Anime & Manga RWBY General discussion thread.

[Bacle]

How was it a farce? That was the planned ending for volume 3 since day one

If it truly was planned that way from day 1, and not a rush job after Monty died, then that says even worse things about the whole creative team for RWBY.

As for how it was a farce, well, it's like no one ever did ID checks or background checks on Cinder or her crew before the Tournament, plus the whole 'cut away from Cinder vs Ozpin fight', and the 'Phyrra makes suicidally stupid choice to engage Cinder alone' bit.

I've never been a fan of tournament arcs in pretty much any show I've watched, and the way RT handled and ended that arc showed me that 'hand characters idiot balls for drama' was going to be a large part of the plot going forward, and I was not interested in that.

 

[Terthna]

If it truly was planned that way from day 1, and not a rush job after Monty died, then that says even worse things about the whole creative team for RWBY.

As for how it was a farce, well, it's like no one ever did ID checks or background checks on Cinder or her crew before the Tournament, plus the whole 'cut away from Cinder vs Ozpin fight', and the 'Phyrra makes suicidally stupid choice to engage Cinder alone' bit.

I've never been a fan of tournament arcs in pretty much any show I've watched, and the way RT handled and ended that arc showed me that 'hand characters idiot balls for drama' was going to be a large part of the plot going forward, and I was not interested in that.

Not to mention the deus ex machina asspull that was Ruby awakening her bootleg Sharingan and scaring Cinder off with it after watching Pyrrha die; someone she never interact with at all, let alone enough to have this big emotional reaction to her death (unlike, say, Penny; Ruby's friend whom Pyrrha had killed earlier that same day).

 

[Bacle]

Not to mention the deus ex machina asspull that was Ruby awakening her bootleg Sharingan and scaring Cinder off with it after watching Pyrrha die; someone she never interact with at all, let alone enough to have this big emotional reaction to her death (unlike, say, Penny; Ruby's friend whom Pyrrha had killed earlier that same day).

Yeah, the 'Silver Eyes' bit was kinda stupid too, though I thought Pyrrha and Ruby had talked on several occasions.

 

[Terthna]

Yeah, the 'Silver Eyes' bit was kinda stupid too, though I thought Pyrrha and Ruby had talked on several occasions.

It's been awhile, so I could be wrong, but I don't remember them having a single conversation with each other. Even if they did though; Ruby was far, far closer to Penny. You'd think she'd have awakened her Mystic Eyes of Derp Perception after watch her die, or at the very least feel conflicted over whether or not she should feel bad about the death of the person who killed her.

 

[Bacle]

It's been awhile, so I could be wrong, but I don't remember them having a single conversation with each other. Even if they did though; Ruby was far, far closer to Penny. You'd think she'd have awakened her Mystic Eyes of Derp Perception after watch her die, or at the very least feel conflicted over whether or not she should feel bad about the death of the person who killed her.

Eh, except Penny is/was a robot, who could possibly be rebuilt, and not a living being; that fundamental difference I think could account for the difference in reactions.

Plus, well, Ruby was already in a combat mode with Pyrrha and Cinder, and watching Pyrrha get disintegrated/immolated by Cinder probably pushed her over the edge.

Ruby was just a spectator to Penny's dismantling, even if Penny 2.0 showed up with essentially all of Penny's personality and memories, just better combat abilities.

Personally my favorite thing to come out of the RWBY franchise was EleventhCenturyRemnant's RWBY/Nanoha fic on SB back in the day, not any of the canon shit. We'll see if maybe CR or SHAFT can make RWBY live up to the potential it had before the end of Vol. 3, but only time will tell.

 

[Terthna]

Eh, except Penny is/was a robot, who could possibly be rebuilt, and not a living being; that fundamental difference I think could account for the difference in reactions.

Plus, well, Ruby was already in a combat mode with Pyrrha and Cinder, and watching Pyrrha get disintegrated/immolated by Cinder probably pushed her over the edge.

Ruby was just a spectator to Penny's dismantling, even if Penny 2.0 showed up with essentially all of Penny's personality and memories, just better combat abilities.

Personally my favorite thing to come out of the RWBY franchise was EleventhCenturyRemnant's RWBY/Nanoha fic on SB back in the day, not any of the canon shit. We'll see if maybe CR or SHAFT can make RWBY live up to the potential it had before the end of Vol. 3, but only time will tell.

