Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

[Bacle]

This is why they claim he is a Russian puppet.
He is eating Russian talking points and honestly think Russia will help with Iran.

@Bacle I dont think he will ever give the green light to the secondary sanctions

Unfortunately, Russia/Putin's cooperation is needed on Iran, if Trump wants a deal with Iran instead of removing the nuclear program whole sale via airstrikes.

And remember, that two week window is still in effect, so Trump is still giving Putin time to change his rhetoric, before Congress passes the sanctions into effect.

If Putin doesn't want to deal honestly about Ukraine, it will hurt Russia, even if there is still dialogue about Iran.

Also, the same people who usually call Trump a Russian puppet were doing so long before he was reelected, so there is no pleasing them or convincing said TDS sufferers, just mocking them for their TDS.

 

[Bacle]

Article:

This may be difficult to accept, but when I first raised concerns about Ukraine's offensive operations in the Kursk region, I correctly anticipated that it could ultimately lead to Russian forces retaking Kursk and then advancing gradually into Sumy Oblast, and eventually toward Dnipro.

In hindsight, the offensive has proven far more costly than a limited incursion or a strategic defense would have been. A short-term operation, lasting two to four weeks, aimed at creating a modest buffer zone inside Kursk might have preserved resources. Instead, the campaign has resulted in significantly higher losses in both personnel and equipment.

As of May 2025, Ukraine had lost 994 confirmed vehicles in Kursk Oblast, compared with 791 on the Russian side. To put that in perspective, on the Avdiivka–Pokrovsk front, Ukrainian losses stood at 679 vehicles versus 2,352 for Russia.

With Western military aid dwindling- U.S. support reduced for political reasons and Europe unable to supply adequate materiel, and Ukrainian forces struggling to replenish personnel, the scale of losses sustained in Kursk is nothing but a serious operational-strategic misjudgment at the senior level.

As I have pointed from the outset, Russia was ultimately able to concentrate sufficient forces to retake Kursk without significantly weakening its positions in Pokrovsk. Only very limited Russian units were redeployed from the Pokrovsk direction, while Ukraine shifted tens of thousands of troops, leaving that front undermanned and accelerating Russia's gains there.

Unless the loss ratio begins to shift decisively in Ukraine's favor, Russian forces are likely to continue advancing, both into Sumy Oblast and, gradually, toward Dnipro. Yet the Ukrainian military and political leadership at times appears more focused on performative media operations than on articulating a long-term strategic vision for the battlefield beyond few months

Seems the Kursk operation soaked up a lot more personnel and equipment that UA could afford to lose for such small 'gains', and that the result is the situation near Sumy is getting more tenuous by the day.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Unfortunately, Russia/Putin's cooperation is needed on Iran, if Trump wants a deal with Iran instead of removing the nuclear program whole sale via airstrikes.

Eh, depends on what is meant by "cooperation". If Russia is actively blocking certain avenues that could be used to pressure Iran, getting them to stop those efforts might be enough without needing Russia to lift a finger actually helping.

 

[Bacle]

Eh, depends on what is meant by "cooperation". If Russia is actively blocking certain avenues that could be used to pressure Iran, getting them to stop those efforts might be enough without needing Russia to lift a finger actually helping.

The details around the talks with Iran have mostly been kept hushed, though it seems like Trump is open to allowing Iran a civie nuke program, so long as no enrichment takes place.

Unfortunately, getting such a deal in place will require Russia/Putin to play ball on it, and preventing Iran getting nukes is a bigger concern right now than Ukraine's struggle to survive, because Iran getting nukes is more potentially destabilizing and immediately dangerous to US allies, compared to UA getting even more ground down.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean Isreal seems to think Iran has the capability to build nukes already or close enough

 

[Bacle]

Turns out that some people in NATO leadership know it's more important to listen to Trump than to listen to media echo chambers.

So anyone who thinks Trump is a Russian asset or Russian simp should just shut the fuck up.

 

[Zachowon]

Turns out that some people in NATO leadership know it's more important to listen to Trump than to listen to media echo chambers.

So anyone who thinks Trump is a Russian asset or Russian simp should just shut the fuck up.

