managed to screw it up anyway.

Could be worse, hell I have seen a lot worse. But I can't say 'well at least it's still better written than the Star Wars sequels' is a very high bar to clear.

Honestly I don't hate Jaune as a lot of RWBY critics do, I think he has a place as the 'Watson' to Pyrrha/everyone else's 'Sherlock' (that is, the guy who has to ask questions about things like Aura so the other character can explain it to the audience without breaking the 4th wall). IQ even showed how to handle his questioning & having concepts/rules of the world of Remnant be explained to him (and by extension the audience) better & more naturally than the original volumes did. But I do think any reboot would have to make sure he gets less attention than the original, if only so that the girls whose initials make up the show's name can get that attention & limelight instead - this is only natural, the series is called RWBY and not JNPR after all.

For example it's frankly baffling to me that RWBY had to get nine volumes in before dedicating an entire season to developing Ruby's character (in another dimension removed from the main storyline no less). Like...she's the main character, this sort of thing should've happened five or six volumes ago so you can get as much of the characterization done as possible before switching the story's gears to being really plot-heavy, not now when you're supposedly so close to the end (especially if Monty sketched out an outline for ten seasons, that would make V9 the penultimate one) lmao.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, as far as I can tell, that 'general basis going forward' (major events of V3 like Pyrrha's death not counting since Monty was still alive for most of that season's production IIRC) comes down to 'the cast doesn't stay cooped up at Beacon all the time, they travel the world, and also alternate between volumes that are heavy on plot and filler volumes'. Not much to go on and Miles & Kerry have managed to screw it up anyway.

Could be worse, hell I have seen a lot worse. But I can't say 'well at least it's still better written than the Star Wars sequels' is a very high bar to clear.

Honestly I don't hate Jaune as a lot of RWBY critics do, I think he has a place as the 'Watson' to Pyrrha/everyone else's 'Sherlock' (that is, the guy who has to ask questions about things like Aura so the other character can explain it to the audience without breaking the 4th wall). IQ even showed how to handle his questioning & having concepts/rules of the world of Remnant be explained to him (and by extension the audience) better & more naturally than the original volumes did. But I do think any reboot would have to make sure he gets less attention than the original, if only so that the girls whose initials make up the show's name can get that attention & limelight instead - this is only natural, the series is called RWBY and not JNPR after all.

For example it's frankly baffling to me that RWBY had to get nine volumes in before dedicating an entire season to developing Ruby's character (in another dimension removed from the main storyline no less). Like...she's the main character, this sort of thing should've happened five or six volumes ago so you can get as much of the characterization done as possible before switching the story's gears to being really plot-heavy, not now when you're supposedly so close to the end (especially if Monty sketched out an outline for ten seasons, that would make V9 the penultimate one) lmao.

I think that volume 9 will be the one they use to get more invested in story and maybe try to sell it for longer then10.
Idk.
I just if a reboot happens, want Jaune to be pushed aside. Like we can use Girls Und Panzer. Pufferfish was the main girld we followed but we still got plenty with the rest if the team.
JNPR and RWBY grew close due to being same day and that advantage

 

[Circle of Willis]

I think that volume 9 will be the one they use to get more invested in story and maybe try to sell it for longer then10.
Idk.
I just if a reboot happens, want Jaune to be pushed aside. Like we can use Girls Und Panzer. Pufferfish was the main girld we followed but we still got plenty with the rest if the team.
JNPR and RWBY grew close due to being same day and that advantage

Considering the dire straits Rooster Teeth's in now, how most of CRWBY (animators and such) have already been laid off, with AFAIK the only people sticking around being the upper management & post-production crews finishing work on V9 and that Justice League crossover, and how RT likely doesn't even have the money to hire them back assuming they haven't already gotten other jobs in the (quite long) interim...if that's what they're aiming for, then good luck, they're gonna need it.

