Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

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Russian Intelligence Ship Ivan Kuhrs was apparently seriously damaged in a recent Ukrainian Storm Shadow Cruise Missile or Neptune anti ship missile strike and sporting a hole in the stern area of the vessel and currently docked beside another ship for alleged support.

It is one of only two intelligence ships of it's class and the only one in the Black Seas Fleet.



Another large amphibious warship was also likely damaged in the strike. The Kostyantyn Olshansky which was a Ukrainian landing ships seized by the Russians when they captured all of Crimea back in 2014 and been in Russian control since then.



Turns out all three Bergepanzer 3 Armored Recovery Vehicles sent to Ukraine by Germany and Canada have been reported as destroyed.



Another rarely seen vehicle destroyed in Ukraine, the Ladoga Protected Command Vehicle, designed to move around senior officers even in battlefields and areas laden with radiation such as when they were utilized in the Chernobyl meltdown.



France to send Ukraine 78 Caesar Self Propelled Guns in the near future?

 
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Buba

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Mortar shells are much easier to make than howitzer or cannon shells. (Much) Lower working pressures.
But I suspect that what the gentleman is holding is NOT a mortar shell, but a howitzer shell. Dumb lazy fuck journos and/or machine translation.
One - it does NOT look like one. The shape is wrong, and those bands are IMO too far back, suggestive of being driving and not obduration bands.
Two - in Russian (like in German) mortar (mortira/moerser) can be used for howitzer (retaining oldest meaning of mortar, i.e. a special form of howitzer) . What is commonly called a mortar in other languages is "minethrower" (minamiot). Ukrainian could be same.
But I could be wrong and he actualy is holding a shell for a 12cm or so fancy mortar :p
 
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Marduk

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Mortar shells are much easier to make than howitzer or cannon shells. (Much) Lower working pressures.
But I suspect that what the gentleman is holding is NOT a mortar shell, but a howitzer shell. Dumb lazy fuck journos and/or machine translation.
One - it does NOT look like one. The shape is wrong, and those bands are IMO too far back, suggestive of being driving and not obduration bands.
Two - in Russian (like in German) mortar (mortira/moerser) can be used for howitzer (retaining oldest meaning of mortar, i.e. a special form of howitzer) . What is commonly called a mortar in other languages is "minethrower" (minamiot). Ukrainian could be same.
But I could be wrong and he actualy is holding a shell for a 12cm or so fancy mortar :p
Another article clears it up with a photo, may well be mortars:
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The bands may be for mounting the main body to the other part. Or not, more likely it's obturation bands. Makes more sense when you compare to a finished 120mm round and realize he's holding the main body upside down:
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Buba

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@Marduk - I think that these are different items.
AFAIK as I know the second set shows mortar shells - besides the stablising fins the shape of the body is IMO evidently different.
 

Marduk

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@Marduk - I think that these are different items.
AFAIK as I know the second set shows mortar shells - besides the stablising fins the shape of the body is IMO evidently different.
Different models, but look at the shell he's holding upside down, especially the part covered by his hand. The tail part with fins is separate as you see on other pics and goes into the end he's pointing upwards.
 

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