Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

Husky_Khan

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Biden Administration Briefing to Lawmakers Estimates 75,000 Russian Casualties.



More Details on the Ukranian Electric Truck Company Now Making All Terrain Buggies at $2000 a pop for the Ukranian military.



Twelve OMON Police Officers Including Allegedly one Lieutenant-Colonel, two Majors, a Captain and three Lieutenants Reportedly Killed Recently in the Newly Captured City of Lysychansk.





Meanwhile Across the River in Similarly Occupied Sverodonetesk.

 

Husky_Khan

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The first of many dozens of French VAB Armored Personnel Carriers that were pledged Have Arrived in Ukraine.



Russian Forces Allegedly Struck a Ukranian Bayraktar Relay Station with a Loitering Munition of Their Own.



Putin's United Russia Party have withdrawn some of their personnel at least from Kherson citing the destruction of the Bridge to the city hampering their "humanitarian" efforts.



Car With Two Collaborators Mysteriously Destroyed in the Kherson Area.



Another Russian Depot Struck Apparently.

 

WolfBear

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Zelensky isn't that important, if he dies the Ukrainians will continue fighting and he will just become a martyr.

And Israel will be extraordinarily pissed off that Russia has killed a fellow Jew, albeit one who has intermarried with the Ukrainian nation.
 

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Husky_Khan

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Developments on the Shelling of the POW Facility in Seperatist Held Territory that Reportedly Killed Dozens of Ukrainian Prisoners.

Looks like the Russians and Allies Suffered No Casualties As Reported So far.



Also the Red Cross Requests Access to the Site.



Tiny North Macedonia Sending Thirty or so Early Model T-72 Tanks to the War in Ukraine with some Apparently Already Arriving in Country.



Germany is Sending Ukraine Sixteen Armored Bridge Layers.



Poor and Unreliable Russian Proxies and Intelligence Assets Led to the Current Prolonged Conflict as Russia Assumed Ukraine was Extremely Weak and Convinced Putin and Others of this as Fact.

 

Husky_Khan

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Railway Bridge to Kherson Also Apparently Recently Damaged.



British Supplied M270 MLRS and a British FV103 Spartan AFV in Operation in Ukraine.



Fighting and Potential Minor Ukrainian Counter Offensives along the Izyum Axis of Advance in the Kharkiv Oblast in Eastern Ukraine.



Russians Allegedly Using S-300 Missiles in Kharkiv as Ground Attack Weapons. S-300 SAMs were Previously reported to be used against Mykolaiv in Southern Ukraine.



Russian Mines Left Behind in Wheat Fields Taking a Toll on the Ukranian Agricultural Sector.

 
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Husky_Khan

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President Zelensky Orders Civilian Evacuation of Donetsk Region.



Norway Donating 14 Iveco Armored Fighting Vehicles to Ukraine.



Russia Claims Ukraine Struck a Dam. Apparently the Target was EW Equipment Set Up on the Dam.



Soviet era Butterfly Anti Personnel Mines Allegedly Randomly Sprinkled over the Seperatist City of Donetsk. Russians Blame Ukraine. Ukraine claims false flag.



Twitter Thread Arguing the Strike on the Ukrainian POW Camp was perpetrated by the Russians.

 

Husky_Khan

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Russian Media Reports the Ukrainians used a Drone to Strike the Headquarters of the Black Seas Fleet in Sevastopol. Reportedly at least five were injured in the Strike. Navy Day events to take place there are cancelled.



Russia says it will allow the UN and Red Cross to the Site where the Ukrainian POWs were killed.



First Documented Loss of the Russian Leer Electronic Warfare System installed in a TIGR AFV.



Rest In Peace Olexii Vadatursky. His wife and he Reportedly died in a Russian Missile Strike that Targeted his Home in Mykolaiv Specifically.



 
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Husky_Khan

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Visually Documented Equipment Losses for Russia has now surpassed from five thousand pieces.



Explosion Reported at a Munitions Warehouse Owned by a Bulgarian Arms Business Allegedly Involved in Supplying Arms to Ukraine. The Owner Emilian Gebrev was previously a Victim of Novichok Poisoning back in 2015.



Another Warehouse In Russian Controlled Kherson in Southern Ukraine Going up in Flames.



Italy Preparing Another Military Aid Package For Ukraine.



More Alleged Victims of Russian Liberation Still Turning Up in Northern Ukraine like this Apparent Dragging Victim.