Characterization is a huge part of why I think any good reboot either needs to stay in Beacon, or stick to it for much longer than just three volumes. You can't develop these characters & their relationships with one another in a hurry, same as why Boromir's death in LOTR wouldn't have worked if it happened before the Fellowship even enters Moria and thus before we got a really good look at his character & relationship with Aragorn, the Hobbits and the Ring. For example, with let's say six seasons building up to graduation (where the rebooters can then have Salem, Cinder, etc. crash the party and get the world-saving plot going if they're still hellbent on going in that direction) you'd actually have the time to spend on properly building up Jaune & PNR (giving Pyrrha more character traits than 'nice and nearly-invincible young lady' and 'simp for Jaune because he didn't know who she was', for instance, like V3 seemed to be doing until it elected to kill her and all potential for her development off instead) while still having a lot left over for RWBY and even the other teams - CFVY, SSSN, etc. need love too.

I doubt anyone will object to spending a lot more time with lower stakes & a more relaxed atmosphere anyway. The big 'save the world from Salem' storyline is considered by far the weakest part of RWBY by just about everyone I've ever discussed the show with, from much harsher critics than myself to people who are still fans to even the crazy shippers.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean I definitely think Salem being there so early and not the big bad in back hurt it.

But honestly I enjoy it

 

[Terthna]

All that said, if RWBY is to be rebooted, I do wish the rebooters can find a place for Shane Newville. Man was Monty's protege and the scandals about Rooster Teeth's atrocious mismanagement & mistreatment of its employees has pretty much vindicated the accusations he made in his letter over the years, he deserved better than getting sidelined & buried under a mountain of shit by RT (far from the last to have that happen to him by the looks of things now) and apparently he's still making animations these days so who knows, maybe he'll be interested if they ask nicely & offer a large enough paycheck.

The only problem with that is Shane Newville is a 3D animator, and the Japanese don't have many studios that can make 3D animation look good on a TV budget. So unless it ends up in the hands of Orange, the guys behind Land of the Lustrous and Beastars, it's probably going to be animated more traditionally like Ice Queendom was; meaning Shane wouldn't have anything to contribute.

 

[Circle of Willis]

The only problem with that is Shane Newville is a 3D animator, and the Japanese don't have many studios that can make 3D animation look good on a TV budget. So unless it ends up in the hands of Orange, the guys behind Land of the Lustrous and Beastars, it's probably going to be animated more traditionally like Ice Queendom was; meaning Shane wouldn't have anything to contribute.

RWBY being revived as a 3D anime would be a pretty interesting project and incorporate the best of both its English roots and the Japanese animation industry, tbh. But even if that's not the form that a future reboot/revival takes, maybe there's still a chance for Shane to get some credit as a 'producer', which would at least let him give some input on creative choices. (Admittedly this thought came from seeing that Eiichiro Oda's being credited as an 'executive producer' for Netflix's One Piece, which will almost certainly be a catastrophe. But hey, every losing streak's got to end at some point, including that of RWBY & cross-cultural adaptations/reboots in general...right?)

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Honestly I don't hate Jaune as a lot of RWBY critics do

The reason Jaune is hated is down to two main reasons.

1: Jaune usurped the slot of main character from Ruby just by virtue of being a better written character with more relatable motivations, he starts just wanting to prove himself and help people before moving onto revenge after Pyrrha's death with a myriad of conflicting emotion involving Oz, Weiss almost death and now Penny being mercy killed by him, and some elements of the FNDM can't stand that.

2: because Jaune is the only male on the main cast who isn't bound to someone already he becomes the main SI for a lot of new fanfictions authors (Naruto in name only) or in the experienced writer who writes heterosexual ships case the main guy who in character gets shipped with everybody in a few good fics. (Another guesses as to another certain crowd in the FNDM that hate that?)

The first isn't a problem, in fact it reinforces the guy as a good character and more a testimony to how the Staff of RT have little idea of how to progress Ruby as the true main character as intended.

The second wasn't Jaune's fault either as coupled with him being so relatable and the only male cast member of RWBY, who also hs around throughout every Volume in the series surrounded by beautiful high school girls with weapons on a show primarily watched by male teenagers it's inevitable.

I mean it's funny how people complain about the guy they never hardly point to his character flaws that deserves him to be downgraded or taught someone else as being a better replacement to him narrative wise.

 

[Terthna]

The reason Jaune is hated is down to two main reasons.