It was a stupid scene regardless; it honestly would have made more sense if Jaune had gone with Ruby to try and save Pyrrha, and he got killed shielding her. Not only would it make more sense in terms of pathos, it would have been a great way to end his character arc (letting him go out doing something heroic), and would have gotten rid of Miles Luna's completely useless self-insert before he could continue the steal the show from the main cast.

I guess it depends on who buys the IP, but if it's the Japanese for example (SHAFT or otherwise), those guys have shown that they're really only interested in the events of the Beacon era. IIRC poor ratings/sales was part of the reason as to why it took the Japanese forever to get around to dubbing anything past V4 (and when they did get around to doing that, it sold extremely poorly in Japan despite doing OK elsewhere), Ice Queendom was set in the time of the early volumes because the Japanese were confused by/uninterested in what came after (although they tried to phrase it nicely) and the manga have always stuck to Beacon or the trailers - I don't think they even got around to V3.

And realistically, if Crunchyroll buys RWBY (seems to be the likeliest outcome TBH) I think they'll probably just license it while letting the Japanese produce. Not only did they apparently have a positive experience with this setup in Ice Queendom, but they must know by now that every time they've tried their hand at making shows themselves it went so horribly as to become a meme (hello, High Guardian Spice & Ex-Arm).

Apparently RWBY's ratings were at their peak in V3 and never quite recovered from the big drop after that, so rebooting could also be done by the new studio in an attempt to recapture these lost viewers who dropped out after Beacon's fall.

Considering RWBY was trying to imitate anime stylistically from the beginning, it's ironic that the show may end up getting rebooted as one to try and salvage it.

 

[Zachowon]

Jen Brown herself confirmed that when she was asked to play Pyrrha she was told she was gonna die.
So...yeah. that was planned from Day one.
Hell, Miles and Kerry both said that they had the first 3 volumes done writing by the time Monty died, and had the basis down up till 10 iirc

 

[Terthna]

Jen Brown herself confirmed that when she was asked to play Pyrrha she was told she was gonna die.
So...yeah. that was planned from Day one.
Hell, Miles and Kerry both said that they had the first 3 volumes done writing by the time Monty died, and had the basis down up till 10 iirc

Yes, but they also said the Maidens were a late addition they came up with after Monty's death, so I doubt he ever had concrete plans for the how and why of her death. Even if he did, they were probably changed constantly like everything else when he was still in charge.

The man should have never been put in charge of his own show, and kept to just directing animated action scenes. RWBY was always going to suck story-wise; it merely lost one of its two main selling points (the action scenes) with his death, and was left to coast on just the appealing character designs; which they managed to screw up as well over time, for the most part.

 

[Zachowon]

I personally like the better animation of the show now compares to the more still of the early stuff

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I thought that the look of the early show had charm. The new visual look is too clean and stale, and it feels professional which makes me scrutinize the rest of the show more for not holding up.

 

[Zachowon]

Can we all agree volume 4 was the worst in terms of quality?

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Can we all agree volume 4 was the worst in terms of quality?

S4 was boring and there was no plot progression but it wasn't offensive like the seasons that followed. No subplots being destroyed in the most unsatisfying manner possible, no character assassinations, no out of nowhere diversity romances.

 

[Zachowon]

S4 was boring and there was no plot progression but it wasn't offensive like the seasons that followed. No subplots being destroyed in the most unsatisfying manner possible, no character assassinations, no out of nowhere diversity romances.

What do you mean for the first two?
And BUMBLEBEE is forced fully agree

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

White Faunas amounting to nothing, Adam going from a competent, intimidating terrorist leader to being an angsty teenager hung up on Blake, Ironwood going from a generous good guy and reliable ally to a cartoon villain.

 

[Circle of Willis]

Can we all agree volume 4 was the worst in terms of quality?

Personally V5 was my rock bottom, and that was also where I stopped watching RWBY - save for the occasional episode and Ice Queendom, I'd just read post-end-of-season summaries to determine whether any of it sounded good enough to spend more time on. It rarely was, and after I had a friend summarize V8 for me I was just left confused & wondering 'oh my God, how can they even continue the story after this?' (Seems RT doesn't know either, hence why V9 seems to be a total sidetrack into an Alice in Wonderland-themed dimension rather than trying to pick up where V8 left off, while whether there will be a V10 at all remains uncertain at best) I was willing to cut Rooster Teeth/the CRWBY a break on V4 because of Oum's then-recent death and because they just changed to the new software, but after that...nah.

