Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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mrttao

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Putin wants to drain the non-Russian minorities of as much manpower as possible to preserve ethnic Russian superiority, as many of the ethnic republics were outbreeding the Moscovites and Petersburgers. Using the ethnic minorites as fodder for the invasion of Ukraine removes that demographic advantage in the most useful way possible.
It is horrifyingly clever really.
Putin is enacting an ethnic cleansing of Russia... via conscription into meatgrinder.

And all the western nations are both complicit, and also actively cheering for it.
Only they call it "killing Russians" instead of "killing putin's undesirables for them"
 

Zachowon

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Look at the casualty estimates i posted up earlier in the thread.
I am asking for the source.
Because I can assure you.
Until this war is ovwr the casualty figures will be much higher then they really are.
especially if one is the Russian figures made by Russia.
in which case the number woll be higher
Kharkiv region will come first i think. I am not going to take any bets, because i cant predict.
I highly doubt that.
They barley managed to prevent the Ukrainians for taking it.
I would honestly think Dnipro is next so they can finish taking Donbass and at least meet that objective personally.
 

Megadeath

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What was the question?
How, if Russia has a sustained casualty INFLICTED rate of 10:1, with greater starting numbers, can their positions be considered untenable? As a further question, accepting that they retreated only from untenable positions, and given that they retreated from literally every axis of advance, must we conclude that Russia's entire position was untenable? How can that possibly be true, if they're inflicting 10 to 1 casualties? And further still, if they had greater numbers to start with, and had a wildly disproportionate advantage in exchange rates, why on earth did they go for an exceedingly unpopular and wildly under-resourced draft? Why did that have a strategic pause whilst waiting for the drafted soldiers?
 

ThatZenoGuy

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In my country, every major store has renamed "Chicken Kiev" to "Chicken Kyiv" and it's the most pathetic virtue signaling I have experienced in my life.
Yeah I'm sure Putin is completely DESTROYED by such a brave act. Yup.

Never mind the food is called "Kiev" in multiple languages around the globe, for over a hundred years.
 

ATP

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You can delude yourself all you like, but It took 8 years to build up the defenses in donbass, and due to the nature of donbass, its a highly defensible place. The lines they are building elsewhere will not be so dense, so heavy, so concentrated and so highly developed.

Ive been saying for months the russians main target in this point of the war is maximising their advantage in artillery to grind down the Ukrainian army. While you were all jubilant about very costly meme offensives into lightly occupied or evacuated regions like Kherson or Kharkov and fantasizing that this will lead to some grand advance in Crimea, Russia has been grinding the Ukrainians down in the real center of the fight..donbass.

Even the Ukrainians are starting to admit the lopsided nature of the casualties there.

Bakhmut will soon fall. The Ukrainians will be forced back to the fourth line, and there are 200,000+ fresh Russian reserves waiting for whatever conditions the russians have set to enter the fight.

Ukrainian defeat comes gradually, then suddenly. And it wouldnt have happened if the Americans and their British vassals had allowed their Ukrainian colony to negotiate peace last march.
Some soviet fan finally showed.Could you deliver stories about soviets fighting evil spirit,becouse cowardly nazis arleady run ?
I miss @Chiron for that.
Or any other current soviet propaganda.


P.S if you work for kgb,do not meet them alone.@Chiron could die that way.
 

ThatZenoGuy

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Some soviet fan finally showed.Could you deliver stories about soviets fighting evil spirit,becouse cowardly nazis arleady run ?
I miss @Chiron for that.
Or any other current soviet propaganda.


P.S if you work for kgb,do not meet them alone.@Chiron could die that way.
Question, if he was showing pro-Ukraine sentiment would he be working for the CIA? Just to ensure things are neutral and fair?
 

