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Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

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The West getting to field test and perfect their new military hardware against a near-peer opponent is a very good argument for supporting Ukraine from a terrible source (antiwar.com, really, are we supposed to be the hippies now?).
Why would anyone considering themselves a right winger want to cater to this electorate?

Yes, a baptism of fire for modern weapons and tactics is a quite often missed side benefit of western aid in Ukraine, that will pay dividends in future wars.
>provoking superpowers
I wish for a world where the "former and current superpowers" fear provoking the West as much as the author of that video claims to. Luckily the West's weapons getting perfected is a step in that direction.
>repeating fake "deal" with Soviet Union supposedly being broken
There was no deal, and if there was, fuck commies and Russian imperial revanchists equally, it should be broken, repeatedly, every year, just to teach them about "former Soviet Union" not being their personal fiefdom.

>ending the conflict
I love this weasel wording. It's funny that it is only used by people who want it to end in a certain way that they know is not easily defensible if mentioned specifically.
Reminder that Russia can end this conflict on a whim by ordering its armies out of Ukraine at any time.

Also reminder that this video represents a less... stereotypical part of public opinion on the matter, which as surprising amount of controversies, doesn't have 2 sides, but at least 4, sometimes creating great confusion and odd alliances between unusual factions domestic and international.
In regard to supporting Ukraine:
1. It's good for the West and that's a good thing - lots of less ideological libs, centrist establishment and some of conservative right, some far right factions with a more geopolitical outlook.
2. It's good for the West and that's a bad thing - this. Various odd left factions that are "anti war" in exactly the same sense that the hippies of Cold War were always "anti war", specifically against wars that western countries lead against communists and the allies, but obviously never against communists doing wars to extend or protect their power.
3. It's bad for the West and that's a good thing - many left-liberal globalist internationalists.
4. It's bad for the West and that's a bad thing - pro-Russian far right factions deluded about Putin being their friend or something.
Some really hilarious arguments can happen if 2 argue with 4 or 1 argue with 3. Meanwhile 1-2 and 3-4 arguments tend to just be tedious, stereotypical and cause a massive sense of deja vu.
 

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Oh yeah.
So things that arnt very high end.

They probably wish they had a HIMARS
They did a display of captured NATO weapons before last August in their Russian Arms Expo.

Also on display are the inferior 'war trophies' that Russia has obtained from its three day plus Special Military Operation in Russia which feature a rebuilt Bayraktar TB-2 Drone and a US Made and Russia destroyed (then reconstructed) M777 Howitzer.



Not seen however is the M142 HIMARS MLRS (much inferior to the BM-30 Smerch) that the Ukrainians apparently sold to the Russians. :unsure:
They displayed a Bayraktar Drone and an M777 Howitzer, both apparently reconstructed from captured bits and bobs or otherwise fabricated. There was also a Humvee!!!, a Saxon Armored Ambulance and assorted small arms. We will see if this new display will surpass the old presentation.

 

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There is so much noise the past few days on the Leopard tanks that I'm still not sure what it is going on. This seems to be a reasonable collation of what's the MBT situation is at the moment though.


Of course there are rumors of more tanks being discussed. Everything from the Leopard 1's that Rheinmentall allegedly has kept around somewhere to Swedish Leopard 2 variants, French LeClerc's or Italian Centauro Wheeled Tank Destroyers LMAO. No one is even sure how many Leopard 2 tanks Spain has and whether they've been kept up to NATO standard in storage or just the NATO standard in storage for spare parts pillaging. :p

Regardless though, it seems like Leopard 2 tanks will show up in Ukraine in the coming months.

The other report is Morocco sending Ukraine 20 T-72B's via the Czech Republic. Some said it was fake news, others said that the T-72B's were "stolen" from Morocco and given to Ukraine and others are stating that Morocco is just wanting to engage in deniability about the whole thing. What seems to be reported at the very least is that twenty Moroccan T-72B's were modernized by the Czechs and sent to Ukraine.


A Russian Collaborator, Valentina Mamai, was reportedly injured when her car exploded in the occupied port city of Berdyansk. She is currently in hospital.


And in happier news, Mariupol is being rebuilt!


 

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There is so much noise the past few days on the Leopard tanks that I'm still not sure what it is going on. This seems to be a reasonable collation of what's the MBT situation is at the moment though.

Looks like 2-3 tank battalions of Leopard 2 and 3-4 mechanized battalions of varied models.
If they put it in one unit, with some other stuff thrown in that's one hell of an armored assault division, even if high maintenance.
 

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So,169 tanks if they send it all.Including 30 Abrams.USA really do not want let Ukraine win.
 

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So,169 tanks if they send it all.Including 30 Abrams.USA really do not want let Ukraine win.
For now. That's the first shipment. There will be more. With the logistical demands of Abrams, that's particularly major.
Also past controversy apparently has cleared up in an interesting way:
 
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For now. That's the first shipment. There will be more. With the logistical demands of Abrams, that's particularly major.
Also past controversy apparently has cleared up in an interesting way:
So Poland went full IKEA mode, huh?

Anyway:
Overall, the air war in Ukraine seems to point to future air war being a mixture of First and Second World War experience. Heavy SAM presence has largely restricted air activity to the frontline, which itself is largely static thanks to preponderance of guided munitions and other threats making large-scale maneuvers on the open extremely risky.
Considering the above, what are the chances of Ukraine buying Gripen post-war?
 

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Series of posts on why the fighting around Vuhledar is important. Primarily I'm how it keeps Russian rail supply routes from Crimea under the possible threat of Ukrainian artillery.


Short thread on the Recent Russian Assaults in that area.


And Ukrainian Javelin Teams Apparently in Action Around that Area.


Wonder if they are Germans of Russian descent.
 
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