1: Jaune usurped the slot of main character from Ruby just by virtue of being a better written character with more relatable motivations, he starts just wanting to prove himself and help people before moving onto revenge after Pyrrha's death and some element of the FNDM can't stand that.

2: because Jaune is the only male on the main cast who isn't bound to someone already he becomes the main SI for a lot of new fanfictions authors (Naruto in name only) or in the experienced writer who writes heterosexual ships case the main guy who in character gets shipped with everybody in a few good fics. (Another guesses as to another certain crowd in the FNDM that hate that?)

The first isn't a problem, in fact it reinforces the guy as a good character and more a testimony to how the Staff of RT have little idea of how to progress Ruby as the true main character as intended.

The second wasn't Jaune's fault either as coupled with him being so relatable and the only male cast member of RWBY who was around throughout every Volume surrounded by beautiful high school girls with weapons on a show primarily watched by teenagers it's inevitable.

I mean it's funny how people complain about the guy they never hardly point to his character flaws or taught someone else as being a better replacement narrative wise.

Thing is, in a vacuum he's not actually that well-written; it's just that Ruby and most of the rest of the cast are so poorly-written by comparison, that they don't even merit being considered characters.

 

[Zachowon]

The reason Jaune is hated is down to two main reasons.

1: Jaune usurped the slot of main character from Ruby just by virtue of being a better written character with more relatable motivations, he starts just wanting to prove himself and help people before moving onto revenge after Pyrrha's death with a myriad of conflicting emotion involving Oz, Weiss almost death and now Penny being mercy killed by him, and some element of the FNDM can't stand that.

2: because Jaune is the only male on the main cast who isn't bound to someone already he becomes the main SI for a lot of new fanfictions authors (Naruto in name only) or in the experienced writer who writes heterosexual ships case the main guy who in character gets shipped with everybody in a few good fics. (Another guesses as to another certain crowd in the FNDM that hate that?)

The first isn't a problem, in fact it reinforces the guy as a good character and more a testimony to how the Staff of RT have little idea of how to progress Ruby as the true main character as intended.

The second wasn't Jaune's fault either as coupled with him being so relatable and the only male cast member of RWBY, who also was around throughout every Volume surrounded by beautiful high school girls with weapons on a show primarily watched by male teenagers it's inevitable.

I mean it's funny how people complain about the guy they never hardly point to his character flaws that deserves him to be downgraded or taught someone else as being a better replacement to him narrative wise.

Jaune was so relatable to me when the show first aired I basically felt like we had a lot of similar issues on my young head.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Jaune was interesting as a side character in the early volumes, but he is a little vanilla as a character. If he had a starring role then there would be more tension to maintain interest. If he was hypothetically the MC from the get go, then I would have played up the hoax part. Show the tension of him faking the transcripts and cheating on exams and hoping not to get caught, posturing and trying to disguise his ineptitude, quickly learning and trying to adapt, and so on. That would have been really engaging to watch. MHA and Utawarerumono played with the idea of the hero being a normal guy with no superpowers pretending to be a superpowered warrior and bullshitting the people around him. Have it so that Pyrha was the one person he confessed to, and she helped him maintain appearances at Beacon, but after Beacon falls and she dies, he's on his own to maintain the hoax.

 

[Zachowon]

We have had a lot more building up of Jane's character then most of the others.
I also domt think that was intentional.

I jist hope in Volume 9 we learn about his Swords origin and jf it is older then everyone besides the big bad

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Thing is, in a vacuum he's not actually that well-written; it's just that Ruby and most of the rest of the cast are so poorly-written by comparison, that they don't even merit being considered characters.

Listen don't take this the wrong way @Terthna but unless I specifically stated Jaune was the best character ever written in every form of media I would prefer you not treat me as if I did just so you can dunk on RWBY using me, you have made your disdain for the series evident multiple times, going further in the past month you have expressed hope in a complete redo from scratch to the point you might as well be honest and a complete rejection of every aspect of the series plot.

The truth is you hate the show, you hate the characters, you hate the plot, you hate the backstory, in fact you want a complete retcon by your own words against Monty above throwing everything out the window you dislike indicating you just hate every fiber of the show down to its core.