Anyway, if RWBY does get bought out and rebooted by Crunchyroll/Japan/whoever (because they decide the story as-is is too convoluted & screwed up for them to continue), I'd hope the new owner makes full use of the benefit of hindsight to avoid the same pitfalls that have plagued the current incarnation's story & characters. Keeping it a lighthearted & action-heavy slice-of-life/villain-of-the-week show would be lovely but if they insist on taking a darker turn toward a grander and more serious plot as V3 did, they should at least put that off for a much later season so they have more time to build up the characters, their relationships to one another and the world of Remnant (directly in story I mean, not with the World of Remnant side features) - even Harry Potter had 6/7 books take place in Hogwarts after all. A reboot would also mean a second chance at doing mangled storylines like the White Fang plot and getting it right this time.

Oh, and speaking of which - shipping is one thing, but pandering to insane shippers even at the cost of screwing up other characters & storylines must absolutely be avoided as well.

 

[Bacle]

Personally V5 was my rock bottom, and that was also where I stopped watching RWBY - save for the occasional episode and Ice Queendom, I'd just read post-end-of-season summaries to determine whether any of it sounded good enough to spend more time on. It rarely was, and after I had a friend summarize V8 for me I was just left confused & wondering 'oh my God, how can they even continue the story after this?' (Seems RT doesn't know either, hence why V9 seems to be a total sidetrack into an Alice in Wonderland-themed dimension rather than trying to pick up where V8 left off, while whether there will be a V10 at all remains uncertain at best) I was willing to cut Rooster Teeth/the CRWBY a break on V4 because of Oum's then-recent death and because they just changed to the new software, but after that...nah.

Anyway, if RWBY does get bought out and rebooted by Crunchyroll/Japan/whoever (because they decide the story as-is is too convoluted & screwed up for them to continue), I'd hope the new owner makes full use of the benefit of hindsight to avoid the same pitfalls that have plagued the current incarnation's story & characters. Keeping it a lighthearted & action-heavy slice-of-life/villain-of-the-week show would be lovely but if they insist on taking a darker turn toward a grander and more serious plot as V3 did, they should at least put that off for a much later season so they have more time to build up the characters, their relationships to one another and the world of Remnant (directly in story I mean, not with the World of Remnant side features) - even Harry Potter had 6/7 books take place in Hogwarts after all. A reboot would also mean a second chance at doing mangled storylines like the White Fang plot and getting it right this time.

Oh, and speaking of which - shipping is one thing, but pandering to insane shippers even at the cost of screwing up other characters & storylines must absolutely be avoided as well.

If they want to do a 'grand and serious', just give it to Urobutcher; I have no doubt he can do a 'dark RWBY' justice in a way RT never was able.

 

[Zachowon]

White Faunas amounting to nothing, Adam going from a competent, intimidating terrorist leader to being an angsty teenager hung up on Blake, Ironwood going from a generous good guy and reliable ally to a cartoon villain.

We saw Ironwood be like that kinda from the way he reacted in volume 3.

Personally V5 was my rock bottom, and that was also where I stopped watching RWBY - save for the occasional episode and Ice Queendom, I'd just read post-end-of-season summaries to determine whether any of it sounded good enough to spend more time on. It rarely was, and after I had a friend summarize V8 for me I was just left confused & wondering 'oh my God, how can they even continue the story after this?' (Seems RT doesn't know either, hence why V9 seems to be a total sidetrack into an Alice in Wonderland-themed dimension rather than trying to pick up where V8 left off, while whether there will be a V10 at all remains uncertain at best) I was willing to cut Rooster Teeth/the CRWBY a break on V4 because of Oum's then-recent death and because they just changed to the new software, but after that...nah.

Anyway, if RWBY does get bought out and rebooted by Crunchyroll/Japan/whoever (because they decide the story as-is is too convoluted & screwed up for them to continue), I'd hope the new owner makes full use of the benefit of hindsight to avoid the same pitfalls that have plagued the current incarnation's story & characters. Keeping it a lighthearted & action-heavy slice-of-life/villain-of-the-week show would be lovely but if they insist on taking a darker turn toward a grander and more serious plot as V3 did, they should at least put that off for a much later season so they have more time to build up the characters, their relationships to one another and the world of Remnant (directly in story I mean, not with the World of Remnant side features) - even Harry Potter had 6/7 books take place in Hogwarts after all. A reboot would also mean a second chance at doing mangled storylines like the White Fang plot and getting it right this time.

Oh, and speaking of which - shipping is one thing, but pandering to insane shippers even at the cost of screwing up other characters & storylines must absolutely be avoided as well.

