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Why? Biden is their toy.Or...they do not need to parley with toys,becouse they could order them? that explain everything.
PsihoKekec
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It would still need to get certificated by the relevant authorities and they would never do that, just like the EU.
gral
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Eh, I trust the Russian vax as much as I do the Chinese one, which is not at all.
They stolen british vax,so it should be as fine as british is.Which mean not at all.
U.S. Warns Europe That Russia May Be Planning Ukraine Invasion
The U.S. is raising the alarm with European Union allies that Russia may be weighing a potential invasion of Ukraine as tensions flare between Moscow and the bloc over migrants and energy supplies.
www.bloomberg.com
PsihoKekec
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Is that third or fourth invasion hysteria this year?
Second.
I don't know of hysteria though.
The article mentions these have been covert and not overt like earlier in the year
There's no way to be sure that Russia is planning or will carry out a second invasion of Ukraine. The covert operations is alarming, but it might be Russia intentionally provoking this sort of response, both to get an idea of what assets are being watched (and perhaps how) and to ease Europe into a false sense of security. It might also grant Russia an idea of just how serious Europe is committed to protecting Ukraine. Another argument against it is that we're in November. Ignoring the difficulty of moving anything in Russia itself, Ukraine's average temperature midway through November is going to be a high of about 40 and a low of about 30. By December, it's going to be a high of 30 and a low of about 20. And it's going to stay that way until March. In 2014, the Russians began operations in late February of 2014. And we're not even touching on things like snowfall.
The only way Putin would invade Ukraine in November is for a handful of reasons. First, he might believe that his forces can seize their objectives before the end of November or December, perhaps hoping for a warmer early winter. That way, his forces can spend the winter fortifying before Europe has any real hope of aiding Ukraine. The counterpoint to this however, is that it would be really, really optimistic for Russia to think that this will work. The second reason is that the US and Europe are currently undergoing massive economic and social stresses. Can Biden survive declaring war on Russia? I doubt it. Worse, would the US even have assistance from Europe if it did?
Europe's gas comes from Russia. Nord 2 was completed a couple of months ago. So if the pipeline in Ukraine gets shut down or destroyed, the Russians can always pump gas through Nord 2. Northern Europe, for those of you who don't know, is situated further north than even the bulk of northern US states. It's more in line with Canada. It is going to get cold. Is France, Germany, the UK, and Poland going to be so intent on doing anything that might jeopardize heating during a global pandemic? Or otherwise put strain upon their population? And would the US, knowing this, risk going into battle alone against Russia?
And finally, Russia is also facing stress. And one good way of alleviating failing policies is with a victory. Any victory. And taking Ukraine could be seen as a way to boost morale within Russia itself. If that is the reasoning, then Russia can jerk Europe around until March without having to worry about much direct retaliation. And by that time, Russia could have fortified their position within Ukraine, so that any European power would think twice about retaking it.
So I'm of the persuasion that either is possible. Personally, I would not be surprised if Russia invaded soon. Fighting through snow and cold is shit, but so is fighting NATO. Best to do it while America is caught up in internal difficulties and Europe is addicted to Russian gas.
Oh trust me, we are discussing the same things from my end and for my job.
We feel like we know what they will do, but not what WE will do. The military will want to go to war, the government on the other hand
For my part, I don't think Biden will allow the military to engage in any meaningful activity. He might try to inflict some pain on the Russians, but that's about it. Prepare for US Military Withdrawal 2; Russian Boogaloo.
I don't know.
I honestly and up in the air. There is a mixture of things that may change.
I expect the military will want to go full bore. I just don't think Biden can stomach it. I don't think the American public can stomach it either. If Biden goes to war with Russia and American troops die, Trump will win 2024, hands down. Congress will fall too.
The things that are about to hit the US are bad Zachowon. This shipping crises? It won't end until AT LEAST mid 2023. On top of that, the Biden Admin is going to likely boycott the Olympic Games in China. China may decide that now is the time to cut off trade. Both for internal consumption (ie, America started it) and for outside reasons. And now we're facing a labor shortage as Boomers retire between now and 2023--on top of thousands working age Millennials leaving their jobs to start families or simply because they're fed up with said jobs.
Someone on this site mentioned that the Democrat victory in 2020 was a poisoned chalice and that's probably true. Going to war with Russia would be like chugging bleach.
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War is around the corner.
I feel we can't avoid it, and it is the only thing to do to save us honestly
We won't be going to war with Russia, no matter what they do in Ukraine.
At most some new sanctions are slapped on Russia, Western Europe tut-tuts while heating themselves with Russian gas, Eastern Europe starts looking to Warsaw more than Berlin and Brussels, and the world starts to make plans that do not rely on or involve the US, like they had for millennia before we were founded.
We are going into a multipolar world, and the US can either accept it and try to deal with the new reality, or we can continue to stick our heads in the sand and pretend we are still the sole hegemon of this globe and the fulcrum on which humanity rests.
At most some new sanctions are slapped on Russia, Western Europe tut-tuts while heating themselves with Russian gas, Eastern Europe starts looking to Warsaw more than Berlin and Brussels, and the world starts to make plans that do not rely on or involve the US, like they had for millennia before we were founded.
We are going into a multipolar world, and the US can either accept it and try to deal with the new reality, or we can continue to stick our heads in the sand and pretend we are still the sole hegemon of this globe and the fulcrum on which humanity rests.
War is coming. But I do not think we will participate against the Russians. Our focus will be on China. Russia doesn't have the strength left to challenge us as a superpower. China in theory, does, although they are not an actual superpower and are likely to never be. Right now though, that is where Biden's focus is going to be. Not Russia. Especially if we already guess that the Europeans aren't serious about going without Russian gas.
No, a multipolar world will not exist. no country that wants to rule will let it Bacle.
The next war WILL be a world war Sixth.
That is the thing, two many countries have lines drawn with others as allies. TO many are working closely with others.
Three areas are on the verge of war.
This new Ukraine Russia thing, it may or may not lead to war. We will see.
China and Taiwan.
Iran and Isreal.
Iran and Isreal is always going back and forth with small stuff.
I feel like there is no choice left but world war.
PsihoKekec
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And what would Russia gain from invasion? The territory they control now is settled by people who support Russia, adding more territory would add population that would not support Russia, which means guerrilla war which is something Russians try to avoid since the Second Chechen war. Worse, all added territories would be an economic basket case and the current Donbass territories are already big enough headache.
These are regular operations, it's just that media portrays them as extraordinary to create impression of imminent invasion, possibly due to foreign crisis inducing USA conservative to obediently fall in line with their government (albeit not as much as they used to).
If Putin was that stupid, he would have carried the invasion two months ago, before the Duma elections in order to improve elections results. Their current woes are nowhere as bad to warrant Falkland style idiocy.