AnimalNoodles

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How, if Russia has a sustained casualty INFLICTED rate of 10:1, with greater starting numbers, can their positions be considered untenable? As a further question, accepting that they retreated only from untenable positions, and given that they retreated from literally every axis of advance, must we conclude that Russia's entire position was untenable? How can that possibly be true, if they're inflicting 10 to 1 casualties? And further still, if they had greater numbers to start with, and had a wildly disproportionate advantage in exchange rates, why on earth did they go for an exceedingly unpopular and wildly under-resourced draft? Why did that have a strategic pause whilst waiting for the drafted soldiers?

Its quite simple. Until recently Russia was considerably outnumbered.

In the late summer and fall, it was dramatically outnumbered. Ukraine had just completed reforming its army with mass conscription and weapon transfers, and Russias army had diminished from a large number of contract soldiers going home after their contracts ended.

As a result, Russia withdrew men from places that were secondary to their aims. This allowed Ukraine to surge in the kharkov, which was lightly garrisoned. Which prompted Russia to mobilise its reservists.

Russia didnt withdraw from Kherson due to casualties. The casualty rates were wildly in favour of Russia. They withdrew because Kherson was was becoming logistically untenable. The Ukrainians were placing constant pressure on it. It was too dependant on a vulnerable bridge and thus It was too difficult to keep supplied.

So they pulled out. This allowed Russia to shorten its line and move those units to Bakhmut.

As for why they waited? I dont know. I suspect Russia still hoped to negotiate, or some politics at play we dont know about.
 

Marduk

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Its quite simple. Until recently Russia was considerably outnumbered.

In the late summer and fall, it was dramatically outnumbered. Ukraine had just completed reforming its army with mass conscription and weapon transfers, and Russias army had diminished from a large number of contract soldiers going home after their contracts ended.

As a result, Russia withdrew men from places that were secondary to their aims. This allowed Ukraine to surge in the kharkov, which was lightly garrisoned. Which prompted Russia to mobilise its reservists.

Russia didnt withdraw from Kherson due to casualties. The casualty rates were wildly in favour of Russia. They withdrew because Kherson was was becoming logistically untenable. The Ukrainians were placing constant pressure on it. It was too dependant on a vulnerable bridge and thus It was too difficult to keep supplied.

So they pulled out. This allowed Russia to shorten its line and move those units to Bakhmut.

As for why they waited? I dont know. I suspect Russia still hoped to negotiate, or some politics at play we dont know about.
Why was it becoming "logistically untenable"? What happened to the high technology and artillery superiority that you talked about so that Ukrainians with their scraps of western tech could make it "logistically untenable"?
 

Husky_Khan

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Yeah, pathetic. Just like "freedom fries".

Meh... changing Kiev to Kyiv in a niche American chicken dish isn't as ridiculous to me as replacing the word French with Freedom IMHO. I'd find this about as traumatizing as respelling a Margherita Pizza or whatever for grammatical/geographical reasons. Which is to say not at all. 🤷‍♀️

Like the spelling change is so minor and its literally pronounced the same.
 

ThatZenoGuy

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Meh... changing Kiev to Kyiv in a niche American chicken dish isn't as ridiculous to me as replacing the word French with Freedom IMHO. I'd find this about as traumatizing as respelling a Margherita Pizza or whatever for grammatical/geographical reasons. Which is to say not at all. 🤷‍♀️
What about renaming oil to "Molecules of Freedom"?
 

AnimalNoodles

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Why was it becoming "logistically untenable"? What happened to the high technology and artillery superiority that you talked about so that Ukrainians with their scraps of western tech could make it "logistically untenable"?

Because it was linked only by one or two vulnerable bridges. The Russians were also concerned that the Ukrainians might find a way to destroy the local dam as well. If they were taken out, it would trap the Russians.
 

Marduk

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Because it was linked only by one or two vulnerable bridges. The Russians were also concerned that the Ukrainians might find a way to destroy the local dam as well. If they were taken out, it would trap the Russians.
Why were they vulnerable? Why would Russians with all the supposedly common and advanced tech and artillery superiority and world class air defense be unable to make it not so vulnerable, like it was in earlier months?
 
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