I mean...I agree with the spending increase, but the current admin has made zero effort in being hard on Putin.
Thiugh the two weeks is nearing up and I'm hope your right and I'm wrong

 

[Captain X]

So anyone who thinks Trump is a Russian asset or Russian simp should just shut the fuck up.

I will when both he and JD Vance stop saying and doing shit that makes me think they believe Russian propaganda.

 

[Zachowon]

And our DNI is siding with Putin.

 

[Marduk]

Unfortunately, Russia/Putin's cooperation is needed on Iran, if Trump wants a deal with Iran instead of removing the nuclear program whole sale via airstrikes.

If wishes were horses...
He's not gonna get it, and he has to live with it. At best. At worst he will get Russia double dipping and fake cooperation while also cooperating with Iran hiding their nuclear program and getting the benefits of both. This is the Russian way. It's about fucking time to cast off such forced naivety and call a spade a spade.

And remember, that two week window is still in effect, so Trump is still giving Putin time to change his rhetoric, before Congress passes the sanctions into effect.

Which two weeks is that again?

If Putin doesn't want to deal honestly about Ukraine, it will hurt Russia, even if there is still dialogue about Iran.

If Putin was going to change his mind about the war due to worrying about sanctions hurting Russia, we would not be talking about a war to begin with.

The details around the talks with Iran have mostly been kept hushed, though it seems like Trump is open to allowing Iran a civie nuke program, so long as no enrichment takes place.

Unfortunately, getting such a deal in place will require Russia/Putin to play ball on it, and preventing Iran getting nukes is a bigger concern right now than Ukraine's struggle to survive, because Iran getting nukes is more potentially destabilizing and immediately dangerous to US allies, compared to UA getting even more ground down.

Getting a deal is the easy part. Enforcing the deal is the hard part. We both know damn well Iran is not going to ok regular inspection of its shady military and IRGC facilities nor cancel its islamic revolutionary ambitions in the region no matter what the deal says. Self-delusion on the matter is not in the interest of anyone except Russia or Iran, but some people apparently drank the hope and change koolaid and think a deal on "trust me bro" basis is fine as long as the right president signs it now.

 

[Bacle]

And our DNI is siding with Putin.

No, I fully believe that there are elites in the US who very much have made plans around using nuclear war to decimate the plebs, so said elites get to control the rebuilding of the nation afterwards.

We may not have Vault Tec in real life, but there are definitely people who think like Vault Tec and would approve of using nuclear war to 'clean out' the riff-raff.

The fact you think the ODNI outing this is 'siding with Putin' shows how incredibly naive you are, and shows why you should find another job.

Edit: You seemingly cannot stop putting words in people's mouths, and you are doing it again with what you are claiming about Gabbard.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

No, I fully believe that there are elites in the US who very much have made plans around using nuclear war to decimate the plebs, so said elites get to control the rebuilding of the nation afterwards.

Those people don’t really exist. Even among the circles of the wealthy and the powerful, the “Caligula” is always a rarity and scares even the most hardened technocrat.

 

[Zachowon]

No, I fully believe that there are elites in the US who very much have made plans around using nuclear war to decimate the plebs, so said elites get to control the rebuilding of the nation afterwards.

We may not have Vault Tec in real life, but there are definitely people who think like Vault Tec and would approve of using nuclear war to 'clean out' the riff-raff.

The fact you think the ODNI outing this is 'siding with Putin' shows how incredibly naive you are, and shows why you should find another job.

Edit: You seemingly cannot stop putting words in people's mouths, and you are doing it again with what you are claiming about Gabbard.

If the elites wanted nuclear war with phtin we would have had it by now via Ukraine

 

[Bacle]

Those people don’t really exist. Even among the circles of the wealthy and the powerful, the “Caligula” is always a rarity and scares even the most hardened technocrat.

Yes, yes they do, and not dealing with that fact is part of why people do not understand the mindset of many of the elite in power.

They can afford nuclear shelters, plebs cannot, and these types already see the common man as something to be controlled by elite or replaced with robots.

If the elites wanted nuclear war with phtin we would have had it by now via Ukraine

Some elites, not all, and Trump is one of the elite who doesn't want nuclear war to clean out the plebs.