 

Husky_Khan

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The First Commercial Ships Leaving Odessa's Port Since February under the Grain Export Agreement Negotiated by Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and the United Nations.



European Union Financial Aid Package being Released for Ukraine.



The first of three German MARS-II MLRS (a M270 Variant) Have Arrived in Ukraine.



Ukrainian Troops Equipped with a Ukranian Built Anti-tank Drone Gun.



British Royal Navy to provide Ukraine a Couple of Mine Countermeasures Ships With Training of Ukrainian Sailors Already Taking Place.

 

LordsFire

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The concept of anti-drone guns has me wondering if we might see Gyrojet weapons make a comeback.

They're more expensive than regular guns, but one of the current issues is that drones can go thousands of feet up, much higher than small arms fire can reasonably be effective at. A 20-dollar gyrojet round fired from something like a Barret might be a feasible option for targeting higher-altitude drones.
 

Marduk

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The concept of anti-drone guns has me wondering if we might see Gyrojet weapons make a comeback.

They're more expensive than regular guns, but one of the current issues is that drones can go thousands of feet up, much higher than small arms fire can reasonably be effective at. A 20-dollar gyrojet round fired from something like a Barret might be a feasible option for targeting higher-altitude drones.
Nope, gyrojet has actually pretty crappy effective range even compared to a normal rifle. Also good luck hitting something as agile and small as a drone at a decent altitude even with a .50 cal rifle. You need to either spam lead into the air like a proper AA gun (even then the more decent drones just hang outside of their effective engagement altitude), or make the round so big and also guided to not waste truckloads of them that we already have a term for that - ground to air missile (it better have good guidance to lock on it), or some special toys with their tricks and limitations like the mentioned jammer guns, or high powered lasers.
 

LordsFire

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Nope, gyrojet has actually pretty crappy effective range even compared to a normal rifle. Also good luck hitting something as agile and small as a drone at a decent altitude even with a .50 cal rifle. You need to either spam lead into the air like a proper AA gun (even then the more decent drones just hang outside of their effective engagement altitude), or make the round so big and also guided to not waste truckloads of them that we already have a term for that - ground to air missile (it better have good guidance to lock on it), or some special toys with their tricks and limitations like the mentioned jammer guns, or high powered lasers.

IIRC, Gyrojet testing was centered around intermediate cartridges for Assault Rifles, not larger things.

I suppose what's in my head would probably be more like 100$ than 20$, since it'd be functionally a homing micro-missile, designed to home on either a lased target or a drone's transmission. Like I said, not sure if it's actually feasible or not.

If it is feasible, it'd still be cheaper than the drones themselves are.
 

Marduk

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IIRC, Gyrojet testing was centered around intermediate cartridges for Assault Rifles, not larger things.

I suppose what's in my head would probably be more like 100$ than 20$, since it'd be functionally a homing micro-missile, designed to home on either a lased target or a drone's transmission. Like I said, not sure if it's actually feasible or not.

If it is feasible, it'd still be cheaper than the drones themselves are.
You're not getting a homing anything in 100$ range.
Something like that already exists, except in 40mm GL compatible variant.
Laser guided, compact, still nowhere near the range you need to use against the peskier drones, both for guidance and the munition itself.
It has an effective range of 400m, and needs the operator to lase the target by hand, which may be an issue with a moving drone 5km away, so probably need a beefier launcher that can have a computer do that too.
And the missile needs a seeker to see the dot from 5-10 km.
The Pike manufacturer (Raytheon) has not made public the cost of each round but given the cost of other small laser-guided missiles (like the 70mm APKWS) each Pike probably costs at least $3,000 and probably two or three times that. It could be useful for special operations troops but for most infantry, there are plenty of other guided munitions available, many of them cheaper and more destructive than Pike.
For anti drone use, you need to essentially upscale the system to MANPADS size again.
And here you go, modern, laser guided MANPADS exists.
It has just about the right stats for fighting medium drones, with ~7km ceiling and range.
It's used in Ukraine and reported to be very good at that.
The only extra thing that could be done here is to switch out the engine a bit for longer range and lower speeds, but then again, the engine itself is not the deciding factor behind the price of such weapons. It's the guidance kit.
The price of older MANPADS is in mid 5 figures, this is probably similar. This puts it in high 5 figures per missile. Even if you cut the cost to low 5 figures with various unnecessary performance spec cuts, getting it down to subsonic targets only, that's still a very expensive weapon.
 

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