Man at this point just hound someone else for a new completely unrelated series, the argument you are making here is the same as a guy who stands up in a BBQ joint that just opens and starts railing that instead of the Starbucks he wanted he got something else and insist the restaurant should start serving iced coffee.

The fact is that Salem, The Relics, The Gods, Maidens and everything you see post Volume 3 was always intended from the start in RWBY as Oum the creator intended, just as George Lucas for better or worse had prequel trilogy outlined, that was how both series regardless of execution are intended to be. Sure, you can argue they can be done better but then again you aren't, are you?

Criticism is a good thing but that isn't the same as dunking, to do the former you have to recognize and judge something for what it actually is against what it's trying to be and not just what you want it to be.

Take that dumpster fire Velma as an example. I hate and dunk on it as much as everyone else and while I admit it was a waste of time and I hate its 'message' with every fiber of my being you won't hear me argue it should be retconned or remade in the image I want, it's still exactly what the artist wanted as flawed and despicable as it is, I give criticism in the hope that people will recognize where it went wrong when they start a new production.

In short either you think RWBY is garbage with nothing redeemable that has run its course and you offer respectful criticism for their next production, or you respect it for what it's trying and failing to be and give honest opinion on how you think it could better or could have been better if it's doing it badly.

I can't tell what you want here, if you hate the show and want it dead or feel it a lost cause just tell us and if you truly believe that while wanting something completely different just move onto something else, don't dunk on others though if they offer valid criticism by stating the good in the bad in a series where you only see the later.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I don't see how relics could have always have been intended from the start. They weren't in the first three seasons at all, and season 3 just introduced the 4 maidens. Even if we are generous and assume that Monty actually had conceptualized the maidens from the very start, it doesn't make sense during the outlining phase to create 4 plot mcguffins called the maidens and then introduce another set of 4 plot mcguffins for the story to revolve around. This was Monty's first show. Trying to manage 8 plot mcguffins is crazy. I can't think of any other story with that many plot devices that the story revolves around.

I think what happened is that after season 3's ending promised a road trip adventure, Miles and Kerry realized that the heroes had little reason to travel to the capitals of the other three kingdoms. Aside from Weiss in Atlas, the heroes have no personal connection with the other capitals. If anything it makes more sense for them to stay in Vale and try to regroup with the other survivors and protect the other settlements in the region with the long term goal of retaking Beacon. Maidens don't work as a goal because you want to keep them as a mystery box to keep the audience hooked ("I think X is actually a maiden!"), and then have them come into the narrative at a dramatic moment like saving the heroes.

So Miles and Kerry had Qrow intercept the heroes and tell them "hey, there are actually these 4 magical artifacts being guarded in each capital, and if the bad guy gets all four then it's game over. So we should go to the other capitals and defend the relics". But Qrow isn't an important leader nor super knowledgeable about ancient history. He's just a guy, so the logical end result is that they arrive at a capital and the nation leaders tell Qrow "no we're not letting you into the vault or sit around here waiting for an attack that might not come for years, we've got it protected, you guys go off and fight monsters or try retaking Vale or something". So the head man Ozpin also had to be brought back and inserted into the group via Oscar so he could herd the heroes after the relics and use his authority and knowledge to gain direct access to them.

... Do you see how messy this is? There is no way this could have all been conceptualized at once and someone said "yeah, this will make for a good, coherent story". They were clearly making this up as they went along. And that's not even getting into later seasons where the story gets increasingly convoluted.

 

[Terthna]

Listen don't take this the wrong way @Terthna but unless I specifically stated Jaune was the best character ever written in every form of media I would prefer you not treat me as if I did just so you can dunk on RWBY using me, you have made your disdain for the series evident multiple times, going further in the past month you have expressed hope in a complete redo from scratch to the point you might as well be honest and a complete rejection of every aspect of the series plot.

The truth is you hate the show, you hate the characters, you hate the plot, you hate the backstory, in fact you want a complete retcon by your own words against Monty above throwing everything out the window you dislike indicating you just hate every fiber of the show down to its core.