Insulting and putting words in the mouth of one of your bosses, because she isn't a frothing at the mouth warmonger, and remembers the lies used to sell the US public on invading Iraq, as well as is very aware of what nuclear war could result in, shows why you should no longer be trusted in an intel position in the US armed forces.

 

[Zachowon]

Yes, yes they do, and not dealing with that fact is part of why people do not understand the mindset of many of the elite in power.

They can afford nuclear shelters, plebs cannot, and these types already see the common man as something to be controlled by elite or replaced with robots.

Some elites, not all, and Trump is one of the elite who doesn't want nuclear war to clean out the plebs.

Insulting and putting words in the mouth of one of your bosses, because she isn't a frothing at the mouth warmonger, and remembers the lies used to sell the US public on invading Iraq, as well as is very aware of what nuclear war could result in, shows why you should no longer be trusted in an intel position in the US armed forces.

Hegseth is more my boss the DNI would ever be just due to how my chain works.

And from what I can tell she condemns Nagasaki and Hiroshima and says they are unnecessary.

And again, she is parroting EXACTLY WHAT PUTIN HAS BEEN SAYING since 2014....hell 08.
You know the two times we didn't do anything specifically because we were afraid of being nuked?

What elites want nukes to fly? Only two countries want to put troops on ground and that is the UK and France.

 

[Bacle]

Hegseth is more my boss the DNI would ever be just due to how my chain works.

And from what I can tell she condemns Nagasaki and Hiroshima and says they are unnecessary.

She's talking about those cities as examples of what would happen to our cities, in the event of a nuclear war.

Again, your bias against her is making you put words and implications in her mouth.

And again, she is parroting EXACTLY WHAT PUTIN HAS BEEN SAYING since 2014....hell 08.

I don't remember the last time Putin visited Nagasaki or Hiroshima and talked to survivors of the US nuclear strikes; context matters.

But then again, you consider anyone not trying to drive the US towards war with Russia to be 'parroting Putin'.

You know the two times we didn't do anything specifically because we were afraid of being nuked?

Yes, Korea and the Russian invasion of Georgia, are my guesses.

And guess what, most people don't want nukes to fly, and that isn't just people 'repeating a Putin talking point'.

Then again, you long ago outed yourself as wanting to get the US into a war, any war, to justify the Army budget and to 'unite' the US in a wartime footing.

What elites want nukes to fly? Only two countries want to put troops on ground and that is the UK and France.

Well, Bill Gates would be one, same with those under the control/friends with Soros, plus I expect multiple Dem politicians like Pelosi. A lot of the same people who pushed the Wu Flu shit for depopulation purposes would be fine with using nuclear war for the same reasons.

I remember when the Dems were caught floating the idea of sourcing expeditionary forces 'for the next war' mostly from red states, to reduce their voting power; the Dems understand that removing 'enemy populations', even from within the US, is a good way to take and hold power over the survivors in the long run.

 

[mrttao]

And our DNI is siding with Putin.

never forget that zach himself wants nuclear war with russia. so that we can "win". thinks losing a few cities are acceptable losses. and defends the whole thing with "smart strategy".

The only difference between him and those WEF types is that he wants nuclear war with russia to "win" and they want it to reduce the plebs to manageable amounts.

... where did the search button go to? I wanted to quote exact posts but I can't use search

 

[Bacle]

This is a very pro-UA source saying this, so anyone who claims this is someone being defeatist or a Russian simp is making a fool of themselves.

 

[Marduk]

Putin's regime facing 'collapse' as nationalist critic slams Kremlin over war

In his latest post to his X social media account, Girkin warned the Russian leader that his time was running out.

www.express.co.uk

This is an extremely pro-RU source who personally had a role in starting the conflict rather than some blogger, so anyone who claims this is optimistic or Ukraine simping is making a fool of themselves....

 

[Bacle]

Putin's regime facing 'collapse' as nationalist critic slams Kremlin over war

In his latest post to his X social media account, Girkin warned the Russian leader that his time was running out.

www.express.co.uk

This is an extremely pro-RU source who personally had a role in starting the conflict rather than some blogger, so anyone who claims this is optimistic or Ukraine simping is making a fool of themselves....

Tatarigami laid out the most realistic scenario; both sides lose.

Which very much seems realistic, given the state of both Ukraine and Russia; it's now a race to see who loses 'less'.