I guess I was always in the minority that contuined to follow and enjoy.

Also, would they recast the American VAs or have the sane ones play them?

 

[Circle of Willis]

If they want to do a 'grand and serious', just give it to Urobutcher; I have no doubt he can do a 'dark RWBY' justice in a way RT never was able.

Funny you should mention him actually, Urobuchi also worked on Ice Queendom already.

I guess I was always in the minority that contuined to follow and enjoy.

Also, would they recast the American VAs or have the sane ones play them?

Well if you still like RWBY as is then that's fine, although I disagree I'm not here to tell you what you can or can't enjoy lol. But that would definitely seem to be a minority opinion based on what I've seen not only here, but pretty much every other forum on which RWBY is discussed (its main subreddit and the meme one being exceptions, but only because they've dogpiled/outright banned all criticism of RWBY & Rooster Teeth until very recently when RT's other controversies forced them to allow some criticism of the company & its products), for years.

I guess it depends on how long it takes to reboot RWBY, if it can get done quickly then I think they'd try to retain as much of the cast as they can for continuity's sake, if it takes like 10 years to get off the ground then obviously it's much more likely that they'd bring some up-and-coming whippersnappers on board instead. However if the reboot is being done by a Japanese studio (either directly or more likely, with Crunchyroll licensing) I believe they will certainly replace Blake's VA Arryn Zech at minimum, she tried to cancel Ice Queendom's head writer Tow Ubukata over years-old (and already legally resolved) allegations of domestic abuse before that show even came out - great move to score points on Twitter, but it's the sort of thing that will get your ass instantly blacklisted by the Japanese for obvious reasons.

 

[Zachowon]

Funny you should mention him actually, Urobuchi also worked on Ice Queendom already.

Well if you still like RWBY as is then that's fine, although I disagree I'm not here to tell you what you can or can't enjoy lol. But that would definitely seem to be a minority opinion based on what I've seen not only here, but pretty much every other forum on which RWBY is discussed (its main subreddit and the meme one being exceptions, but only because they've dogpiled/outright banned all criticism of RWBY & Rooster Teeth until very recently when RT's other controversies forced them to allow some criticism of the company & its products), for years.

I guess it depends on how long it takes to reboot RWBY, if it can get done quickly then I think they'd try to retain as much of the cast as they can for continuity's sake, if it takes like 10 years to get off the ground then obviously it's much more likely that they'd bring some up-and-coming whippersnappers on board instead. However if the reboot is being done by a Japanese studio (either directly or more likely, with Crunchyroll licensing) I believe they will certainly replace Blake's VA Arryn Zech at minimum, she tried to cancel Ice Queendom's head writer Tow Ubukata over years-old (and already legally resolved) allegations of domestic abuse before that show even came out - great move to score points on Twitter, but it's the sort of thing that will get your ass instantly blacklisted by the Japanese for obvious reasons.

Jen Brown might now want to recast as Pyrrha again.
Maybe for a reboot, but from her own words when I talked to her. She said she won't play a live Pyrrhabunless she was basically grimified ir made bad for something.

I got to talk to some of the VAs a few years ago so unless they changed

 

[Terthna]

Funny you should mention him actually, Urobuchi also worked on Ice Queendom already.

Well if you still like RWBY as is then that's fine, although I disagree I'm not here to tell you what you can or can't enjoy lol. But that would definitely seem to be a minority opinion based on what I've seen not only here, but pretty much every other forum on which RWBY is discussed (its main subreddit and the meme one being exceptions, but only because they've dogpiled/outright banned all criticism of RWBY & Rooster Teeth until very recently when RT's other controversies forced them to allow some criticism of the company & its products), for years.

I guess it depends on how long it takes to reboot RWBY, if it can get done quickly then I think they'd try to retain as much of the cast as they can for continuity's sake, if it takes like 10 years to get off the ground then obviously it's much more likely that they'd bring some up-and-coming whippersnappers on board instead. However if the reboot is being done by a Japanese studio (either directly or more likely, with Crunchyroll licensing) I believe they will certainly replace Blake's VA Arryn Zech at minimum, she tried to cancel Ice Queendom's head writer Tow Ubukata over years-old (and already legally resolved) allegations of domestic abuse before that show even came out - great move to score points on Twitter, but it's the sort of thing that will get your ass instantly blacklisted by the Japanese for obvious reasons.

Honestly, I can't see much of the original cast coming back for a reboot after Rooster Teeth goes under; too many burned bridges.