Man at this point just hound someone else for a new completely unrelated series, the argument you are making here is the same as a guy who stands up in a BBQ joint that just opens and starts railing that instead of the Starbucks he wanted he got something else and insist the restaurant should start serving iced coffee.

The fact is that Salem, The Relics, The Gods, Maidens and everything you see post Volume 3 was always intended from the start in RWBY as Oum the creator intended, just as George Lucas for better or worse had prequel trilogy outlined, that was how both series regardless of execution are intended to be. Sure, you can argue they can be done better but then again you aren't, are you?

Criticism is a good thing but that isn't the same as dunking, to do the former you have to recognize and judge something for what it actually is against what it's trying to be and not just what you want it to be.

Take that dumpster fire Velma as an example. I hate and dunk on it as much as everyone else and while I admit it was a waste of time and I hate its 'message' with every fiber of my being you won't hear me argue it should be retconned or remade in the image I want, it's still exactly what the artist wanted as flawed and despicable as it is, I give criticism in the hope that people will recognize where it went wrong when they start a new production.

In short either you think RWBY is garbage with nothing redeemable that has run its course and you offer respectful criticism for their next production, or you respect it for what it's trying and failing to be and give honest opinion on how you think it could better or could have been better if it's doing it badly.

I can't tell what you want here, if you hate the show and want it dead or feel it a lost cause just tell us and if you truly believe that while wanting something completely different just move onto something else, don't dunk on others though if they offer valid criticism by stating the good in the bad in a series where you only see the later.

Woah; clearly, I touched a nerve. I wasn't implying that you were saying that "Jaune was the best character ever written in every form of media"; just disagreeing that he was "well-written", and trying to come up with a reason for why you might think that (just as you were trying to come up with reasons for why people disliked Jaune). That aside, you're not wrong about me hating the show; I've never tried to hide it, in fact. RWBY used to be one of my favorite shows; I was downright obsessed with it back in the day, but after volume 3 all that love slowly turned into hate, and now every once in a while I get reminded of the show, and feel the need to vent about everything wrong with it.

Also, I've said quite a bit about RWBY over the years (the last time being well over a year ago), and much of that does include legitimate criticism, and suggestions for improving it. Like that time I suggested abandoning everything involving Salem, The Relics, The Gods, Maidens, et cetera, and building a narrative around the people of Remnant slowly running out of Dust, the one thing that allows them to beat back the Grimm.

As for everything post volume 3 having been always intended by Monty Oum; I honestly don't care. Even if that were true, and Oum's own protégé and would disagree with you on that, it doesn't change my opinion that they were bad ideas doomed to failure.

All that said; I want to reiterate that if you like the show, or just parts of it I don't, that me expressing my differing opinion is not an attempt to attack you personally.

 

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According to the RWBY Wiki Monty came up with the idea of the Maidens between Volumes 2 & 3, not from the start, and also the Gods (and by extension the Relics) were Miles' work, not Monty's. I think RWBY could have a MacGuffin-chasing/protecting plot-heavy story, but it needs to pick one set of four and to put such a massive shift in the plot & stakes off for quite a while to first develop its cast, as I've said before. Would agree with @Val the Moofia Boss that even if Maidens & Relics had been a thing from the start, they absolutely do not mesh well together (as we can see from Maiden powers being of barely any relevance since V3, and even then for a supposed epic powerhouse Amber the Fall Maiden almost got owned like a chump by Cinder's crew - only for Cinder to then become a jobber even with the Fall Maiden powers anyway).

A hypothetical reboot can roll with either IMO, it can become a plot-driven story with world-ending stakes and MacGuffins to chase/defend around Remnant, but it has to pick one. Picking both the Relics and Maidens at the same time results in the muddled, convoluted story we have now where neither can be explained or fleshed out in any significant detail. And between the two I'd honestly rather just have the Maidens, the Relics are so OP that they'd break the story - Salem's now got a plot device that create anything, how is anyone supposed to beat her after that? (Rooster Teeth clearly doesn't have an answer either, if they did they'd have V9 pick up where V8 left off instead of driving the cast into some other dimension disconnected from Remnant)

On the topic of Jaune, I don't believe he needs to be killed off or written out of the story. In fact, a reboot might not even have to reduce his screentime if they keep Beacon standing for a couple more seasons - that way they'd make time for Team RWBY and probably even other teams like CFVY without having to take any away from Jaune himself. (As said before, I don't think anyone would hate the idea of spending more time at Beacon anyway. That seems to generally be considered the best part of the show and even among the people who didn't like the magical high school setting, found it boring/uninspired/whatever, I can't think of one I've met over the years who believed the Salem plot was an improvement.) I would say Jaune's problem, besides taking the limelight away from Team RWBY (not actually his fault but more-so that of the writers themselves, as you say @Free-Stater 101 ) is that more often than not, developments are happening either way too slowly (the bullying arc could've been done in less than four eps for example, so much so that even Ice Queendom mercifully skipped over Jaunedice...) or way too quickly with him.

Here's an example, extra time would be invaluable to properly fleshing out his relationship with Pyrrha - even when I was a young 'un watching RWBY for the first time I found it weird that she held a torch for him because he didn't know who she was when they first met. And worse still, that despite generally being a dutiful student she was willing to go to lengths that normally only a lifelong friend would in covering up his fake transcript secret, even though they'd known each other for like two semesters at best at that point - that just struck me as nonsensical on my first ever rewatch of V1-2 many, many years ago. Him not knowing who she was, when she dislikes her fame and finds it makes it hard for her to make friends, makes an OK launching point for good relations between the pair; but the Arkos ship, or Pyrrha being such a good & trusting friend that she doesn't react negatively to Jaune's secret and in fact helps to cover it up, are things that would probably need a good 4+ seasons to set up in such a way that they're believable.

(In fact since I made a mention of 'lifelong friends' just now, I think reconfiguring Jaune/Pyrrha to be childhood friends would be another good option to fix the above writing issues if the rebooters don't want to spend entire seasons building them up, so they can spend that time on someone else instead. Them going all the way back to kindergarten or whatever means Jaune has good reason to not give Pyrrha any special treatment even though she's so famous she's got her face on cereal boxes, while Pyrrha has equally good reason to stick up for him & even cover his secret up despite being able to tell something's off from the instant he makes it clear he doesn't know what basics like Aura are, and a shared history gives Arkos a much more solid foundation than Jaune apparently not being a big fan of cereal and them knowing each other for a few semesters at best. You don't have to change their personalities, or even how they interact with one another for the most part - just the why.

This setup would even help the story around these two characters - JNPR being comprised of two pairs of longtime friends gives JP/NR something in common, gives the team as a whole an actual binding theme, and makes it easier to set them up as friendly rivals to RWBY with a clear obstacle for the latter to overcome: JNPR's excellent relationships mean they can work together seamlessly from very early on, while Ruby gets along with Yang for obvious reasons but badly needs to get the other three team members to stop being at each other's throats and to take her seriously as their leader if they're to have any chance of matching/overcoming JNPR in combat. How's this for an idea I spitballed in the last five minutes?)

...frankly, this is a topic I could go on about for ages, so I'll stop myself here with a summary: for the most part, the basics of RWBY don't need to be thrown out and I doubt many fans will be convinced by a reboot that does just that. Throwing everything out would mean that yeah, you might as well just make an entirely original production instead. But they can be refined, and a huge part of that IMO will be to think everything through & spend a lot more time building up the characters & world alike, which necessarily means a more chill pace and a lot more time at Beacon where the characters have time to breathe & develop naturally; the plot & stakes aren't quite so grandiose and demanding; and things like Aura, Semblances/Magic, and the Maidens can be introduced and explained in detail sequentially, starting with the basics and then very gradually moving to the more advanced/powerful concepts, rather than being thrown at the audience in one huge jumbled mess where each new MacGuffin further raises the stakes & renders the ones before it irrelevant.

Or here's an even shorter tl;dr - consider that even Dragon Ball Z took like five sagas and almost 100 episodes just to have Goku go Super Saiyan for the first time. Escalating the plot & forcing the charas to move at a breakneck pace is pretty much never a good idea.